FSU women and marriage regulations

[Viking456]

If one wants to marry an attractive woman from for example the Ukraine, is it likely that she'd agree to a marriage regulation?

I have spent quite some energy and time to build up some savings and it would be annoying to lose half that after one or two years of marriage if she chose to file for a divorce.

I would like something where, in a divorce, I kept all my savings and investments that I had before the marriage.

Anything we earned from wages e.t.c. after the marriage could be split equally.

Would such a thing be a deal breaker for many women?

[Lily]

Is it not correct that everything that you had before your marriage will not be shared in case of divorce? Divorcing spouses have to share only the assets that they have accumulated after the marriage, as far as my understanding goes.

On the question - it depends very much on the individual. Some would likely agree, some would likely not.

[Kuna]

I think it depends very much on the individuals - including you, not just her.

1. Some people feel like it's having one foot in the marriage and one foot out. 

2. If you decide you're going to ask for such arrangements,  be careful about when and how you raise it.  Too early and you'll just look greedy and/or suspicious... too late and it's unfair to not have disclosed this "condition" earlier.

3. I didn't bother with any sort of prenup to protect pre-marital assets because I (we) were planning children and I feel that changes the dynamics a lot.  If the lady was mature age, and with her own children I would act differently than if the lady was younger and we had children together. (i.e. together or not, I would want my children to have the best I could provide)

4. If the lady is older there is a good chance she is going to have her own assets (apartment).  One assumes any pre-nup would protect her assets as well???

5. Check the legality of pre-nups your jurisdiction.  My understanding is that they are worthless in some places.

All the best.

[Viking456]

4. If the lady is older there is a good chance she is going to have her own assets (apartment).  One assumes any pre-nup would protect her assets as well???

Yes of course. That'd be reasonable.

[Donna_Pedro]

Its my understanding that only assets acquired during marriage are subject for division in case of divorce.  As a general rule, I would say, It would be stupid to sign any legal document the contents of which you don’t fully understand. Simple translation does not quite cut it. In order for a girl to understand what it implies, she would have to talk to a Russian-speaking independent American lawyer who could explain to her what this pre-nup really means and what consequences it entails and help her negotiate better terms.  To the other hand, the more desperate a girl is the more agreeable she is. So may be you wouldn’t need a Russian-speaking American lawyer.

[Faux Pas]

If one wants to marry an attractive woman from for example the Ukraine, is it likely that she'd agree to a marriage regulation?

I have spent quite some energy and time to build up some savings and it would be annoying to lose half that after one or two years of marriage if she chose to file for a divorce.

I would like something where, in a divorce, I kept all my savings and investments that I had before the marriage.

Anything we earned from wages e.t.c. after the marriage could be split equally.

Would such a thing be a deal breaker for many women?

So you want your cake and eat it too? What is subject to community property varies by state. The thing here viking is to find a woman with whom you love, trust and are willing to give her everything you have because it may come to that.


Most generally, assets acquired during the marriage is considered community property. Keep in mind this also includes any of your retirement and other savings she may not contribute directly too.


To answer your question more directly, good luck with that. Yes, certainly you could find such women but, then that opens up a whole 'nother pandora's box. You'd have to question her motivations for doing so. Would your pre-nupt make provisions for her, guaranteed payment and assets if the marriage did fail? Is it adequate? Is it profitable just to marry you and then cash out?


My advice is to stay away from such notions. Let love, marriage and if involved, divorce take it's course. Concentrate on building a lifelong loving relationship, get out of the defensive mode. Women will smell it on you like bad body odor. There's many here that will disagree on this and there have been several threads in the past on this subject. Do a search and check them out

[Muzh]

My advice is to stay away from such notions. Let love, marriage and if involved, divorce take it's course. Concentrate on building a lifelong loving relationship, get out of the defensive mode.

Kind of hard to do when you have divorced before you get married.   

[Chicagoguy]

In my thinking people might want to take into account how much their assets are. If you believe they are substantial and maybe you have children from a previous marriage you should have a will which explains things clearly. A lawyer now might be cheaper than a lawyer later.

[Faux Pas]

Kind of hard to do when you have divorced before you get married.   

I'd be lying if I said I didn't give this some considerable thought before I ever set foot in Russia the first time. It would seem to be a natural thought and reaction. I finally came to the conclusion that if the woman isn't worth giving everything you own, why marry her in the first place? At the end of the day it's just replaceable "stuff" and money. Worse case is, she gets half of it. I imagine when one looks a bit closer at themselves and what they own, they should be lucky to find a woman willing to take half of it.  

[kmin]

You could simply take all the money you have and spend it on the wedding and honeymoon. 

Than you don't have to worry about it anymore.

"There is nothing in the world faster than a rich man's worry"

[GQBlues]

.... I imagine when one looks a bit closer at themselves and what they own, they should be lucky to find a woman willing to take half of it.    

LOL! Now, THAT's funny!
 
For me personally, I could give a hoot if wifey ended with half, or even most of what I own as long as she lets me keep my Cleveland 3-wood, 52 degree wedge, and Rossie putter...
 
Everything else is replaceable.

[mendeleyev]

So you want your cake and eat it too? What is subject to community property varies by state. The thing here viking is to find a woman with whom you love, trust and are willing to give her everything you have because it may come to that.

+ 1,000 to you and Muzh.


She gives up job, family, home, country, culture, language, and everything she knows for which she has also invested a lot of time and energy to "bet the farm" that it works out long term while you are out the cost of travel and wedding expenses if things don't work out?

Don't bother, marry close to home. 


On a somewhat related note the lovely and talented Mrs Mendeleyeva likes to say that any Russian woman has the ability to make any man a millionaire...if at first he is a billionaire. 

[Gator]

For me personally, I could give a hoot if wifey ended with half, or even most of what I own as long as she lets me keep my Cleveland 3-wood, 52 degree wedge, and Rossie putter...

You better replace that Cleveland 3-wood with a Taylor Made Rocketballz 3W or your buddies will pass you.  15-20 more yards based on unauthorized sneak preview.  Authorized trials include Sean O'Hair who hit it 300 yds.  Available for purchase in February. 
 

Everything else is replaceable.

If you work and don't mind starting over.  Aren't those who work possibly facing alimony in addition to redistribution of assets?
 
Better to choose a wife wisely and carefully and continue to work on your relationship.   

[GQBlues]

You better replace that Cleveland 3-wood with a Taylor Made Rocketballz 3W or your buddies will pass you.  15-20 more yards based on unauthorized sneak preview.  Authorized trials include Sean O'Hair who hit it 300 yds.  Available for purchase in February.

I rocked one 273 off the deck not too long ago and had since leveled to a high average of 255-260. I reckon O'Hair & Co. more than likely have about a 10 MPH faster swing speed than I can ever muster so I better take my lumps and be happy with the 2 -halfers on T3s for now. With the exception of my putter, I just love my Clevelands. T1s to 60...
 

If you work and don't mind starting over.  Aren't those who work possibly facing alimony in addition to redistribution of assets?
 
Better to choose a wife wisely and carefully and continue to work on your relationship.

 
Which, for the most part is what I did, I suppose. Especially based on wifey's rapid professional career. I certainly won't be surprised if she levels, or even surpass, my earning power soon. Heck, she may even have to pay me alimony if she keeps up with her progress (not kidding). That's another reason why I am so surprised why men are so threathened by career-oriented AWs. Wifey's one smart cookie although not as sexy as me...
 
Wifey can potentially be a nice retirement investment for me...

[Viking456]

+ 1,000 to you and Muzh.


She gives up job, family, home, country, culture, language, and everything she knows for which she has also invested a lot of time and energy to "bet the farm" that it works out long term while you are out the cost of travel and wedding expenses if things don't work out?

Don't bother, marry close to home. 


On a somewhat related note the lovely and talented Mrs Mendeleyeva likes to say that any Russian woman has the ability to make any man a millionaire...if at first he is a billionaire. 

So you want your cake and eat it too?"

 Yes exactly. And if I can, then why not.

She would get half of the income of our work incomes. And If we'd buy an apartment which we paid off with our wages she'd get half of that. Same as if she married a man with a normal job but no savings.

These things are balanced by the supply and demand of men/women.

If it is a win win situation it should be OK even if it isn't fair. I.e. if her situation gets better by marrying me even though there is a marriage regulation it should be OK morally speaking.

And who says it would be fair for her to get half the savings that I gathered myself, before I met her, if we were to separate.

[mendeleyev]

These things are balanced by the supply and demand of men/women.

Really? Who is to put the value on love?

Are you looking for love and a lifetime partner, or a roommate?

And who says it would be fair for her to get half the savings that I gathered myself, before I met her, if we were to separate.

Your perspective is on your savings. Marriage with love involved is always 100-100, never 50-50. It is also a win-win equally for both.

Nobody, self included, said it would be fair for her to get what you've accumulated. If marriage was about fairness nobody would get married.

I'll repeat myself: She gives up job, family, home, country, culture, language, and everything she knows for which she has also invested a lot of time and energy to "bet the farm" that it works out long term while you are out the cost of travel and wedding expenses if things don't work out?

What is the value of the lifetime she has accumulated? I can see you have no idea nor have you thought of it.

If you are hoping that you can attract a woman based on supply and demand economics, then you'll get exactly what you're looking for.

[Donna_Pedro]

 Yes exactly. And if I can, then why not.

Thats true. But in order to do this one will have to dig deep. I am mean deep like in some very remote, poor Ukrainian village, where everybody is drunk, including the cattle, some desperate girl who wants out bad might agree to it. 

[Gator]

I rocked one 273 off the deck not too long ago and had since leveled to a high average of 255-260. I reckon O'Hair & Co. more than likely have about a 10 MPH faster swing speed than I can ever muster so I better take my lumps and be happy with the 2 -halfers on T3s for now. With the exception of my putter, I just love my Clevelands. T1s to 60...
 

273!  Low hook on a California sunbaked fairway?   Downhill in a tornado?    
 
Check the videos at the bottom of the webpage:
 
http://www.sirshanksalot.com/golf-news-and-rumors/30-golf-news-and-rumors/1797-taylormade-launches-rocketballz
 
You heard it here.   
 
 
 

[TheTraveler]

Had I the slightest inkling that a prenup was necessary... I wouldn't have married the girl in the first place.

[GQBlues]

273!  Low hook on a California sunbaked fairway?   Downhill in a tornado?    
 
Check the videos at the bottom of the webpage:
 
http://www.sirshanksalot.com/golf-news-and-rumors/30-golf-news-and-rumors/1797-taylormade-launches-rocketballz
 
You heard it here.

LOL. No, actually it followed a puny 244 yard drive! Still 31 yards short of the green. Closing hole at Woodley Lakes, Par 5. Anthony Kim's home course. Wide open fun city practice course. It's actually a massive detention basin for the San Fernando Valley. By the afternoon, the tee boxes get so soggy because of the repeated traffic agitating the groundwater underneath, LOL.
 

 
It's actually still logged-in in my uPro stat. I still remember the feeling hitting that puppy. It was almost as good as sex, man.
 
The TM looks good but I'm customed fitted with my sticks and just plain lovin' them.
 
Anyway, OP, there's an old member here that went by the handle 'Ambach'. He also maintained the significance of a pre-nup. Got hell for it mostly but did apparently got married and are happily living in the US with wife and a new baby. Maybe you ought to send him a PM if you so desire...

[Patagonie]

Troll : i always have my Callaway 10 degrees. When i was practising i was shooting at 275 yarsd in average and one time i shooted at 310.  The main problem was to keep the ball straight  if not 

[Turboguy]

I can't say I have ever had a golf shot that was as good as sex.  Well maybe a few shots compared to some of the worst sex. 
 
When it comes to golf distance was usually a lot stronger part of my game than "straight".  That was the bad part.  You could really get deep into the woods.  I did have two par 4's that I drove past the pin.  One was 325 and the other about 390 but the last 100 yards on that one was all downhill.  Still I have only seen one other golfer drive that last one.  Typically however 250 was a good drive for me.  Actually anything in the fairway was a good drive for me.

[Faux Pas]

I can't say I have ever had a golf shot that was as good as sex.  Well maybe a few shots compared to some of the worst sex. 
 

Obviously, you've never hit an ace? 

[ML]

This topic of prenup was subject to a very long thread started by TigerPaws as I recall.

Interesting thing is you can readily identify the relative wealth of the fellas here by the side of the fence they come down on in their posts.   

[Faux Pas]

This topic of prenup was subject to a very long thread started by TigerPaws as I recall.

Interesting thing is you can readily identify the relative wealth of the fellas here by the side of the fence they come down on in their posts. 

Really? Care to explain your theory?