My trip to Kiev with Eduard

[Eduard]

Eduard you seem like a nice guy but, I wouldn't trust you (or anyone for that matter) to pick out a woman for me. I wouldn't trust you, anyone with like services, an agency or anyone else to do that.

FP, I don't think we disagree, but you are misinformed. I do not pick women for my clients. I simply help them save a lot of time by helping my clients create a pool of a few dozen women (outside of the MOB agency circuit) who fit their criteria and who have shown interest in getting to know my clients better. In the end my clients do all the picking without having to deal with scammers, prodaters, incincere women, etc., they talk with many different women and when they feel connection with a few, we go and meet them in person. In the end all you need is one, the right one, wouldn't you agree?

[Muzh]

FP, I don't think we disagree, but you are misinformed. I do not pick women for my clients. I simply help them save a lot of time by helping my clients create a pool of a few dozen women (outside of the MOB agency circuit) who fit their criteria and who have shown interest in getting to know my clients better. In the end my clients do all the picking without having to deal with scammers, prodaters, incincere women, etc., they talk with many different women and when they feel connection with a few, we go and meet them in person. In the end all you need is one, the right one, wouldn't you agree?

Actually, I was told once by the Rwife of a friend that she would "advice" me if the woman I was communicating was on the level. Now they are best of friends, and no, she never had the need to advice me.
 
This is what I gather Ed is talking about.

[Faux Pas]

FP, I don't think we disagree, but you are misinformed. I do not pick women for my clients. I simply help them save a lot of time by helping my clients create a pool of a few dozen women (outside of the MOB agency circuit) who fit their criteria and who have shown interest in getting to know my clients better. In the end my clients do all the picking without having to deal with scammers, prodaters, incincere women, etc., they talk with many different women and when they feel connection with a few, we go and meet them in person. In the end all you need is one, the right one, wouldn't you agree?

Absolutely, it is only the one person (most) seek. To me, finding that person myself is an important and vital part of the whole process. I wouldn't trust that part with anyone. Others do and better for you. For me personally, it doesn't compute.


By your own admission (paraphrasing) you basically separate the wheat from the chafe on the various sites you use. You communicate with the women and save your client time. All well and good for those that need or require it. Because of my experience, I don't think most guys need it. I understand your position with the projection that most guys do.

[steve057]

Sounds like you had a great trip Dugger...Congrats!:) I was in Kiev during that time frame as well but didin't get to spend as much time there as I would have liked.
 
 I"m not new to this site but really haven't posted that much in the past. I'm not an expert but do have some experience looking on my own!:)
 
 I guess I don't see a problem with using Ed to help you find a 'good' woman! Some guys are tired of all the scams and prodaters out there and just want to find a good woman for themselves. Ed provides a service which you can buy to help you on this venture. Some are tired of all the games, money, time and effort they put into finding that one 'good' woman to settle down with. They are willing to spend the money for some help and thats where Ed comes in. He will help you 'trim' down the list to a few you are willing to meet and are willing to meet you. It's your choice as I understand it,I doubt he is twisting your arm to use his service or to pick one of the women he helped you find? It's all up to you!:)
 
Most of us on here have been through the DYI kind of trips,some have been good trips,some have not! Some enjoy the 'chase' and would rather DYI,some would rather have help. I see nothing wrong with a person making a business out of this. Would I use his service? If things do not work out with the woman I am with now...I might just do that? Sounds like he has a great 'insider' view of the landscape over there!:) Something I can't say after making three trips over there! My Russian is terrible (but getting better) and it would help to have someone fluent in the language to help you!:))  Just my opinion!:)
 
Good luck Dugger!:))

[Eduard]

FP, again you are misinformed. I don't communicate with the women, my clients do that. I can totally respect that you are a DIY man. But my service would make a lot of sense to some guys and as you see it works. Remember Marty who posted here a while back when we came back from Irkutsk? He just got married to a lovely woman I helped him find and meet. There has been others but they don't want to come on these fora.

[BillyB]

 
1. How the heck are you so sure that an average guy would have less of a chance to treat a woman right compared to those who have no social skills to begin with? There's a very obvious reason/s why they can't get past first base!     ..or are you just guessing? If so, then what does that say about your statement?
 
2. If you're so busy to meet/date women to begin with, how can you have the ample time to marry one? Are you implying it'll take less time, patience, and the skills to asssociate with the opposite gender if they can somehow marry one and forego dating and associating altogether?
 
3. What type of a woman who'll subscribe to a man, let alone marry one, who don't have the time, the fortitude, basic social faculties, the audacity, and just the general awareness to take care of something so basic as in meeting a woman they're interested in; though possess a lot of money? Doubtful a man like Donald Trump will subscribe to pay anyone to choose his wife for him.
 
4. Are FSUW really so out of touch and insensitive to be these callous as to marry someone who doesn't the time to search/get to know them and had to be hand-held to go out on a simple date; but have easy disposable cash?
 
5. Lastly, will you marry a woman someone else told you is the one you should marry? If you can't, can you imagine what kind of man who will actually do that? You honestly believe these men is likely to treat a woman right compared to an average guy? LOL.

1) Guys with great social skills, sometimes playboys, aren't necessarily husband material. Men that focused on building a solid career and financial stability may lack social skill because they have less experience with women but are responsible, stable, dependable and dedicated to whatever they have their mind set on. They have the makings of being husband material. Words can attract women but action keeps them. My friends are men of action but not of words.
 
2) Unemployed men have all the time in the world to socialize with women. I think women prefer a busier man with less time to socialize.
 
3) RW! Many foreign women overlook their ability to communicate with a Western man. Big mistake? Not necessarily a big mistake since the Western man is ususally financially stable compared to her choices at home. Western man have more to lose when it comes to marrying a stranger.
 
4) FSUW marry men just as fast as the men marries them. Just like us men, some are fast and some are cautious. I remember a guy going to the FSU and marrying his woman on a first visit and bringing her over on a K-3 visa.
 
5) I would not do that but it's nice to have other peoples opinion's. Ed can speak the language and can relay to his customer that a woman is classy or trailer trash by the way she talks.

[Jack]

Guy's quite busy right now, have little time to post.   I know, I know, some of you are heartbroken by the news.   Do intend to reply to post made by chivo as soon as time permits.


Couldn't help but see this recent exchange between FP and eduard where eduard say's he does not pick women for his clients, that his clients do all the picking, and that he does not communicate with the women, only his clients do.

FP, I don't think we disagree, but you are misinformed. I do not pick women for my clients. I simply help them save a lot of time by helping my clients create a pool of a few dozen women (outside of the MOB agency circuit) who fit their criteria and who have shown interest in getting to know my clients better. In the end my clients do all the picking

FP, again you are misinformed. I don't communicate with the women, my clients do that.

eduard, the problem with telling things that are not true is that it's so hard to keep up with those things.  If you do not communicate with the women or pick women for your clients how do you explain these post's you have previously made?






........When I search for a woman I typically will go through about 15,000 profiles for a client, that fit his general criteria, then contact about a 1,000 who best fit a client's criteria, out of which a client usually talks to about a 100 and typically we narrow it down to 3-4 good prospects in about 3 months time........



..........I send the women who fit his criteria his first message which usually goes something like this: "hey I liked your profile, I think we might have things in common. Would you like to get to know each other? .........






eduard, are you denying you said made these two statements?  Both are indications that you are certainly picking the ladies for your client, and of course you are communicating with them.  And you are saying that FP is incorrect when he writes you are doing exactly this.







........I've had instances when I contacted a woman on behalf of one client and she said exactly what you are talking about: "not interested in foreigners" But then a couple of months later I contacted the same woman on behalf of another guy who is very good looking, body builder and she WAS INTERESTED!........

.......I also do searches and read through profiles to find women who fit his criteria and who have serious intentions. My clients can not do that themselves because everything on a site is in Russian. When I find the women who fit his criteria and who's profile indicates that they have serious intentions I send them HIS first intro message..........

 
.......In the beginning stages I'm basically a headhunter, searching profiles for women who fit my client's criteria and contacting them effectively creating a pool of women who are interested in getting to know him. It is very time consuming. I spend hours every day browsing RW's profiles. I save my clients tremendous amount of time by doing this for them.......


......Since I don't look for RW through agencies I deal with a completely different segment of the single RW market than most of you guys, and I found that a very short and fun note that consists of 2-3 sentences works best in most cases. I always do it in Russian. When a woman gets it and if she is even slightly interested, normally she will check out the pics on the guy's profile and read about him (I put all the info about a guy on his profile in Russian to make it easy for women. If she likes what she sees and reads she will respond.......



......The last client like that contacted me 3 weeks ago. He lives in Kiev. He hired me for 3 weeks. Within 10 days I had several women for him to go on dates with and he told me "enough, I can't handle any more" So this just shows you that even though a guy lives in Kiev and speaks some conversational Russian that didn't make him an expert in meeting women......





eduard as shown from these statements you have made it is quite obvious that FP was correct and you do indeed pick women for your clients and you do communicate with them, even though you told FP he was not correct. 

I think your forgetting fundamental difficulty of dating "cross culture" with Language Barrier. And that is what Edward fills, his knowledge and skill so that it isn't a barrier.

wheretheheck, this is exactly what eduard has been telling us.  I don't think eduard could have said this any better, or had you say it any better.

[GQBlues]

1) Guys with great social skills, sometimes playboys, aren't necessarily husband material. Men that focused on building a solid career and financial stability may lack social skill because they have less experience with women but are responsible, stable, dependable and dedicated to whatever they have their mind set on. They have the makings of being husband material. Words can attract women but action keeps them. My friends are men of action but not of words.
 
2) Unemployed men have all the time in the world to socialize with women. I think women prefer a busier man with less time to socialize.
 
3) RW! Many foreign women overlook their ability to communicate with a Western man. Big mistake? Not necessarily a big mistake since the Western man is ususally financially stable compared to her choices at home. Western man have more to lose when it comes to marrying a stranger.
 
4) FSUW marry men just as fast as the men marries them. Just like us men, some are fast and some are cautious. I remember a guy going to the FSU and marrying his woman on a first visit and bringing her over on a K-3 visa.
 
5) I would not do that but it's nice to have other peoples opinion's. Ed can speak the language and can relay to his customer that a woman is classy or trailer trash by the way she talks.

1. Wrong. You used the word 'average', not playboys...try again.
 
2. Wrong again. While unlike you I would have no way of knowing what all of the unemployed men's activities are, those i do know are too busy looking for work.
 
3. You're so very close to aiding my point.
 
4. A non-answer.
 
5. There's one case of a person who used Ed's service that we discussed at lenght here not too long ago. Is that the particular case you're referring to?

[BillyB]

1. Wrong. You used the word 'average', not playboys...try again.
 

I mention in my first post here my friends can take care of a woman better than the average guy. Playboys was mentioned in the 2nd post to give an example of someone with excellent social skills. Taking care of someone and socializing are two different things. Are you or are you not wondering how a person who can't get past first base still be a decent person and husband? I think they can.
 

There's one case of a person who used Ed's service that we discussed at lenght here not too long ago. Is that the particular case you're referring to?

I'm not talking about any particular case. What does that have to do with what we're talking about? Is it too hard to believe a guy can be so busy in his private life building a career, smart enough to understand the pitfalls of this endeavor, understand his weaknesses to where he wants support in those areas, and rich enough to afford Ed and hire him for his own benefit? No matter what grudges people hold against Ed, I have no problem some guys can and will benefit from his services and come out feeling it was worth every penny spent.

 
 

[GQBlues]

...I mention in my first post here my friends can take care of a woman better than the average guy.

Hence I asked you a direct question. How the heck do you know? If your friends can't get past first base to begin with, how will you ever know what they can and cannot do at home plate?
 
Moreover, 'average guys', being in the middle of extremes account for a massive number of sampling, which I highly doubt you would absolutely know all of them, much less determine details of their respective personal relationship, to make such a broad statement, yes? So stating something that is highly likely unbeknownst to you as something 'definite' is BS at best.
 

Playboys was mentioned in the 2nd post to give an example of someone with excellent social skills. Taking care of someone and socializing are two different things.

Which had nothing to do with the exchange. You spoke of 'your' socially inept friends AND average guys.
 

Are you or are you not wondering how a person who can't get past first base still be a decent person and husband? I think they can.

Actually, I'm still wondering, thus asked you, how the heck do YOU know 'average guys', in comparison, cannot treat a woman as well as your friends.
 

I'm not talking about any particular case. What does that have to do with what we're talking about?

A lot. We are after all discussing the virtue of a service provider's credentials, are we not? What better way to do so than to actually discuss guys who received such a service...like for instance the OP, etc...
 

No matter what grudges people hold against Ed, I have no problem some guys can and will benefit from his services and come out feeling it was worth every penny spent.

I can't speak for anyone else but I hold no grudge against Ed. I don't know him from Boris. If that was directed at someone/everyone else, then say so...

[BillyB]

Hence I asked you a direct question. How the heck do you know? If your friends can't get past first base to begin with, how will you ever know what they can and cannot do at home plate?

 
What are some of the things women want from a husband? I gave you an answer to your #1 question two posts ago. Why are you asking again? Can a guy be all that and have weaknesses, one being socializing? Perfect men are hard to come by. If a woman had to choose from two men, one of words and one of action, which do you think she'd prefer long term?

 

I'm still wondering, thus asked you, how the heck do YOU know 'average guys', in comparison, cannot treat a woman as well as your friends.

Maybe because average guys are just average and my friends are above average? Since I know what women are attracted to, I understand my friends can offer these things and that would make them better husbands than the average guy.  I've known these guys over 25 years and they never screwed me over and they're reliable. I keep only a few friends, good people. I don't have time for average people. Sooner or later they will severely disappoint someone and it ain't going to be me.
 

socially inept

Based off how many women I've got dates and repeat dates with, is it okay if I call everyone here socially inept by my standards? Some guys have a hard time getting past first base, second base and so on but it doesn't make them bad husband material. I've had dates with shy women and I had to lead with conversation almost 100% of the time. I've judged those women to be above average but I'm looking for more from a wife.
 

We are after all discussing the virtue of a service provider's credentials, are we not? What better way to do so than to actually discuss guys who received such a service...like for instance the OP, etc...

This is Duggers trip report yet too many made the focus on Ed. I've accepted the fact Dugger is happy with Ed's services. I don't buy the product but I accept why some people view such services valuable to their lives. What is your goal GQ? If you're not out to prove Ed's services is or isn't necessary to the OP or anyone else, then what is the goal debating me? Read ,my first post in this thread again. I said I understand some people could use Ed's services and give a couple examples of people that may benefit since I know they have money and aren't skilled talking to women. I do understand some people think that men who use Ed's or Jack's services have to have some serious flaws about them since they didn't go to the FSU alone. As long as Ed and Jack compete to pump out the most happy marriages, more power to them.

[Lily]

To the best of my memory, when I had a social net profile in Russian internet, one day I even received an email from someone from the West who would ask permission to introduce me to his friend in search of a wife. It was not Eduard, but perhaps someone of his fellow colleagues

dugger, I hope you my fellow Canadian will be successful with Ed's assistance. Are you still in contacts with someone of those ladies?

[dugger]

Thanks all for the input.  I have decided Cuba is out for now and to visit her for New years in Moldova with her family.  The Next thing I have to work on is the Canadian Visa thing if I still want to pursue this relationship.  Thanks for the info about that.  i will most likely start with looking into the Tourist Visa or Student Visa.  I have gotten busy catching up with work here but will keep up with the thread and post when I can.

dugger, I hope you my fellow Canadian will be successful with Ed's assistance. Are you still in contacts with someone of those ladies?

Thanks Lily, my fellow Canadian.  I am in contact with all 3 of those ladies, though I only skype with Alla every day.  Can I ask how you got your visa to come to Canada?

[BillyB]

(gotta pay a big bill I have )

Seems like Ed is going to follow you around for a long time. lol

[Eduard]

Seems like Ed is going to follow you around for a long time. lol

For the record: Dugger doesn't owe me any money.

[dugger]

Biily, That was a joke.  Jeez, you can't say anything around here without someone stirring that pot.  FYI, Ed is right, I have paid his bill and it wasn't as much as you are trying to make it out to be.  I'll remove that joke so no one else feels the urge to jump on it.  Boy, where's everyone's sense of humour around here!

[ML]

  i will most likely start with looking into the Tourist Visa or Student Visa.

If the Canadian situation for a Student Visa is anything like for USA . . . you and she are going to be in for a ton of paperwork!!   

And, if you are going to be of any help to her with her homework . . . it will be like getting your bachelors degree all over again.  You won't have time to go to any regular job!!

[GQBlues]

...I gave you an answer to your #1 question two posts ago. Why are you asking again?

No you didn't...so I'll give you one more try..
 
"How do you know average guys' life activities much less their relationship details to ascertain they can't treat women as well as your socially inept friends "

Maybe because average guys.....

Ahh! There it is. Finally! Maybe?!? You say maybe but present it as factual? LOL. So you're just full-o-pshyt just didn't want to admit it, no?
 

Based off how many women I've got dates and repeat dates with, is it okay if I call everyone here socially inept by my standards?

LOL! Time to wake up, BillyB. Strip joints doesn't count. Reading some of your Casanova drivels in these halls are laughable. I don't know which edition of Being a Stud for Dummies you got from Amazon but there's been a few criticals points in playing you're simply aren't grasping. You haven't got the clue.
 

...I understand my friends can offer these things and that would make them better husbands than the average guy.  I've known these guys over 25 years and they never screwed me over and they're reliable. I keep only a few friends, good people. I don't have time for average people. Sooner or later they will severely disappoint someone and it ain't going to be me.

That's an eye opener. I have to say I'm a bit surprised and I'm certain you know why. You actually HAVE friends?
 
But I digress...
 
I'm sure they're good guys. There are many good guys still out there and it matters little if they're socially inept or not. If you say your long time friends are good guys, despite of themselves, I believe you. Birds of feathers fly together.

This is Duggers trip report yet too many made the focus on Ed. I've accepted the fact Dugger is happy with Ed's services.

And the OP's thread topic intended to couple the subject with Ed's service. That's what the other posts entails. Capice?
 

What is your goal GQ?

The moniker Mighty Thor was taken so I would have to be content with BS-Buster!

[Muzh]

 
I'm sure they're good guys. There are many good guys still out there and it matters little if they're socially inept or not. If you say your long time friends are good guys, despite of themselves, I believe you. Birds of feathers fly together.
 

Maybe he intends to introduce his friends to his MILF, oops, sorry, MIL.

[acrzybear]

 
 
 

Maybe because average guys are just average and my friends are above average? Since I know what women are attracted to, I understand my friends can offer these things and that would make them better husbands than the average guy.  I've known these guys over 25 years and they never screwed me over and they're reliable. I keep only a few friends, good people. I don't have time for average people. Sooner or later they will severely disappoint someone and it ain't going to be me.

And yet you spend time wit us "average" people here     We are truely blessed.
 
Sorry to bust in on your post Dugger, Won't happen again.

[BillyB]

 

Jeez, you can't say anything around here without someone stirring that pot.

I wasn't serious in my post either.
 

No you didn't...so I'll give you one more try..
 

GQ, I promise you and everyone here that when you speak of people in general or average/normal people/person, I will not drill you endlessly for your definition of average/normal since it's probably different than mine and that doesn't bother me.
 

 
  And yet you spend time wit us "average" people here     
 

I associate only with the finest people in the world. That is why I'm here.