I wanna move to Canada

[Aloe]

I wanna move to Canada! Yesterday we were watching the news and it suddenly struck me. I just don't see this as a good place to raise children (this place being Belgium). There is no nature here. You have to drive far away to get to nature. I don't want my kiddies to grow up only seeing nature once a year. And i want them to play in the snow, riding on their butts on plastic baggies or other plastic objects from a snowy mountain like we used to. Snow is tons of fun for kids. You can build stuff from it, you can roll around in it, you can ride off snowy hills and mountains. I just have so many wonderful memories related to playing in the snow. There is like no snow here.  If it snows it either melts immediately or the next day. But that's just half the problem. The main thing is the lack of nature. There are just crop fields, pastures and houses here. I haven't seen nature in years. Kiddies walking outside and there is nothing there, just houses and crop fields all around, all you can do is walk on the roads between them. No room to play anywhere and no nature. It's awful.

Did i mention, Belgium has some of the worst air pollution in europe and gets warnings from Europe about it. And there are like 5 nuclear stations within like 300 km of each other... if one of the dozens of reactors goes leaking, this entire country goes to hell..
Or if economy collapses you die from starvation, cuz there is no nature, so you can't hunt for food. You can only grow some stuff on your tiny piece of land. But we don't have any land.

I really really wanna move to Canada.

I wonder if i moved to Canada, if i wouldn't wanna move somewhere else a couple of years later. I seem to like moving I wonder if this means i'm failing to integrate in Belgium. I just don't like it here much.

Hubby says he doesn't wanna move, because of the uncertainty, and it's too scary and unknown and that he doesn't wanna leave 'everything we have' here. Lol. Everything we have being like a few pieces of furniture.

[brave girl]

I have read the very sad postings. 
Sorry, the problem is not Belgium.
 
brave girl

[Muzh]

I have read the very sad postings. 
Sorry, the problem is not Belgium.
 
brave girl

 

[Aloe]

The problem is very much Belgium. How would you like to live in a polluted miniscule country surrounded by out of date nuclear reactors, and without any nature or snow (no sun either)?

[Donna_Pedro]

I know what you are talking about .  In 10 years I have lived in what seemed  like every sht hole in American south. I hated it but my "true grit"of a husband refused to move away . He grew up in the south. Its his home. And he likes his quiet small southern towns. I am a big city girl. I love civilization around me and instead I was forced to live  in places where Walmart was the only boutique in 100 miles radius. It took me 7 years to convince my husband to move. Now that we have moved to TX, I feel much better.  Its not exactly where I want to be, but give me a few more years and I will get there. You cant force  men to take such decisions fast. They need time to become comfortable with it. Keep at it. Gently, but steadily. And, btw, there is nothing wrong with you.

[viking]

There is an old expression..Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. Many parts of Canada have snow. Sometimes more than what you want to deal with. I live in NY. In the summer I am on the beach. In winter, I drive only a few hours and I am in the forests ( nature). Every winter we get snow. Sometimes enough to make a great winter and sometimes I want to move someplace warmer. I don't think any place is perfect. Example, I have been to areas in Arizona which is partly forests, partly mountains, partly desert. Really beautiful. But now there are droughts and dust storms and its not going to get any better for awhile.

Do some homework. Really read up on where you feel is better for you. Remember your husband needs to find work and both of you would need to acclimate yourselves all over again.

[Vinnvinny]

Why not Switzerland or the French Alps? Load of nature and snow there.

[Gator]

Why would your husband want to move to Canada?  He would lose his friends.  He would rarely see his family.  He would not have his language.  He would have to find a new job outside of all of his contacts and within a new system.  He would have to adapt to a new culture, i.e. his favorite food would probably not be available, his understanding of how things work would be different, etc. Everything that he has known and learned since an infant would change. The adjustment could be painful.
 
Wait....this is what you did...... and all RW do.....
 
Good luck.
 
I don't know if "anything" is "wrong" with you, but you seem to have mood swings.  Have you told hubby yet?  The way you describe your interactions, he does not seem receptive to change.
 
There is an American expression, "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"   (translation:  other situations look better than your own, even when they are not really so).

[Faux Pas]

There is an American expression, "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"   (translation:  other situations look better than your own, even when they are not really so).

There is another one:


"There are only two places on earth better than where you are now. That's where you are going and where you came from."

[OlgaH]

There is an American expression, "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"   (translation:  other situations look better than your own, even when they are not really so).

There is another one:


"There are only two places on earth better than where you are now. That's where you are going and where you came from."

Our neighbor's young bull got stuck in our gates. How long he was there until I heard the noise I don't know. But it took me a while to calm him down so we could open the gates, and he ran back home     

[Gator]

The Laughing Heart
 (or Your Life is Your Life)
 
by Charles Bukowski
 

Your Life is your Life. 
Don’t let it be clubbed into dank submission. 
 
Be on the watch. 
There are ways out. 
 
There is a light somewhere. 
It may not be much light but 
   it beats the darkness. 
 
Be on the watch. 
The Gods will offer you chances. 
Know them. 
Take them. 
 
You can’t beat Death but 
   you can beat Death in Life, sometimes. 
And the more often you learn to do it, 
the more light there will be. 
 
Your Life is your Life. 
Know it while you have it. 
 
You are marvelous. 
The Gods wait to delight 
   in you. 

 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KT16DcHcjRA
 

[GQBlues]

Canada is wonderful choice, Aloe. If that can be an option for the two of you someday, allow me to suggest the BC area/Vancouver. It's pricey but hopefully you can finish school and both you and hubby can find a promising career there...

[OlgaH]

It's pricey but hopefully you can finish school and both you and hubby can find a promising career there...

That's right
+1

[Ade]

I almost moved to Canada myself. Norway won out in the end though. We have snow here too.

And we have deer in the garden too on occasion.

[Chicagoguy]

Bloom Where You Are Planted

[Chicagoguy]

My daughter would like to live in Bruges, Belgium.

[Daveman]

I almost moved to Canada myself. Norway won out in the end though. We have snow here too.

And we have deer in the garden too on occasion.

That first shot is just gorgeous.. but damn it looks COLD! 

[OlgaH]

Siberia or Alaska is also an option regarding flora, fаuna and a lot of snow 

[Jumper]

I hated it but my "true grit"of a husband refused to move away . ....... he likes his quiet small southern towns.
 I am a big city girl. I love civilization around me and instead I was forced to live  in places where Walmart was the only boutique in 100 miles radius.
 It took me 7 years to convince my husband to move.
Now that we have moved to TX, I feel much better.  Its not exactly where I want to be, but give me a few more years and I will get there.

lol
Donna you've always been good for eliociting a responce, glad you are back posting.
 
Hey keep manipulating your hubby to where you want to go..
afterall, *who* he is (true grit type) or his views on what's best for a family, arn't as important. 
 
 
If he handcuffed you to the plane that flew you out of your beloved Moscow,
 to the southern shitholes, you'd have my pity.
As it is, not so much.
 
 You choose a life with him, understanding who he was, and where he was located at the time.
it's a safe bet from what you've written he did not anticipate ,relocating to a city.Nor ever want to.
 
I can see compromise, but that's not what you are suggesting.
 
Good luck with that, it seems to be working for you over time .. glad he is malleable.
 
To suggest you were forced to live in such places ,isn't accurate, you choose to ,
to be with your husband. The positives obviously outweighed the other choices.
 
 

[Donna_Pedro]

 
 You choose a life with him, understanding who he was, and where he was located at the time.
it's a safe bet from what you've written he did not anticipate ,relocating to a city.Nor ever want to.
 
I can see compromise, but that's not what you are suggesting.
 
Good luck with that, it seems to be working for you over time .. glad he is malleable.
 
To suggest you were forced to live in such places ,isn't accurate, you choose to ,
to be with your husband. The positives obviously outweighed the other choices.

This is all very true. And yes, "forced" might not have been a good choice of words. Of course it was my decision, and of course my husband was and is worth every minute I spent living in all those small towns. Is also true that I did not like living there and always thought that one way or another I would convince him to move. I have changed a lot of my own  outlooks on things because of my husband. Something that I would never consider before, seems very natural now. I do not see why he can not do the same for me.

[Zmejka]

Aloe, did you read notes from an immigrant who recently moved to Canada? Here is it  http://smoking-room.ru/data/misc/stories/can_dnevnik.html it's a joke but as you know - many a true word is spoken in jest (в каждой шутке есть доля правды).
Brief summary of that notes: a man dreamed to move to Canada, to see the mountains in snow, deers, beautiful nature etc. When he heard soon season of deers shooting will start he was terrified. He was looking forward to see snow and play in it. When it snowed he was totally happy. But when it happened again, and again, and again - every day, when he got tired cleaning up his parking place, when once he was not able to drive away from it because it was too much snow and he already broke all shovels because of snow, when a deer jumped on his car and he had to pay $3000 for the damage - he wished that deer was shot before. Finally he got so sick of everything he decided to move to Florida with the thought: I can't imagine somebody in his clear mind would want to live in this terrible place as Canada:)
Belgium has some very attracting moments: it's close to visit your family in Russia (and quite cheap if to compare it to Canada). It's also close to the neighbouring countries so it's easy to travel. It's a homeplace to your man who is now the breadwinner. In other place it will be difficult for him to find work considering that you both will be immigrants, your statuses will be lowered. For finances it will be absolutely not good. If you want to persue this dream of yours - there's an immigration program to Canada where you need to get certain points to be allowed into the program. Points are given for the knowledge of English (French also), work experience in desired for Canadian government areas. You can meanwhile talk your husband into moving to Canada and preparing yourself - learning the language, getting work experience. And then - you'll see where it will bring you! May be by that time you change your mind and want to stay - or consider another country - but still the knowledges in language and work areas stay with you. Good luck!
P.S. I also thought about Canada - ideally any country to live in for a couple of years and then relocate, again a few years and again relocate. But it's nice as a dream but how it could have been in reality - nobody knows...

[SANDRO43]

My daughter would like to live in Bruges, Belgium.

Why don't you arrange an exchange program ?

[Misha]

Aloe, did you read notes from an immigrant who recently moved to Canada? Here is it  http://smoking-room.ru/data/misc/stories/can_dnevnik.html it's a joke but as you know - many a true word is spoken in jest (в каждой шутке есть доля правды).

It isn't that bad 

[size=78%]when a deer jumped on his car and he had to pay $3000 for the damage[/size]

We have insurance and it will pay for the repairs (minus deductible) 

[Eduard]

Aloe, did you read notes from an immigrant who recently moved to Canada? Here is it  http://smoking-room.ru/data/misc/stories/can_dnevnik.html it's a joke but as you know - many a true word is spoken in jest (в каждой шутке есть доля правды).
Brief summary of that notes: a man dreamed to move to Canada, to see the mountains in snow, deers, beautiful nature etc. When he heard soon season of deers shooting will start he was terrified. He was looking forward to see snow and play in it. When it snowed he was totally happy. But when it happened again, and again, and again - every day, when he got tired cleaning up his parking place, when once he was not able to drive away from it because it was too much snow and he already broke all shovels because of snow, when a deer jumped on his car and he had to pay $3000 for the damage - he wished that deer was shot before. Finally he got so sick of everything he decided to move to Florida with the thought: I can't imagine somebody in his clear mind would want to live in this terrible place as Canada:)
Belgium has some very attracting moments: it's close to visit your family in Russia (and quite cheap if to compare it to Canada). It's also close to the neighbouring countries so it's easy to travel. It's a homeplace to your man who is now the breadwinner. In other place it will be difficult for him to find work considering that you both will be immigrants, your statuses will be lowered. For finances it will be absolutely not good. If you want to persue this dream of yours - there's an immigration program to Canada where you need to get certain points to be allowed into the program. Points are given for the knowledge of English (French also), work experience in desired for Canadian government areas. You can meanwhile talk your husband into moving to Canada and preparing yourself - learning the language, getting work experience. And then - you'll see where it will bring you! May be by that time you change your mind and want to stay - or consider another country - but still the knowledges in language and work areas stay with you. Good luck!
P.S. I also thought about Canada - ideally any country to live in for a couple of years and then relocate, again a few years and again relocate. But it's nice as a dream but how it could have been in reality - nobody knows...

I personally like this version better:  в каждой шутке есть доля  шуткu   
Although I agree with Gator that the grass is always greener..., I do believe that we all may have a preference as to where we would like to live whether it's a large city verus small or living in the country, or cold climate versus warm climate.
Personally I got tired of snow and love living in sunny Florida where it's summer all year round, beautiful Gulf of Mexico, beach... Aloe, if you are thinking of moving to this side of the big pond, take a look at Florida. It's a great lifestyle and the real estate prices here right now are laughable.

[Ranetka]

http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/forum.asp
 
Recent immigrants' experience of Canada.