Is this Normal? (Greetings from Lugansk)

[Revan7576]

Hey guys, I haven't posted on this board in a long time but I need advice. I am currently In Lugansk, Ukraine right now. I just got off a date with 1 of 2 women I came here to see (the other lives in Kherson). I have been in contact with this girl for about close to 3 months and she seems to be great (seems very intellectual, Classy, looks great, cooks, seems to be very family oriented, and dedicated to learning (she has to take the train 3 hrs to and from University)). She said on her profile that she knew intermediate English, and just in case I brought my phone with google translate in case we ran into any problems. Well, when I went down to the lobby of my hotel to meet her she had a translator with her and the translator said she knew no english. Is this normal? I faintly remember hearing this happen to some guys but I have not been on this forum in a while. I guess I wouldn't have mind it as much because I thought the translator was pretty good at her job but at the same time I think she is kind of pricey (for about an hr and half was 15 dollars). I should mention that I did meet the lady on Anastasia. I know that some have said that Anastasia likes to get itself in between the potential partners as much as possible to squeeze as much money as possible. So, what are your guys opinions about this situation? Is it normal for the woman to hire a translator without telling you first?

[Misha]

Is it normal for the woman to hire a translator without telling you first?

You should have kindly told her that if she hired the translator, she is responsible for paying the translator    Did you have any communication with her without going through the Anastasia? Skyping? Direct phone call?

[ML]

(seems very intellectual, Classy, looks great, cooks, seems to be very family oriented, and dedicated to learning (she has to take the train 3 hrs to and from University)

How do you know any of this since you can't talk to her??

Taking train for 3 hours to univ is pretty far fetched since there are univs in her own town.

Seems you have been had by the agency.

The $15 isn't bad, but . . . you are never going to learn much about this gal through an interpreter and . . . you already know she is dishonest; so what is there to gain by further contact??

[GoodOlBoy]

I have been in contact with this girl for about close to 3 months...

Sorry, but your story doesn't make any sense.
What kind of "contact" did you have for 3 month's?
 
 

Well, when I went down to the lobby of my hotel to meet her she had a translator with her and the translator said she knew no english...... Is it normal for the woman to hire a translator without telling you first?

Surprise...Surprise!
 
No problem if SHE hired the translator and SHE is paying for it.
 
BIG problem if YOU are paying for a translator that YOU didn't hire.
 
GOB
 

[Jack]

Revan, you are in trouble.  I hope you had some type of back-up plan in Lugansk.   

How long will you be in Lugansk?  If several more day's, and you realize you are being had, feel free to PM me and I'll help you to meet some sincere ladies.

[Hammer2722]

Run Forest, Run!!!!! I have had quite a lot of experience with Anastasia.
 
The reason her profile said she had intermediate English is because you were initially corresponding with an agency interpreter. I'd bet a months paycheck on it. Now that you have come to see her, you are finding out the truth. I have had the same experience. The fact that you are forced to use an interpreter without your previous agreement tells me you will be in for a very expensive time. You better learn to say no to spending your money on shopping, gifts expensive restaurants cause thats what your in for.
 
I suggest when you get back home is to stay away from any pay-per-letter dating sites and use only the free or monthly sites that allow you direct contact with the ladies via e-mail and Skype.
Good luck! Your going to need it! P.S. Read the 10 Commandments of dating on this site!!!

[Daveman]

At least you are staying in a hotel rather than an Anastasia flat! 

Revan, you are in trouble.  I hope you had some type of back-up plan in Lugansk.   

How long will you be in Lugansk? If several more day's, and you realize you are being had, feel free to PM me and I'll help you to meet some sincere ladies.

Reven,
I suggest very strongly that you consider this option very seriously.  Jack can help you *right now* in Lugansk, and perhaps salvage your trip if it's heading in a downward spiral. 


Sounds like the usual Anastasia BS to me. Hammer has been there, done that, and they probably even conned him out of the T-shirt... 


One word of caution, if you do meet other ladies, don't get into the whole "scammer", "scam", etc conversation with any new ladies... if asked why you are there just say that you came to meet someone, she seemed to be nice but it just didn't work out.   Short, simple, and true...  It would be a put off for any new ladies to get into any type of a sob story. 


Good luck!
Dave

[ML]

If you are very short of time, Jack will be your best option.

If you have a little more time, here are the free and monthly subscription websites.  A lot of gals on these websites from Lugansk.


http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/

[Hammer2722]

At least you are staying in a hotel rather than an Anastasia flat! 



Reven,
I suggest very strongly that you consider this option very seriously.  Jack can help you *right now* in Lugansk, and perhaps salvage your trip if it's heading in a downward spiral. 


Sounds like the usual Anastasia BS to me. Hammer has been there, done that, and they probably even conned him out of the T-shirt... 


One word of caution, if you do meet other ladies, don't get into the whole "scammer", "scam", etc conversation with any new ladies... if asked why you are there just say that you came to meet someone, she seemed to be nice but it just didn't work out.   Short, simple, and true...  It would be a put off for any new ladies to get into any type of a sob story. 


Good luck!
Dave

Yeah Dave, it was my first FSU Trip and I lost more than just the T-shirt!!!!! It was a very expensive learning experience and Only wish I had found these forums before venturing out into the Unkown!!!! LOL
 

[Revan7576]

Either way, I'm glad I found out about this right now so I know whats up. I'm kind of relieved as well, because this woman was not my main prospect (the one in Kherson is), though she is the first one I made contact with. I found it just weird as well, because she never brought up the idea of a translator in any of the her letters (my prospect in Kherson has brought it up, but I told her that It would not be needed), and for her just to do that was dis-ingenious I believe.
 
 Jack: thanks but I think it this one is no good I will just leave the area. I still have a few more days here, I leave on monday for Kherson. I kind of should have suspected this because I had "heard" that Lugansk had a reputation a few years back as a scammer city (though the woman has said in her profile and letters that she is from Lysychansk (sp?)). I just hope the woman in Kherson isn't going to be the same way, though she "seems" to be very receptive and respectful towards any request i have towards her. Anyway, Thank you all for you input. i'm going to send a letter to that woman (wonder how thats going to turn out) and then also might make plans for leaving Lugansk early. i will probably write a letter to the woman in Kherson as well, just in case she tries pulling the same crap (I will of course be more indirect about it but get my point of across never the less).

[Vincenzo]

Do you have the phone number of the girl in Kherson?
Why do you want to send a letter instead of calling her? If you speak slowly and loudly, she should understand you.

I suspect that you haven't had a personal contact with her.

It's normal for an Anastasia girl to bring an interpreter because you pay for a date with an interpreter.

Have you checked the map? Lysychansk is far from Luhansk, about 3 hours by train.

It's also normal for girls to exaggerate their language levels and heights.

[GQBlues]

...So, what are your guys opinions about this situation? Is it normal for the woman to hire a translator without telling you first?

In the world of MOB, 'Normal' is wholly subjective. I  somewhat had an experience with a young lady from Moscow in the beginning of my trail. I've exchanged more than a few correspondence with this gal when one day I received a very strange phone call from a woman I didn't know. She then explained to me who she was.
 
It turned out this gal lives in the US and, along with being the Moscow gal's liaison in the US for some of the the things she orders here e.g. dog food/supplies, clothings, shoes, etc...she also acted as her personal translator. So this gal was receiving my email, and she would in turn send it to her translated and she would reply and this gal would then respond to me in English. I never would've known had this girl didn't call me...despite the fact it didn't cost me a dime, and despite the fact I 'made a friend' I didn't expect or planned on, I still felt 'invaded' since I felt our exchanges (w/ Ms Moscow) were technically 'personal'.
 
Why she called ( ) is quite another story.
 
Anyway, going back to your story, I would've dropped that gal in the lobby altogether had I been in your shoes. It's good the damage is relatively minimal.

[Hammer2722]

Either way, I'm glad I found out about this right now so I know whats up. I'm kind of relieved as well, because this woman was not my main prospect (the one in Kherson is), though she is the first one I made contact with. I found it just weird as well, because she never brought up the idea of a translator in any of the her letters (my prospect in Kherson has brought it up, but I told her that It would not be needed), and for her just to do that was dis-ingenious I believe.
 
 Jack: thanks but I think it this one is no good I will just leave the area. I still have a few more days here, I leave on monday for Kherson. I kind of should have suspected this because I had "heard" that Lugansk had a reputation a few years back as a scammer city (though the woman has said in her profile and letters that she is from Lysychansk (sp?)). I just hope the woman in Kherson isn't going to be the same way, though she "seems" to be very receptive and respectful towards any request i have towards her. Anyway, Thank you all for you input. i'm going to send a letter to that woman (wonder how thats going to turn out) and then also might make plans for leaving Lugansk early. i will probably write a letter to the woman in Kherson as well, just in case she tries pulling the same crap (I will of course be more indirect about it but get my point of across never the less).

If you met the other Kherson lady on Anastasia, the odds of this one being sincere are not in your favor as Kherson can be just as bad with the pro-daters. If you have her number I would call her. Don't waste your time with letters especially if your writing through AD's site. I would suggest that you contact Jack and salvage your trip.

[Vincenzo]

I still felt 'invaded' since I felt our exchanges (w/ Ms Moscow) were technically 'personal'.
 

You probably like to receive long and nicely written letters from ladies.
A typical Russian lady, unless she works as an interpreter or at a foreign company, won't be able to produce them. They often write just a few simple sentences or use google for translation.

[GQBlues]

You probably like to receive long and nicely written letters from ladies. A typical Russian lady, unless she works as an interpreter or at a foreign company, won't be able to produce them. They often write just a few simple sentences or use google for translation.

I can't refute any of what you said, but the gal had lived in the US for a few years and her English is/was impeccable. Matter of fact, even when I spoke with her on the phone (and the many times after) she, for all intent and purposes, sounded like a typical American gal. No accent. heck, she LOOKS like a typical American gal.
 
As for my pre-trip letter writing, I went to great lenghts to make sure every lady understood things were to be on the friendly, quasi-platonic level and nothing should be taken beyond that prior to meeting in person. Even then, only if it's warranted. But still, even in those terms there are still information about myself I had to share beforehand which I considered to be 'personal'.

[Vincenzo]

Then you should write your letters in Russian or Ukrainian.
You may sound funny if you don't hire a translator.

In your case, I suspect that the liaison wanted to push the lady to move to America. The lady herself was reluctant.

[GQBlues]

Then you should write your letters in Russian or Ukrainian.
You may sound funny if you don't hire a translator.

In your case, I suspect that the liaison wanted to push the lady to move to America. The lady herself was reluctant.

This is Revan's thread, but I just wanted to point out your assessment above clearly missed their marks.

[Gator]

Revan,
 
My opinion differs somewhat.  It is possible (not probable) that the Lugansk woman is one of the few sincere UW listed with Anatasia.  Jack surely knows of the Anastasia affiliate in Lugansk  and can comment in private about his opinions.  Trust him.
 
Even so, you are still facing the huge obstacle of a sincere woman not speaking English.  This means you can not have a serious conversation, and the implications of such are apparent.
 
What to do?   I suggest one more meeting with the Lugansk woman before you go to Kherson.  Hire her interpreter for only one hour, then tell the interpreter to go away, saying you need time alone with the UW.   Then spend the whole evening with the UW.  You walk, have dinner, go bowling (tell her to wear jeans), and have a drink at a club - all the time using your translator app (she can enter Cyrillic I assume).  If this woman is animated, you will sense whether she feels some connection with you.   
 
I suggest this because I did the same with a RW who turned out to be the best woman I have ever met.  However, my woman was demonstrative, expressive and energetic - I could read her and she me.  Nevertheless it took several trips to develop the relationship.  Do you have years?
 
Is the Kherson woman also from Anastasia?  If so, why rush into the same situation.  Speak to Jack.  Forget about the money you spent on letter writing with Anastasia.  That money is a sunk cost of learning about this venture.  You are there - make the best of it.
 
 

[Revan7576]

Thank you Gator, I will take your advice. Already contacted her, and she knows my feelings on pulling that on me. I will probably have 2 more dates, one of which doing what you say. She does seem to be a bit shy, though that could have been because of the first meeting. But I will do what you say and then I will find out if there is a kind of connection between us without much communication (of course with some with my Google translate app). Quite honestly, hopefully the weather here will lighten up so that we can just go for a walk in the park (which Is what I prefer to do anyway). I will also try asking for her Email and phone number tomarrow. If she refuses that, then I know this is not going anywhere and that she is probably just playing games.

I will see about getting the Phone number of the girl in Kherson but it might be difficult. It seems like all these pay to date sites (AKA Anastatsia) try to get as much in between you and the possible girl as much as they can in order to squeeze as much money out of you. Unfortunely, I didn't find out much about the whole "don't use pay for sites" until I was well into the process.

[Misha]

Hire her interpreter for only one hour, then tell the interpreter to go away, saying you need time alone with the UW.   Then spend the whole evening with the UW.

This is good advice. If either the woman or the translator refuse, then you must have the fortitude to walk away and not let yourself be manipulated.

[Handycam72]

Do you have the phone number of the girl in Kherson?
Why do you want to send a letter instead of calling her? If you speak slowly and loudly, she should understand you.

Yeah speaking to someone who does not speak your language as if they are completely deaf and somehow mentally retarded makes you so much easier to understand 

Raven.

+1 what Gator suggests....what you got to lose.

[Vincenzo]

Yeah speaking to someone who does not speak your language as if they are completely deaf and somehow mentally retarded makes you so much easier to understand 

He can say these phrases slowly and loudly,
"Privet! Ya Kherson zavtra."

[GoodOlBoy]

I will probably have 2 more dates,......I will also try asking for her Email and phone number tomarrow.

 
 

Revan, you are in trouble.

God help me for saying this, BUT..... I agree with Jack.
 
GOB

[Daveman]

He can say these phrases slowly and loudly,
"Privet! Ya Kherson zavtra."

Slowly and with precise enunciation... loudly is less effective and more annoying.


However, the point may be mute (pun intended)... in order for him to actually accomplish that feat of epic wonder he will need to speak directly to the lady via telephone prior to his arrival in Kherson...  and, what are the projected odds of that happening?   

[Vincenzo]

At least, this "very intellectual, Classy, looks great" student-age lady will show up for the first meeting. Because Anastasia's interpreter will push her.

When I try to contact ladies with such qualities on free or cheap websites, very few reply.