FSU women and marriage regulations

[Patagonie]

For the 100th time, if the woman was not properly informed, the prenup is worth nothing more than TP (toilet paper). 
 
There is also the issue of a woman signing under duress, and no one has mentioned that. 
 
It seems to me that 90% of the posts in this thread are by people who have no direct experience with American prenups.  The arguments are far more emotional rather than factual, and examples presented are incomplete hearsay.
 
If a man is considering that he may need a prenup, he should seek legal advice and his attorney will explain the process and requirements. 
 
For a man with money, his accountant will probably remind him of the three F's of financial management:  If it  Floats, Flies, or Flucks, rent it!
 
And that was my final word.

I share Gator's opinion and this will be my final word for this topic. Too many emotionnal opinions rather than  based on the reality of the life and more important : matrimonial system government. You have many countries, democraties who have instituted the regime explained by Jeff 9556 in his post 173. In a lot of countries (especially Europe) the normal regime is with separated premarital assets. Why this one, voted by many hundreds of millions of people would be unfair ? USA is more, like England, a country of (US guys correct me if i'm wrong) contract. What is a contract ? A prenup. And the problem seems to be that the value of the contract is not always accepted, depending of the state. As the law gives no real guarantee some guys can organize to protect their assets (partially or totally). Something understandable as courts are generous with women in the west. This generosity is considered now like unfair. For example, just to give you a clue, in my country, when the children lives with the mother 84 % of fathers give money and when the chilren lives with his father 25 % of mothers give money to support. Don't tell me that french women are so poor ! The difference between women and men for the same education is around 10 %, wich is very unfair. I agree. 
                        
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Kuna]

For example, just to give you a clue, in my country, when the children lives with the mother 84 % of fathers give money and when the chilren lives with his father 25 % of mothers give money to support. Don't tell me that french women are so poor ! The difference between women and men for the same education is around 10 %, wich is very unfair. I agree.

Interesting stats Pat...

Any idea of the differences in incomes for those fathers getting custody of the children as opposed to the non-custodial mothers' incomes?

[Patagonie]

I am sorry Kuna i don't have details for the moment. If i know i would post.

[Doll]

For the 100th time, if the woman was not properly informed, the prenup is worth nothing more than TP (toilet paper). 
 
 

http://www.russian-fiancee.com/rus/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=79600
Here is one of many real stories about "toilet paper"))))))

[ghost of moon goddess]

... Something understandable as courts are generous with women in the west. This generosity is considered now like unfair. For example, just to give you a clue, in my country, when the children lives with the mother 84 % of fathers give money and when the chilren lives with his father 25 % of mothers give money to support. Don't tell me that french women are so poor ! The difference between women and men for the same education is around 10 %, wich is very unfair. I agree.

 

Patagonie, what do you think about «Juvenile Justice»?

Here are some "RW cases" that have got very much publicity, especially the "French case"

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/09-03-2011/117120-russians_abroad-0/

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/10-02-2011/116845-russian_mothers_abroad-0/



Is this a classic case of the press focusing on a minority issue, or a slice of truth? 

[Patagonie]

Patagonie, what do you think about «Juvenile Justice»?

Here are some "RW cases" that have got very much publicity, especially the "French case"

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/09-03-2011/117120-russians_abroad-0/

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/10-02-2011/116845-russian_mothers_abroad-0/



Is this a classic case of the press focusing on a minority issue, or a slice of truth? 

I have had just a look on it and i have found a story quite different than the link you sent me.
The summary : After the separation en 1996 the children had been entrust to her mother, in France for two years (nov 98). Parents struggling each others (violences on daughter) the court decided to put the child in a foster home. Quite logic if you want to protect the children in such case, not knowing who is hurting precisely the daughter.
In this complicated story some things are weirds : why the daughter stayed so long in the family designed by law if the father was ok and not the mother or vice versa ?
nevertheless in 2006 she tried to fire husband's flet (In France try to fire or fire is punished by exactly the same offence, maximum 10 years of jail - she got three).
She had crossed the red line. Her extradition in Russia followed by the free pardon of  russian president is in my opinion, a way for France to find a political solution and for the mother and also to minimize conflict with russian citizens.

Across these personnals stories the basic is that childrens cannot leave a country without the agreement of both parents. Since 2010 The Familial judge himself can prevent exit of France to judiciary authorities, before 2010 one of the parents was able to ask the same previously. For a french divorced woman i know, with two childrens it happens the same, she would have been relocated in an old colonial french island (french territory but very far), without the agreement of the father she had not been allowed by civil court, the principle is to let the right to the father to visit his childrens.
The principle for europe countries is that more easy to prevent the illegal relocation of a children rather than to find him when he has disappeared in a country which don't offer the same laws guarantee for the family (Russia is not the only country involved, for french women married with mueslim citizens, for example).

But i want to calm every FSU women, when i read this "This Russophobia is apparent in Finland. It happens here that the children taken away from their Russian mothers are intimidated in every way and are forced to renounce their native language and get punished when they say words in Russian." it makes me laugh. There are no russophobia in my country. French people are not the most open minded, whith some type of population for which they can develop a "country"phobia but not with russian especially. And for a father today, to gather a court against a mother, mean a hard struggle. Do you think really that 90 % of women would ask divorce (yes in 90 of case it's women who ask divorce here) if they are sure to lose parental authority ? They get it in at least in 85%.

I'm not a lawyer so please don't imagine that i can reply to sophisticad questions as this type of problem are for very specialized lawers. And judge personnal stories is the job of court.