How do I get off the pay per letter system?

[fivetrout]

Hi, I'm new here and enjoy this site very much! My situation is: I've been writing a woman for 6 months at the agency "My Partner Forever". This is a $5 per letter site and our letter count has just reached 100! Of course the interpreter removes any contact information such as phone, address, or e-mail outside of their site. MPF is willing to sell personal contact info for a price but it’s likely to only contain physical mail address and phone number which is useless as this woman only speaks Russian and Italian and the snail mail….well! A visit to the Ukraine is out of the picture until mid summer next year but I want to send this woman photos and such so that she can indentify with things that I tell her. However, I did send flowers to her in hopes of receiving delivery conformation with contact info along with receiving the photos of the delivery… but that didn’t help.

Our correspondence has been amazing, and we have established great dialog and understanding…and both feel great about a future together.

So! How do I escape the agency’s control and tight grip on our correspondence?

[Daveman]

heya fivetrout




You can look for her on the Russian Facebook site (V something.. I flat can't remember what it is... but be prepared just in case you find 'her' and prepared for the possibility that she has no clue who you are...)


You can also search for her on singles.ru



It's a roll of the dice that you're actually speaking to the woman anyway... yep, there is a good chance that the woman in the photos with whom you think you are corresponding doesn't know you even exist.  She could be a member of the agency, yes. But, your letters are coming from a translator who may or may not be actually translating her letters..


Does that make sense?


My suggestion to you now is to bite the bullet and pay for her contact information. You've probably already invested a small fortune in this so go a little farther.  Hire an interpreter for a 3 way conversation via telephone (there are a number on this very forum who could help with that.


If it's her snail mail address, then you can send a single rose from OUTSIDE the agency (another floral service which you choose) and the message will contain your email address and a short message in Russian.


See what happens. 


and....   

[SANDRO43]

You can look for her on the Russian Facebook site (V something.. I flat can't remember what it is...

VK (V Kontakte: http://vk.com/index.php) ...married life damaged your memory banks ? 

[Globetrotter]

Daveman is right.  Look for her on other sites and other agencies she may be with.  Search freepersonals.ru.  He is also right that a snailmail address may be your only resort if you can't find her elsewhere.  Good Luck.

[Faux Pas]

Welcome to RWD fivetrout!


The best course of action is to not feed the monster but, too late for that now huh? As Dave said, she likely doesn't even know you exist and if she does, she doesn't know what you've been writing. If you want to pursue this one particular lady, buy her personal contact at once and contact her. Get her email and phone number. Trust me, she has both. Contact her and get away from using these agencies. If you need a translator there are a few here at the forum willing to help (for a fee I am sure) or there is a number of online translators now that are really good.


At this point you don't know her as much as you think you do. You know her picture and the words you attach to it. Life is short, too short to be sending emails to a woman at $5 bucks a pop for a trip that may or may not occur until next year. Honestly, it's a wonder you haven't bored her to death by now if she was reading your letters.


Keep in mind there are no special circumstances to this venture. You don't get a free pass on not visiting sooner rather than later because you are across the ocean. When you start communicating with a lady, be prepared to go visit her asap. If not, you'll be the last one arriving to the party that ended hours ago

[SANDRO43]

How do I get off the pay per letter system?

5Trout, you could also try submitting her agency photos to TinEye (http://tineye.com/) and see if she appears on some other, less costly agency site .

[OlgaH]

Personally I would never trust any agency or translator/interpreter that would go through my letters removing what they want or translating and interpreting  as they want. It smells bad to me.
6 months! and you haven't talked to her on the phone? Skype?

[Jumper]

Try finding her on vkontake, or mamba .ru..
but you'll likely have better luck on
 
 
http://odnoklassniki.ru/
 
a website for old school or university classmates,
that seems as popular, as vkontake or others.
 
 
Flower delivery dint work.
odd.
why?
 
Personally., with your possible visit not untill next summer..
 i wouldn't invest  your time and money  in a scenario you have no idea if it's legit or not.
 
So spend some time finding  out if it is, and if you meet too much resistence doing so,then  occums razor says it isn't ,and move on.
 
If she understands you're serious, and is truly interested, she'll find , or suggest a way to  for you to contact her in a  more direct manner.
 
I do have a question ?
You said you could purchase  her direct contact info?
snail mail and phone number.
 
It would certainly not be useless ,given your situation?
 
You could then call her directly
 (with a translater on the line that you hire, several members here offer that service at a fair fee)
 
you could send her translated letters snail mail. and even at
fed ex or DHL rates for quick delivery
, i would think learning the legitimacy of the situation a prudent investment ?
 
Considering the money and time already spent, much less the money and time you intend to spend if communicating through the agency untill next summer.

Granted it may only prove it isnt legit. (or that it is)
 
Yet, to carry on as you have, when you have questions ,seems the least desirable path.
 
The amount spent is how these places stay in business, and could fund a guys trip to someone he met in a more *normal* internet social site..?
 
 
 

[fivetrout]

Wow! good advice! Thanks all! Funny I thought, that she didn't mention the flowers...I had to bring it up! I did receive two photos of her with them though. I just asked her... if she thinks I should buy her contact information and what did it include. I think that's the best plan so far...and do as advised, to send copies (fedex) of all correspondence. She is a buyer and travels to Italy often, I can't imagine her without a computer or at least an e-mail account.
Thanks again!!

[OlgaH]

Funny I thought, that she didn't mention the flowers...I had to bring it up! I did receive two photos of her with them though.

She did not mention the flowers? I find it rather strange...  BTW photos with flowers could be done in advance...

The agency has a video call service on their website. Maybe you should try it. They say it will take 24 hours to verify her availability. But I would not pay in advance for call service if they ask.

[Jumper]

Wow! good advice! Thanks all! Funny I thought, that she didn't mention the flowers...I had to bring it up! I did receive two photos of her with them though. I just asked her... if she thinks I should buy her contact information and what did it include. I think that's the best plan so far...and do as advised, to send copies (fedex) of all correspondence. She is a buyer and travels to Italy often, I can't imagine her without a computer or at least an e-mail account.
Thanks again!!

 
The more detail, the more it sounds odd.
 
I can't imagine a women serious about you not mentioning getting the flowers, and a *thank you* for them.
 I can't imagine a women working at an agency (which is common) not thanking you for them either for that matter, as its bad for business.
 So i'm left thinking she dint get them ( the photo maybe one of many  file photos of her getting flowers)
 
 
I really doubt this is legit..but who knows.
 
If you want to invest more time to see ,why not..
 
 
 She is a buyer and travels to Italy often, then she has an email and a mobile phone, as well as internet access outside the agency.
(yet of course she is forbidden to contact you that way,they lose their cash cow)
 
Does she have your full name? and where you live?
Isd that possible thru the agency, (i'd certainly hope so)
 
Shouldn't be hard for her to find you elsewhere on the net if she so desires.(i've had RW find my phone number, and call)
 
Make it easy, a skype ID , or free ad on mamba.ru freepersonal.ru vkontake, etc..  for example?  with your name and city.
and it shouldn't be hard to hint to her where to find you thru the agency *filters*.
 
If she isnt interested enough to do so, you probably have a good answer , without going any further.
 
 
 
mypartnerforever has a facebook page afterall,(by the founders) 
so it would stand to reason your romantic interest could find you on facebook as well
 
 
i looked at the website itself,
they have a -
skype with *smokinghotkova#1234*  option.
 
Surprised you havnt spoken to her in skype..
or is that an option only included when you purchase her contact info?
 
(many such RW  dating sites have web chat, but its pay per minute,not skype based , so i found that a new twist ,hopefully an honest one)
 
 
 
good luck.
 
 
 
 

[OlgaH]

Try finding her on vkontake, or mamba .ru..
but you'll likely have better luck on
 
 
http://odnoklassniki.ru/
 
a website for old school or university classmates,
that seems as popular, as vkontake or others.
 
 

Better luck he will have knowing not only her first name but last too, and how to write it in Russian would be helpful. Also he needs to know for sure that information on her age, city, country, first and last name is real.

[ML]

There is a much shorter story here.  You have been had!!

Any gal who is really interested in you would have found a way to contact you outside the agency over the several months you have been writing.

You are simply corresponding with an interpreter who might even have a pair in his panties.

[SANDRO43]

She is a buyer and travels to Italy often

Fashion business? In that case, it probably means Milan - where I live . Tell her to contact me, and I'll get the real low-down from her .

[Misha]

Dave's advice is spot on. Search mamba (singles.ru) by the city and by her exact age and you should be able to find her if she is for real    Generally, and of course there will always be the rare exception, women who are really looking for a husband or at least a relationship will explore all options including local.

[viking]

There is a much shorter story here.  You have been had!!

Any gal who is really interested in you would have found a way to contact you outside the agency over the several months you have been writing.

You are simply corresponding with an interpreter who might even have a pair in his panties.

Most likely the situation here. I have never met a woman who would let this go on so long without taking it to another level. If she does go to Italy, she does have a cell phone and email. In your next letter, tell her that you have a nice profile on a different site ( which has YOUR email address) and ask her to visit it. If she does not contact you, move on. Actually I would have moved on months ago. But I wish you well.

[SANDRO43]

In your next letter, tell her that you have a nice profile on a different site (which has YOUR email address) and ask her to visit it.

Viking, if they don't let personal info through, that'll probably apply to ANY web address, too .

[BillyB]

Hi, I'm new here and enjoy this site very much! My situation is: I've been writing a woman for 6 months at the agency "My Partner Forever". This is a $5 per letter site and our letter count has just reached 100!
 
MPF is willing to sell personal contact
 

 
$500 and 6 months of your life devoted to one woman. Do not let your investment encourage you to make a bad decision. If something isn't right, walk away. Some guys will spend thousands just to visit and make sure the lady is real. Unfortunately your lady needs a translator and if things don't go smooth on a first date, she can dump you turning a bad situation into worse. For starters it's good that you want to verify she's real and really interested in you.
 
 
What is the cost to acquire contact info of phone and snail mail? Some sites hire RW to handle phone calls of their top ladies so talking to her is no guarantee if your lady gets lots of attention.
 
 
Most women won't waste a 100 letters of their time to a man who hasn't made any serious moves. I suspect you've been trading love letters with Ivan, the employee of the month. You're in too deep to let it go so I understand you want to pursue this safely.
 
 
Besides searching directly at FSU sites, you can use Google. I took the profile below to use as an example.
 
 
http://www.mypartnerforever.net/profile-mature-ukraine-brides-yuliya-from-poltava-ukraine-20745.asp
 
 
You can take a sentence or unique paragraph and google it. Make sure to use " " to google exact words in exact order. I googled "the Lord of my heart and my best friend" and included omitted results and it took me to various agencies including AnastasiaWeb/Date and HotRussianBrides which have bad reputations but are not affiliated with each other. My guess is the lady in the profile above didn't write her profile. The feeder agency to those bigger agencies did. There is a chance your lady didn't write her profile either.
 
 
I also googled (170 55 23 yuliya poltava dating) with no quotations. You can also replace the word dating with marriage. The numbers are her metric height, weight, and age. You can also search for her in pounds an inches. Lots of pages to search through but within the first few pages I found the woman at the same site.
 
 
If you find your woman at other sites that aren't pay to play, then name those sites here and some of us will let you know if those sites are safe to use.
 
 
 
 

[OlgaH]

Fashion business? In that case, it probably means Milan - where I live . Tell her to contact me, and I'll get the real low-down from her .

Sandro, if she is in a fashion business most likely she knows how to deal with the customs officers... I can not believe she can not figure out how to get round the agency 

[Olly]

There is a much shorter story here.  You have been had!!

Any gal who is really interested in you would have found a way to contact you outside the agency over the several months you have been writing.

You are simply corresponding with an interpreter who might even have a pair in his panties.

I absolutely agree! 6 months it is too much. if girl is interested she will find the way to see you to hear you. she is not speak english? it is not a problem, you can speak in Skype (copy - paste to http://www.translate.ru/)
But now you corresponding with an interpreter!

[Hammer2722]

Wow! good advice! Thanks all! Funny I thought, that she didn't mention the flowers...I had to bring it up! I did receive two photos of her with them though. I just asked her... if she thinks I should buy her contact information and what did it include. I think that's the best plan so far...and do as advised, to send copies (fedex) of all correspondence. She is a buyer and travels to Italy often, I can't imagine her without a computer or at least an e-mail account.
Thanks again!!

Fivetrout, come on man, you can't seriously believe that this woman is serious about a relationship. The simple fact that she did not acknowledge the flowers tells me they were never sent. Many of the pay-per-letter agencies hire women to pst profiles and just like Olga said, they will take photos of these ladies holdding flowers and candy, etc...
 
I've had plenty of experience with these types of agency scams dude. You need to just move on to a free dating site or the monthly pay sites that allow you to get e-mails and move the correspondence straight to Skype. Whats the point of buying her info? You may just be buying the interpretors phone number and since you won't be going over till next Summer, they'll be piling on the BS till just before you come and then all of a sudden, she is no longer available. 

[fivetrout]

Yup, it's all starting to sink in. To confirm this, I thought I would send her a message from one of the other sites that display her profile. A few questions that only she or the interpreter (haha) would know that were discussed. Yes I've already joined a free personal site freepersonals.ru. and are thinking of EM'S as they are so positively referred to here.

Thanks for your input on the subject!

[Daveman]

VK (V Kontakte: http://vk.com/index.php) ...married life damaged your memory banks ?

HAH! I just saw this... memory banks are intact, but my permission to access them has been curtailed!    Keep getting "Access Denied" or something similar.. 

Yup, it's all starting to sink in. To confirm this, I thought I would send her a message from one of the other sites that display her profile. A few questions that only she or the interpreter (haha) would know that were discussed. Yes I've already joined a free personal site freepersonals.ru. and are thinking of EM'S as they are so positively referred to here.

Thanks for your input on the subject!

Good for you 5T.   EM is probably the site where most men have met their spouse which is why it is the most recommended... so it's what they (I) know.. go with what you know, ya know?  BUT... BUT... Mamba could be a close second,  anyway, pay attention and marvel at the wisdom -- you'll have much better prostate health.. ack.. wrong thread... ah yes,here we go.. .. my wife was on both EM and Mamba.. all options open - Sooooooooo, if you see a woman you like while perusing EM, sure you can join, but why not check to see if she is also on singles.ru (mamba) *before* you pay to play?   


SO, see????  ... I could have saved about 0.0000675% of the cost of all this by avoiding that membership fee! heh.. only SLIGHTLY exaggerated..   


EM is great for trying to do a VO trip, but if you want to meet several, the logistics can be extremely difficult as the EM ladies are scattered everywhere and generally without large concentrations in the same place, so choices are limited for the same city Visit Many using EM exclusively.  Combining EM with Mamba and other free sites would be the way to use it unless you really want to do a VO trip. 


Dave

[fivetrout]

BillyB

Right on! I goggled a quote from her profile and found her on 10 PAGES, dozen of sites!! Almost all the sites are networked as the last log-in dates and times were identical. I sure hope she's getting a cut from all that traffic! hahaha

[Hammer2722]

BillyB

Right on! I goggled a quote from her profile and found her on 10 PAGES, dozen of sites!! Almost all the sites are networked as the last log-in dates and times were identical. I sure hope she's getting a cut from all that traffic! hahaha

Rest assured that she probably is.....