FSUW Should not target Americans?

[Gator]

In the same way I'd advise American men that it would be better to look closer to home, I'd advise a FSUW to look close to home too. The grass is greener fantasy is more often than not just that, a fantasy.

Strange, coming from a man who.... 
 
I need to be direct:
 
-  Was the benefit of the career move from Wales to Norway just a fantasy?
 
-  Was the delight of marrying a FSUW vs. a hyfryd but llydan Cornish hen a fantasy?

[Faux Pas]

In the same way I'd advise American men that it would be better to look closer to home, I'd advise a FSUW to look close to home too. The grass is greener fantasy is more often than not just that, a fantasy.

Perhaps you want to go back and read what I wrote now, but try to keep that overly sensitive nationalistic pride out of it?

Looking closer to home? So is this on like some mental level or are you speaking actual "distance", like closer to home? Have you seen a globe? Do you realize the distance of Australia/New Zealand or even Canada in terms of distance.


I read it correct the first time. Freudian slip perhaps? Your inability to see or get past your own hatred and jealousies have no effect on me. But, I do enjoy pointing them out to you. 

[BC]

Why do I laugh?  If BC had read more, and if Ade had recall, maybe they would see:
 

LOL.. yeah, a 'gotcha' moment.. my attention span must be dwindling..

[Gator]

Looking closer to home? So is this on like some mental level or are you speaking actual "distance", like closer to home? Have you seen a globe? Do you realize the distance of Australia/New Zealand or even Canada in terms of distance.
 

Obviously, a mentality as opposed to miles.  While Australia is farther than the US from Russia, Ade sees that the US is further away in terms of quality of life.

I read it correct the first time. Freudian slip perhaps? Your inability to see or get past your own hatred and jealousies have no effect on me. But, I do enjoy pointing them out to you. 

I do not believe that Ade is jealous.   Hatred? 
 
I tend to think it is a combination of idealistic contempt and arrogance, i. e. pretentiousness.  I have observed the same in Brits who attended public schools (Eton to be exact, one a commie fag and the other an aged colonialist). 
 
I admit that we drink cold beer and we are loud in public.  But to read RWD posts from some Americans and make sweeping generalizations that all Americans are the same and represent a second class nation???? 
 
What is odd is that I find Ade to be intelligent and frequently to have sound opinions.  Then he does this.   Incredulous.  Something emotional perhaps.  Maybe hatred is the correct modifier.  I guess he is asleep now so I will leave him be.
 

[pitbull]

Personally, if I were a FSUW, I would rule out the US and not bother there unless I became desperate. The reasons I have are many and I won't go into them, but let's just say that, IMO, most of Western Europe, Northern Europe, Canada and New Zealand/Australasia are better options and provide a better or equal quality of life. Given that has to be close to 200 million men, I don't see that should be an issue.

Oh, my! I actually disagree with Ade for the first time   
 
I think it depends on what a particular FSUW is looking for. For me, excellent communication was key, which to me means sharing a language with a man. The only foreign language I knew well was English, so my preference was naturally for men from English-speaking countries. I had French, German and Italian men write to me, but in most cases their English wasn't fluent enough for effortless and deep communication. So, really this left me with the UK in Europe.
 
Second, personally I have to have a fullfilling professional life and a decent career. No shop assistant and such. I have girlfriends who live in Europe (through marriage), and even for those who are well educated, finding a decent employment is a challenge, much more so than for my FSUW friends who live in the US (of similar caliber). The old Europe is still less welcoming towards immigrants, in terms of blending in and career opportunities (plus high unemployment). When visiting Europe I had a distinct feeling that I would always be a "Russian immigrant", never a "French", "German", "Brit" etc.
 
At the same time, in the US (granted, I live in Boston), I don't remember ever feeling out of place, a stranger, an immigrant. It was easy to get a decent job and make friends, and my career prospects are amazing. If anything, I've received my last promotion in part thanks to my "international experience". I hardly think of myself as an "FSU immigrant", but rather as an "American of FSU descent".
 
My advice to any FSUW who wants the best chances for individual success, with little to no bounds of being a foreigner, is to look at the US first and foremost. This is not for everyone, those with no ambition and those who have kids and homemaking as a priority should probably look at Europe.
 
Of course, these are generalizations, but my experience and feelings supports those strongly.

[Lily]

 
My advice to any FSUW who wants the best chances for individual success, with little to no bounds of being a foreigner, is to look at the US first and foremost. This is not for everyone, those with no ambition and those who have kids and homemaking as a priority should probably look at Europe.
 
Of course, these are generalizations, but my experience and feelings supports those strongly.

Canada should be added to the countries that welcome immigrants, especially professionals. In 2010, about 280 000 immigrants landed in Canada. A number of them supplemented local workforce. Almost every big company has recent immigrants among their staff. Recently a colleague told me that in the class where his friends' kids go, there are people who represent 17 nationalities!

[pitbull]

Canada should be added to the countries that welcome immigrants, especially professionals. In 2010, about 280 000 immigrants landed in Canada. A number of them supplemented local workforce. Almost every big company has recent immigrants among their staff. Recently a colleague told me that in the class where his friends' kids go, there are people who represent 17 nationalities!

Lily,

I agree, Canada is a great option as well.

[Faux Pas]

Obviously, a mentality as opposed to miles.  While Australia is farther than the US from Russia, Ade sees that the US is further away in terms of quality of life.

 
I do not believe that Ade is jealous.   Hatred? 

I tend to think it is a combination of idealistic contempt and arrogance, i. e. pretentiousness.  I have observed the same in Brits who attended public schools (Eton to be exact, one a commie fag and the other an aged colonialist). 
 
I admit that we drink cold beer and we are loud in public.  But to read RWD posts from some Americans and make sweeping generalizations that all Americans are the same and represent a second class nation???? 
 
What is odd is that I find Ade to be intelligent and frequently to have sound opinions.  Then he does this.   Incredulous.  Something emotional perhaps.  Maybe hatred is the correct modifier.  I guess he is asleep now so I will leave him be.

He'll certainly respond when he arises 


As much as I have disagreed with Ade in the past, I have always thought his position on most any subject to be intelligent and well thought out. Not necessarily correct but, concluded by intelligent logic. Although, I actually agree with him more often than not and just don't take the time to mention it.


However, when it comes to anything America or American he is very quick to disparage and condescend. Hatred perhaps, maybe or maybe not jealously but, something fuels his distain here and it isn't sound logic.


Yes, many times we are loud. Our government policies leave a big footprint on and many do hate us. Tough doo doo. Our markets dominate the world. Broken wind in the US more often than not is a shyt storm in much of the world. He benefits from it as much as he is put out because of it. Quality of life is highly subjective. Personally, I wouldn't take double europeans for one of mine but, that's just me    Although it appears before too long there won't be any difference in the two.

[Ade]

Oh, my! I actually disagree with Ade for the first time   

Ah, but there is always a first time for everything.

I think it depends on what a particular FSUW is looking for. For me, excellent communication was key, which to me means sharing a language with a man. The only foreign language I knew well was English, so my preference was naturally for men from English-speaking countries. I had French, German and Italian men write to me, but in most cases their English wasn't fluent enough for effortless and deep communication. So, really this left me with the UK in Europe.

I totally agree about language and communication and I've said it numerous times that those who choose to start relationships with women that they can barely say hello to are, IMO, out of their mind. If they end up having a successful marriage it has more to do with luck than design.

But, in the cases where women speak little to no English/German/French/Spanish, then the investment to learn another is not that great compared to a life long commitment to a guy.

Second, personally I have to have a fullfilling professional life and a decent career. No shop assistant and such. I have girlfriends who live in Europe (through marriage), and even for those who are well educated, finding a decent employment is a challenge, much more so than for my FSUW friends who live in the US (of similar caliber). The old Europe is still less welcoming towards immigrants, in terms of blending in and career opportunities (plus high unemployment). When visiting Europe I had a distinct feeling that I would always be a "Russian immigrant", never a "French", "German", "Brit" etc.

I can only extrapolate from by what I've seen here and, generally, I don't think it's like as you describe, assuming good qualifications of course. I also thought that the UK was fairly good for employing highly educated immigrants.

The unemployment rate in the EU (9.3%) overall is just about the same as the US (9%) from the stats I've seen but many countries in Europe are well below including Norway (3.4%), Sweden (7.7%), Denmark (7.4%), Germany (5.8%), Netherlands (4.2%), Switzerland (2.9%), Austria (4.3%) and others that are too tedious to list. Outside of Europe you have Australia (5.2%), New Zealand (6.6%) and Canada (7.2%).

Of course that wouldn't help if they don't employ immigrants.
 

At the same time, in the US (granted, I live in Boston), I don't remember ever feeling out of place, a stranger, an immigrant. It was easy to get a decent job and make friends, and my career prospects are amazing. If anything, I've received my last promotion in part thanks to my "international experience". I hardly think of myself as an "FSU immigrant", but rather as an "American of FSU descent".

But we know from posters that some wives in the US even get asked probing and inappropriate questions during job interviews just because they are immigrants ("does your husband approve of you...") so your experience isn't universal I think.

My advice to any FSUW who wants the best chances for individual success, with little to no bounds of being a foreigner, is to look at the US first and foremost. This is not for everyone, those with no ambition and those who have kids and homemaking as a priority should probably look at Europe.
 
Of course, these are generalizations, but my experience and feelings supports those strongly.

When my wife went searching for someone she first ruled out America. It's just too far she said. She had other filters too I guess like all of us.

Ironically, when I was internet dating I ruled out international dating almost entirely due to previous experiences and I ignored the many RW that tried to contact me. Although, for a while, I did have a promising internet thing going with a supremely attractive and highly intelligent black woman from London and also with a beautiful Austrian woman; I almost went to meet both but then I met a woman from Oslo (I did regret my decision not to travel to meet them, which played some part in my later going to meet my now wife). Anyway, if it weren't for a specific set of events and coincidences, my wife and I would never have met, or she would have been ignored just like the others. Perhaps, if I'd been American she never would have contacted me, but perhaps I would have been the person that changed her mind.

Sounds to me like Gator and Faux Pas have insecurity issues about their country.

[Ade]

Strange, coming from a man who.... 
 
I need to be direct:
 
-  Was the benefit of the career move from Wales to Norway just a fantasy?

Actually, I moved up from Geneva. And it was a deliberate career down sizing with a substantial salary drop too.

-  Was the delight of marrying a FSUW vs. a hyfryd but llydan Cornish hen a fantasy?

  Unlike some really strange people, I am not obsessed with FSUW to the exclusion of all others. The fantasy is all yours and theirs.

[Olly]

Then a woman has little choice: only the UK if she knows only English.

If she knows Swedish or Norwegian, it opens new destinations, of course.

I am not agree. Many Sweden, Norwegian, German speak English very well. If woman knows english she can learn another language when she come to find a job.
 

Canada should be added to the countries that welcome immigrants, especially professionals. In 2010, about 280 000 immigrants landed in Canada. A number of them supplemented local workforce. Almost every big company has recent immigrants among their staff.

May I added Australia. This country have very loyal immigration rules.

[Ade]

I am not agree. Many Sweden, Norwegian, German speak English very well. If woman knows english she can learn another language when she come to find a job.

Yes, very true. Free language courses for immigrant wives here too. Depending on the woman's field, she may not even need to learn anything else if her English is good. My Norwegian is abysmal but it doesn't matter as all my work is in English.

[Gator]

Sounds to me like Gator and Faux Pas have insecurity issues about their country.

FP and I are not making a recommendation to eliminate any developed country.   That would be silly.  However, you are making such a recommendation.   And your reasons still elude me.   Until I know your concrete reasons, I find your elimination of America as silly.   
 
 
The only concrete facts you seem to give are vacation days, travel distance and employment.  I discussed vacation days and it is not a problem for financially secure men.  FP has already shown the inconsistency of your travel distance argument.
 
That leaves employment.  Please examine one basic fact.   America is  home to thousands of RW who came here as immigrants.  At social gatherings just in Tampa I have met many, many RW here, perhaps a 100.  Some came as students and some as wives.  Most are working, while many elect to be housewives.  Most RW are doing well, some very well indeed.   Although some RW are underemployed,  this is perhaps temporal.  A few are struggling; however, I contend such is more because of themselves and their decisions and not America.  How are RW doing in other regions of America?  I hear nothing that would suggest RW struggle in America.
 
You did report some unemployment facts.     
 

The unemployment rate in the EU (9.3%) overall is just about the same as the US (9%) from the stats I've seen but many countries in Europe are well below including Norway (3.4%), Sweden (7.7%), Denmark (7.4%), Germany (5.8%), Netherlands (4.2%), Switzerland (2.9%), Austria (4.3%) and others that are too tedious to list. Outside of Europe you have Australia (5.2%), New Zealand (6.6%) and Canada (7.2%).

I assert that unemployment data are not leading indicators.  One leading indicator of many is interest rate.  How are Europe's Club Med countries doing?   What are the implications for a contagion?  You told me some time ago that Greece was the only problem -you still believe that? Is Germany willing to save the day (50-50 at best it seems)?   
 
Europe and America both face severe economic problems.   
 
Not seeing any sound logic in your recommendation, I believe your thinking is clouded by some oddball Americans who have made posts at RWD and somehow you have extrapolated that to all Americans.  Please say it is not so.     

[Hammer2722]

FP and I are not making a recommendation to eliminate any developed country.   That would be silly.  However, you are making such a recommendation.   And your reasons still elude me.   Until I know your concrete reasons, I find your elimination of America as silly.   
 
 
The only concrete facts you seem to give are vacation days, travel distance and employment.  I discussed vacation days and it is not a problem for financially secure men.  FP has already shown the inconsistency of your travel distance argument.
 
That leaves employment.  Please examine one basic fact.   America is  home to thousands of RW who came here as immigrants.  At social gatherings just in Tampa I have met many, many RW here, perhaps a 100.  Some came as students and some as wives.  Most are working, while many elect to be housewives.  Most RW are doing well, some very well indeed.   Although some RW are underemployed,  this is perhaps temporal.  A few are struggling; however, I contend such is more because of themselves and their decisions and not America.  How are RW doing in other regions of America?  I hear nothing that would suggest RW struggle in America.
 
You did report some unemployment facts.     
 
I assert that unemployment data are not leading indicators.  One leading indicator of many is interest rate.  How are Europe's Club Med countries doing?   What are the implications for a contagion?  You told me some time ago that Greece was the only problem -you still believe that? Is Germany willing to save the day (50-50 at best it seems)?   
 
Europe and America both face severe economic problems.   
 
Not seeing any sound logic in your recommendation, I believe your thinking is clouded by some oddball Americans who have made posts at RWD and somehow you have extrapolated that to all Americans.  Please say it is not so.   

+10!!!!!!
 

[Kineo]

Here is some infomation:
 
Unemployment:
Maine:7.5%
NewHampshire:5.4%
Nationwide, I am not sure. It is probably higher than where I live.
 
Paid timeoff:
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/ebs.t05.htm