Russian/Ukraine "ladies" websites are a mirage?

[jackman]

I have been to Ukraine twice. I find that the dating websites are generally more scam than real ways to meet the women.  Scantily clad women are ridiculously displayed as potential "brides". What man in his right mind would think of someone displayed like this as a "bride"?  In reality, most of them have local boyfriends/pimps, and have no intention of ever leaving their homeland, and do not even look like their touched-up photos.
Why isn't there a normal membership site in Russia as in America/Canada like lavalife, match.com or eharmony?   why are there only these scam sites with so many strings attached?   In Canada, I have met 10s of girls off the internet by just a simple $ 60 membership to lavalife.com or match.com.  It seems I have to spend close to $100-200 just to meet one Russian "lady" who turns out to be a scam in the end anyway.  And as a punchline, why are they pretentiously referred to as "ladies" on these sites?   Back home we just call them girls or women. 

[Eduard]

Hi Jack,
off course there are dating sites that provide ways for FSU people to meet, date and marry each other. The only thing is that they are in Russian and to be successful on such site you should be able to speak Russian. Even though some of those sites now provide English interface, IMO it's really not enough to make a connection in most cases. Mamba network is one of these sites and between Mamba and a few others there are literally millions of single available FSU women. Not all of them will be interested in a foreign man but a percentage of them will. So in the beginning it's the numbers game, but when they do respond to you you will need some skills to make them interested and keep their interest.


Actually my whole business model is built on staying away from mail order bride agencies and help my clients find women on local Russian social networking sites instead.
In fact I just came back from Kiev 3 days ago where I went with my Canuck client who found his love on one of those sites and she happens to be from Moldova. You have pretty much unlimited options and almost no competition from other Western men on these sites so IMO it's the best way to go. My guys find their matches in a matter of 3 to 4 months on average using these sites and don't have to worry about being scammed or used. Check out Mamba and see what you think.

[Muzh]

Why isn't there a normal membership site in Russia as in America/Canada like lavalife, match.com or eharmony?   why are there only these scam sites with so many strings attached?   In Canada, I have met 10s of girls off the internet by just a simple $ 60 membership to lavalife.com or match.com.  It seems I have to spend close to $100-200 just to meet one Russian "lady" who turns out to be a scam in the end anyway.  And as a punchline, why are they pretentiously referred to as "ladies" on these sites?   Back home we just call them girls or women.

Jackman, with all due respect maybe you should stick to the locals. I'll explain.
 
Even before having set foot in the former Soyuz, you already have made an opinion of these women as scammers. From now on, all you'll see are scammers.
 
There are sites where you can contact Russian women directly like Vkontakte, Facebook and I'm pretty sure there are one or two more. Also, there are free sites where you will not see the models. But then again, what are you going to do when these ladies start to look exactly as the ones living next to you? Not to mention, how's your Russian?
 
If you haven't figure out yet that this is not a flame but more of an exhortation to open up your mind, then you are cooked.
 
Seriously.

[Eduard]

Also, there are free sites where you will not see the models.

in my experience you will see models as well. they are people too, and at times can be single and looking. But off course you will see a much more realistic representation of them percentage wise compared to mail order bride (MOB) sites.

But then again, what are you going to do when these ladies start to look exactly as the ones living next to you?

Surely not all FSU women are beautiful and like anywhere else there are plenty of average looking women and some unattractive ones as well. But IMO you will see a lot more beautiful and very attractive women in proportion to unattractive and average in places like Russia, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine. The difference is very striking as soon as you land in Borispol (Kiev) or Sheremetyevo (Moscow) airport. You really have to watch yourself and try not to injure your neck. But in a few days I usually do get used to the beautiful scenery there and don't pay as much attention to it UNTIL I come back and land in Atlanta. OMG what a difference!


Think about it this way: if you are dating 4s and 5s back home, you can date 6s and 7s in the FSU. Basically you can upgrade a couple of notches in both looks and age. Also FSU women are a lot more feminine than Western women on average therefor making them a lot more desirable in some men's eyes (I'm one of those men).
But you really must be careful and truly get to know the woman you are contemplating marrying. There are FSU women who will chew you up and spit you out and you won't even know what hit you. You must identify those and send them on their way before you get hurt.


You also must have realistic expectations in regard to age, looks, education and income level compatibility to find a successful match.
Hope this helps.
Ed

[Muzh]

Think about it this way: if you are dating 4s and 5s back home, you can date 6s and 7s in the FSU. Basically you can upgrade a couple of notches in both looks and age. Also FSU women are a lot more feminine than Western women on average therefor making them a lot more desirable in some men's eyes (I'm one of those men).

Ed, I'm not going to disagree with you but I'd like to clarify something. If you are dating 4s or 5s at home and then jump to a 7 because she is rushing to get out of there, how long before she becomes a 731 dame?
 
Between you and me, I have never dated anything below an "8" and you can choose to believe it or not. However, I will tell you that after my divorce from my ex, I refused to lower the bar just because, and I'm not referring to looks only. Finding a woman with the "looks" was the easy part.
 
When I met my now wife, she was as pretty as the women I dated. Her soul was what sold me.
 
So, if you are referring to 4s and 5s as a whole package (looks and inside) then yes, you can and should aim for something higher.

[Jumper]

Jackman-
If reviewing just the more prolific large websites,
i'd say you are generally accurate.
 
but there are thousands of smart , attractive ,single women in the FSU, that would have genuine interest in a good man.(regardless where he lived)
 
They do have websites like you refer to, and there are many other means of meeting them. Research things well.. 
 
 
 

[Eduard]

 
So, if you are referring to 4s and 5s as a whole package (looks and inside) then yes, you can and should aim for something higher.

yes, I usually refer to the whole package. Looks without soul mean nothing to me. So I guess we can agree to agree 

[Faux Pas]

From my observations only, one man's 4-5 is another man's 9-10. I mean, who dates or seeks out to date a 4-5? Many men have very low standards and only require that a woman be warm and breathing. I've know many men like this. The women they dated were usually 2-3s but in their eyes they were a 10.


I point that out to you Eduard to change your marketing jingle. Telling a man he dates 4-5s is pretty much a kick in the teeth FWIW

[Eduard]

From my observations only, one man's 4-5 is another man's 9-10. I mean, who dates or seeks out to date a 4-5? Many men have very low standards and only require that a woman be warm and breathing. I've know many men like this. The women they dated were usually 2-3s but in their eyes they were a 10.


I point that out to you Eduard to change your marketing jingle. Telling a man he dates 4-5s is pretty much a kick in the teeth FWIW

FP, I don't tell men who (the number) they date, they usually tell me that. Here I was simply trying to make a point that a WM can date/marry a couple of steps above of what he is used to at home, FP. But thanks anyway!

[jackman]

I see the salesmen alive and well even on this post.  At this point I have absolutely ZERO interest in someone charging me $50-100 or so just to sell me an email address or number of some girl in FSU, whether real or fake.
 
I was only asking if anyone knows a very large site in FSU that operates similarly to Match.com or eharmony in the US, where one just buys a membership for 3 months for about $100 and can communicate freely with a limitless number of real FEMALES (not the pretentious-sounding "ladies", which is a term probably borrowed from brothel/pimp lingo). 

Not interested in "agency", "marriage broker", "bride finder" or any of that BS.
So please save your sales pitch as I don't want to hear what number I am dating in US and what number I am dating in FSU.  If you can't answer the question as posted, please don't answer at all! 

[Vinnvinny]

Between you and me, I have never dated anything below an "8" and you can choose to believe it or not.

I wont go below a 9. I don't get too many dates and I remain single. 


Still got my pride though. 

[Eduard]

I wont go below a 9. I don't get too many dates and I remain single. 


Still got my pride though. 

I wouldn't expect anything less of you, Vinn! 

[OlgaH]

Why isn't there a normal membership site in Russia as in America/Canada like lavalife, match.com or eharmony? 

You can try free websites like freepersonals.ru and singles.ru

There is plenty of dating websites in Russia but you need to know Russian

for example:

http://www.edarling.ru/

http://vmireznakomstv.ru/

http://www.your-ideal.com/

http://www.24open.ru/

http://loveplanet.ru/

http://www.maybe.ru/

http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

[jackman]

thanks very much @ OlgaH

[ML]

Seems I already gave you this list in another thread, but I will repeat it here.


http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have other education, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modifiy it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Plan your trip and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will no longer have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

Olga, I am going to repeat your list here, so I will have it in one place when I need to refer to it again.

These are Russian language.

http://www.edarling.ru/
http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
http://www.your-ideal.com/
http://www.24open.ru/
http://loveplanet.ru/
http://www.maybe.ru/
http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

[BillyB]

In Canada, I have met 10s of girls off the internet by just a simple $ 60 membership to lavalife.com or match.com. It seems I have to spend close to $100-200 just to meet one Russian "lady" who turns out to be a scam in the end anyway.

 


Jackman, based off the few posts I've read of yours, it seems you had a very bad experience in the RW business. If you are successful dating in Canada, why spend the money to date internationally? I suspect the women you're dating in Canada are lacking something desirable so you looked elsewhere. I find Eastern European women better looking than their Western sisters. It's possible to find a sincere good looking RW in the FSU that isn't associated with scam. Use better sites and get rid of the negative attitude if you want to be successful.

[jackman]

If you are successful dating in Canada, why spend the money to date internationally? I suspect the women you're dating in Canada are lacking something desirable so you looked elsewhere. I find Eastern European women better looking than their Western sisters. It's possible to find a sincere good looking RW in the FSU that isn't associated with scam. Use better sites and get rid of the negative attitude if you want to be successful.

My reason for venturing out into the FSU realm of females was a couple of friends that encouraged me to do so.  I am a successful tall male in my 30s.  I don't have a problem meeting women in Canada where I currently live.  I don't particularly find that FSU women are better looking than Canadian or American women. I think the issue is more that Canadian/American women generally don't dress/groom nicely unless their job requires them to. When going on dates, they dress in jeans and t-shirts for the most part.  They also act less feminine than Eastern women.   Finally the biggest issue I have with Western dating is that most women in US and Canada don't want to date a man if he is more than 5 years older than them.   I find this really ridiculous because when I was in my 20s and even early 30s I felt I was rather immature for a serious relationship. I was also not as successful and thus very busy in university and working up the ladder.  Now that I have finally achieved some degree of success, by the feminist standard of the West, I am supposed to date women 35 years and above.  It is quite normal and in fact desired by women in most of the world's countries (not just the FSU) and even in places like Italy and France, for women to date men 15 years older than them ---such as a 40 year old dating a 25 year old woman.....however this seems to have become an anomaly and strongly frowned up in American/Canadian culture.   This is the biggest sticking point I think for many Western men who want to rebel against the feminist rules imposed on them in the North American continent in the last quarter century.

[ML]

.  It is quite normal and in fact desired by women in most of the world's countries (not just the FSU) and even in places like Italy and France, for women to date men 15 years older than them . . .

Not according to most of the females who post here; especially regarding the word 'desired.'

[Eduard]

Not according to most of the females who post here; especially regarding the word 'desired.'

I agree. According to RW's profiles (I go through thousands of them on a regular basis) on local Russian social networking sites the "desired" age of a man is usually stated within 0 to 7 years difference of a woman's age. Less often it is up to 10 years and a lot more rare 15 years. Off course I'm talking about the women seeking relationship and marriage. Sponsor seekers and hookers put wider age gaps in their profile.

[Olly]

I think 10 years of difference is normal. Im 36 yo (in 1 month will turn 37) and i need a man from 40 to 50 yo cos i want to find a stable and serious person for relationship and marriage. And I know that Western and European men are healthy and looks good in their 50. 

[Eduard]

I think 10 years of difference is normal. Im 36 yo (in 1 month will turn 37) and i need a man from 40 to 50 yo cos i want to find a stable and serious person for relationship and marriage. And I know that Western and European men are healthy and looks good in their 50. 

See, you know that, and you are looking for a WM. I'm speaking of most FSU women who are not looking for a WM rather a local RM. Quite a few women in the FSU believe that a man over 45 is pretty much an old man who can't perform sexually any longer. When I go to the FSU with my clients in their late 40s and 50s, women are usually surprised how young and healthy they (WM) are for their age.

[ML]

And I know that Western and European men are healthy and looks good in their 50. 

Looking good is OK, but the health part should be even more important to you.

Review some mortality tables and you will see that WM are expected to live some 10-20 years longer than FSU men.

And, in reference to Eduard's comments, I have heard some anecdotal comments that impotence problems are quite wide spread in FSU, and at much earlier ages than in the west.  Probably due to drinking and other poor health issues.  Maybe someone has some research statistics on this.

[OlgaH]

Not according to most of the females who post here; especially regarding the word 'desired.'

There is always an exception, but in general by my observation the young women about 20s and in their early 20s outside MOB prefer partners of the same age or 5-7 years age difference. Women in their 30s are more acceptable of larger age gap but still 20 year age gap would be rare.

And I know that Western and European men are healthy and looks good in their 50. 

For example I met more men in their 50s looking good and healthy in West Palm Beach than in our county where it takes 10 men to have a full set of teeth  plus obesity is also a problem.

And, in reference to Eduard's comments, I have heard some anecdotal comments that impotence problems are quite wide spread in FSU, and at much earlier ages than in the west.  Probably due to drinking and other poor health issues.  Maybe someone has some research statistics on this.

But still the US TV abounds in "bone" pills commercials. 

Here is some information from Minnesota Men's Health Center
http://www.mmhc-online.com/articles/impotency.html

[Muzh]

But still the US TV abounds in "bone" pills commercials. 

Here is some information from Minnesota Men's Health Center
http://www.mmhc-online.com/articles/impotency.html

 


Stop it, you're killing me.

[ML]

But still the US TV abounds in "bone" pills commercials. 

Yes, but this is an ad crazy country.

The proportion of commercials does not adequately reflect the proportion of persons with any given malady across countries.

I don't know of any cross sectional studies of this across countries.

As I mentioned, I have only heard anecdotal comments from FSU women.

However, I think it is well established that ED is closely associated with drinking problems and a person's general state of health.

Thus, the hypothesis that a higher percentage of FSU men experience ED compared to WM for any given age seems to have some foundation.

Someone who knows how to set up the surveys here can help solve this question.

All the men here could tell of their ED problems (of course we would all be honest) and the women here could ask their mother's about their father's ED situation.