another suspicious website: elenasmodels.com

[Todd]

I think Dragonfly has captured the risk for women that I was trying to get at.  For me, loss of time is a real risk.  Also, emotional investment can create real hurt...especially for women just starting out.  One thing that really struck me about dating was how much things change for women post 30 in the US.  I understand from Kate that the pressure is even greater in the FSU for women.  She kiddingly refers to herself as an "old married woman".  She is all of 25. 

[dragonfly]

I am not in a relationship now. Frankly, I am tired of internet search.

I had experience with elenasmodels too. I met 2 men and was disappointed.

The first English man visited Kiev and had good time there at my expense. I mean I paid for many things instead him. It was the last case of my sincere hospitality.  

The next English man said me after we met in Kiev he is MARRIED. He said he had divorce but something happened with legality of his divorce, he had no idea about it... I decided I can be patient with his divorce and I will be waiting for it. But events of the next months gave me a notice the man has a lot of psychological problems and I am not ready to share my life with this kind of man. And maybe his story about might-have-beed divorce is egregious lie! As you know, I had already experience with married man and I am not sure I am ready for new trauma. Elenasmodels agency gives promise to women to check men. But the only control is PAYMENT. Men pay and nothing else matters. I can understand it. The agency does business.

I used americansingles too. And I was not delighted with it. I had a lot of cases when sick men contacted to me. I am not against nice talk via instant messenger but I don't like when men say me they are going to lick my body and tell about their sex preferences. In my opinion, it is very private topics to discuss it with the first comer.

I use eHarmony now. But all I have is several new friends.  I think western men who use eHarmony look for local ladies but not for women from FSU. And maybe no-one Russian or Ukrainian man uses it.

 

[dragonfly]

Todd, can you explain about women post 30?

[525i]

Hi dragonfly,

I am so sorry that you have had such bad luck with foreign men. Two married guys and one man had a good time with your expense! There are many decent and FREE guys out there. I hope you will not lose hope.

I used eHarmony long time ago, but I noticed that it has mostly American women. I think there was only one FSU woman that was a match with me, but I did not get interested. It would be interesting to know would you be a match with me by their algorithms. They asked a lot of questions!

[Louie]

eHarmony is definitely geared toward local people, I think FSU women will not have much luck with this site, as well as European men.

[dragonfly]

[user=266]525i[/user] wrote:

Hi dragonfly,

I am so sorry that you have had such bad luck with foreign men. Two married guys and one man had a good time with your expense! There are many decent and FREE guys out there. I hope you will not lose hope.

I used eHarmony long time ago, but I noticed that it has mostly American women. I think there was only one FSU woman that was a match with me, but I did not get interested. It would be interesting to know would you be a match with me by their algorithms. They asked a lot of questions!

 

Yes, they asked a lot of questions. But I am not sure their algorithms are completely correct. I can tell about my experience. It took several hours to answer their questions. I was in earnest about the web site. I know the sence of psychological inquirers. Even if you are going to tell lies, you become tired in time and answer questions frankly.  For example, I was waiting for papers about my divorce and I knew I am divorced, I had court decision but I had no bill of divorce. And when after all answers for eHarmony questions I had to give an answer about my marital status, I choose selection "separated". 1. I wanted to be honest (even if I didn't live with my husband a long time). 2. I was too tired to think about eHarmony is for SINGLE people only. So I got ready result about my personality but I got the notice I have no right to use this web site because I am not single.  So the next time I was not so concentrated about my answers for their questions and I didn't use dictionary so intensive to translate difficult English words. In my opinion, my personality on eHarmony can differ from my real personality. But who knows. In addition, I surmise all members of eHarmony are real ANGELS.  I met no-one bad man there (I mean reading of their profiles and description of their personalities).  

I want to tell about Elenasmodels agency more. I dont know what kind of promises they give to men. Would you like to know how they check and control women? I will tell about my experience, ok? After I created profile, I was waiting near 3 or 4 days until manager will check it and my photos. Then manager phoned me. I was waiting for bill of divorce (It was the same time when I tried to use eHarmony the first time) and I said about it. She asked me to send her copies of my documents when I will have it and copy of my passport too. And after it I had calls from her time to time but I was too lazy to send copies of my documents and poor manager despaired of success...maybe.  Then I deleted my profile but I decided to create another one in time. I did the same...I created profile and was waiting for manager's call. And she phoned me. But it was another girl. She asked to send her copies of my documents. But I was angry with the agency because me experience with married English man. And I said her:"My dear, you want to check information about me. But, by the way, what do you know about men who use your agency? I had a chance to communicate with married man who writes he is divorced!" She said NOTHING. And after our talk she rang up in 3 minutes and asked me very hard to send copies of my documents because she needs to be sure I am not scammer!  I promised to do it but I told lie.  I know I am not scammer and it is no matter what opinion agency has about me. They want to protect men and to show they are good agency for men. It has nothing in common with MY protection.

So... If I would to work as scammer, I can use Elenasmodels easy! What do I need for it? I have to create profile, to have a talk with their representative using telephone...and wish me good luck, guys! It was an example, no more. I want to let you to know what way scammers can use Elenasmodels.

[Killer-B]

She asked to send her copies of my documents. But I was angry with the agency because me experience with married English man. And I said her:"My dear, you want to check information about me. But, by the way, what do you know about men who use your agency?

I too am sorry for your bad experiences Dragonfly - But, with the new US Law regulating MOB. actually, agencies like Elena's WILL have more information about us (USA men) now....

Cheers...

Killer-B

[dragonfly]

[user=505]Killer-B[/user] wrote:

...agencies like Elena's WILL have more information about us (USA men) now....

Cheers...

Killer-B

 I hope....
 

[Bruno]

[color="blue"][size="3"]...agencies like Elena's WILL have more information about us (USA men) now....[/size][/color]

[color="blue"][size="3"]Cheers...[/size][/color]

[color="blue"][size="3"]Killer-B[/size][/color]

 I hope....
 
[/quote]

Not sure that it will be better... this new system can give a false inpression of security....

Agency relay on what the men write when he submit his data... and on the US criminal database... so, if the man have never know case of domestic violence or other crime, when agency will check the database all will be good...

So a man can lie about his marital status, meet you, enjoy sex and drop you for the next woman...

This new law is working in case of marriage ( or fiancee K1 )... it don't protect against sex tourist...

[dragonfly]

 
Not sure that it will be better... this new system can give a false inpression of security....

Agency relay on what the men write when he submit his data... and on the US criminal database... so, if the man have never know case of domestic violence or other crime, when agency will check the database all will be good...

So a man can lie about his marital status, meet you, enjoy sex and drop you for the next woman...

This new law is working in case of marriage ( or fiancee K1 )... it don't protect against sex tourist...

 

It sounds "nice". :X 

[catzenmouse]

In my opinion, this law is very poorly written and as the oversite/enforcement of the law is by a government agency (the same folks that have brought us USCIS and its new parent, Homeland Security) so that in itself will make it a worthless law and a joke. It is another case of someone creating a law to appease some portion of the population that has no substance in reality. The only people it will help will be the lawyers of the marriage agencies who will get paid a lot to figure out what these agencies have to do to follow the new law.

Ken

[Louie]

I couldn't agree with you more, whats makes this so much of a farce is that any information a person wants on another person is easily obtained thru the freedom of information act, the only thing this piece of legislation has done is make it so much more confusing for us to deal with, and make the attorneys happy, I'll bet the lawyers in our country must just have a huge laugh at the politicians and every time they pass a law like this they say, here is another one Cha-Ching!!!!

[Aleksia]

Dragonfly, I am not sure why are you so angry with this agency, but I can tell you that most of the agencies are working the same way.

Why are they on the man's side?

Because men are their paid clients, and they have responsibilities towards them.

A woman just added her profile, free of charge. In general, they do not owe her anything. They gave her an opportunity to publish her profile. To use this or not - it's up to her. If she does not like it - she can find hundreds of other agencies.

If you want to be treated the same way as men, you can look for a paid agency, who is also charging women. In this case you will have the same rights as male-members.

Is it fair? Not, but this is a business. Like everything else.

You can find a lot of people who are satisfied with the agency in question and who are not. Again, like in any business.

 

I am sorry to hear that you had so bad luck so far, but believe me, to find your soul mate you have to go through a lot of bad experiences. Things are not easy, especially with Internet relationship.

 

[Albert]

any information a person wants on another person is easily obtained thru the freedom of information act,

Really??  I find this hard to believe.  We can find out salaries, how many children, eating habits, sexual habits, favorite movie, etc., thru FIA.  Quite amazing.

[Albert]

I am sorry to hear that you had so bad luck so far, but believe me, to find your soul mate you have to go through a lot of bad experiences. Things are not easy, especially with Internet relationship.  

Aleksia, I am not aware that things are any more easy when you try to find a mate without using the Internet.  I am assuming you are talking about the bad experiences before immigration problems begin.

Aside from fact of arranging actual meetings when persons live in different countries or different cities within your home country (and the immigration problems which begin later,) why do you think Internet relationships are any more difficult than non-Internet relationships?

I find Internet relationships are a very easy and efficient way to go.  Much time is saved in the screening process as compared to going on hundreds of first dates with people you meet in the traditional way in your home city.

[Aleksia]

Albert, I still think that in a real life things are easier.

Let's see on Internet relationship.

You have seen a girl you like and you begin a correspondence process. You do not see her, so you can not be really sure that she likes you. You have just her words.

You have just her words about her appearance, as very often pictures and a real person are very different. Believe me; I have seen it. When you see a woman in a real life, it's always a body language, which tells you a lot.

Here, in Internet, you have to trust to somebody you do not really know yet.

OK, you spent months for the communication and at last you meet a person.

Will the chemistry appear for both of you? Maybe not! No matter how much do you like each other.

Will you find a common language in the real life? Who knows….

Look what happened twice with Dragonfly. In the first case, if the guy would be in her own town, she will understand things are wrong after one-two meetings.

Let's think you have been lucky and everything worked out for you and a lady and the process of paper work begins. It's a lot of money, nervous, bureaucracy again.

You went through all that and you still in love with each other.

Other troubles begin - learning a language, adjusting to a new life, searching new job, etc, etc.

Again, here you begin to spend with this person you love, 24 hours a day and small things appear, as bad habits that might irritate you or her, etc. etc.

I have a lot of clients married in different countries, have a lot of stories. Of course, most of them are happy, they are still married, but somebody divorced because of the pressure of circumstances.

You must really love each other; very much, to overcome all these.

A couple of examples.

Norway. A client of mine got married. She is from Moscow, he is from Norway.

She could not take her daughter at once with her. Had to wait several months. She is from a big city, he is living in a small place. After 3 months of marriage she is leaving to Moscow to visit her girl, never comes back. Explanation - I can not live in a so small place.

If they would try to live with each other for some month, it would not happen.

The way out here - to make a fiancée visa, but the problem is -most of the men and women are so much in love each other, they do not want to wait so long time, they want to be together at once!

Another example. USA.

A very good client of mine, after 2 years we still keep a contact with him. He is very responsible, visited a girl several times before he actually married her. Things were fine. She is relocating to USA. Problems begin. She cannot adjust. Does not like USA, neighbors, his family. She wants to spend more money, he can afford, and she misses her family.

At the end they worked out things, he still loves her, but totally exhausted from the problems and fixing things.

Of course, I took just negative sides of Internet relationship.

Does it worth it?

YES, I truly believe it does! I have a lot of happy marriages, mine included.

But I think, before beginning the whole search process, both parts have to understand what they are doing and what they can expect.

[Rvrwind]

Aleksia wrote:

But I think, before beginning the whole search process, both parts have to understand what they are doing and what they can expect.

That Darlin', is the whole purpose of these message boards, hopefully to educate the people involved in the pitfalls of this adventure as well as the successes. I, for one, like the fact that the ladies have a board now where they can air their veiws as well. Sometimes it gets a little rediculous & almost bashing all men but all in all, no different than what goes on here.

International Dating whether it be over te internet or not, is not easy. Hell these days dating in your own country isn't easy, especially in the west. But internationaly adds a whole new bunch of problems to overcome. Hopefully most men & women who are serious (I leave out the keyboard Romeo's as they are just perverts & losers anyway) find these & educate themselves on how to be successful. Sure we read horror stories & about bad relationships or relationships that didn't work. Thats to be expected, even with dating in your own country, only with international dating the chances of failure are increased expodentialy.

Hopefully those who find their way to these boards find the help & support they need to make it work. Myself & many others here who have succeeded are always willing to help in any way we can, for free!!! That is the value of these boards & that value should be used to the utmost to educate those involved in this process.

I too keep in touch with those who I have helped find each other & nothing gives me greater pleaure than to see those I brought together add children to their families & to grow as a family. It is my biggest thrill & the main reason I continue to do what I do, even with all the critism & negative attitude out there about this buisness.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner[/size][/font]

[Turboguy]

Dragonfly, first, it is very sad that you have run into the bad experieces you have.  I am sure it would be very discouraging.   I do think you just had a run of bad luck.  I think married men are not common in this.  I have known a lot of guys who were hunting for a foreign wife and I have never had one confide in me that he was married.  Don't get discouraged.  I really think the guys that are married would be well under 1% so with any luck it will never happen again.  For most married men they would have a hard time carring on a relationship with an FSU women if they were married and trying to hide it from their wives.  It would almost have to be a European man or someone who traveled there regularly on business.

I tried eHarmony too for a while.  It was not a good experience for me.  I think Dr whoeverheis needs to work on his sytems some more.  Actaully on my first match I thought they might be sucessful only because I like to golf and they matched me with a gal who liked to golf.   I met that one for coffee and really did not think we had anything else in common.    I met my second match for coffee too and she was a really nice lady.  I happened to notice as she left the restaurant that she had a hard time fitting her behind through the doors and it was a "double" door.  The gal probably hit 400 pounds or for dragonfly 190kg.  

I also don't think eHarmony does much with FSU women.  I have never tried it but I think Match.com might but I wonder if that might change with the new laws.

I also think it is unusual to meet a man and have him wanting you to pay for much.  I think most of the guys just go into this expecting to pick up the costs.   I think it is more common when AM and AW are meeting but never good.   I am sorry that happened to you but hopefully it will never happen again.

Moving on, as far as the parts about men bearing most of the risk (financially).  I don't agree with that.  I think in most cases it is true.  I think there are times that women give up a good job that they will not be able to replace, sometimes they have to sell an apartment that will represent a sizalbe loss if things don't work out and they have to go back.

I can look at my own situation from last year when I did the fiancee visa with the gal from N. Novgorod that has been talked about here a lot.   She has never recovered from it financially.   She had been working in a jewlery workshop.  She liked her job and made $ 200.00 a month which was not bad for N.N.  To come to me, she sold her tools and equipment.  She was a very honest and proud person and would not take money from me.   Her honesty was one of the things that attracted me to her.   When she was here and I knew things were not going to work out, I let her work for me in my business and paid her in cash.  I let her help with some projects and paid her in cash.   My best guess is when she went back to Russia she had at least $ 800.00 on her, which would have let her resume her life just fine. however,  She put it in her suitcase and in the Moscow train station someone stole her suitcase which had her money, the expensive digital camera I bought her, the expensive cell phone I bought her and all her clothes, mostly that I had bought for her.   I will add because of her pride she would not even tell me this happened.  She did tell my secretary in an E-mail and my secretary told me even though she was not supposed to.  We did communicate for a few months after she went back and when I finally told her I knew, I offered to send her money to help but she would not take it.  She is now working as a secretary in an office and making $ 100 a month and having a hard time getting by.  Her plans are to take a 6 month contract to work on an Oil rig in Finland so she will have enough money to buy her tools back.  When our communication ended I had told her I was sending $ 1000.00 by Western Union and if she did not want it they could have it and that Western Union probably needed new desks anyway.   She wrote back that I was crazy and has not written to me since.  That part is probably for the better, but I wish she would have taken the money.  I feel bad that I caused so many problems for her.

[catzenmouse]

I feel bad that I caused so many problems for her.

Turbo,

 You didn't cause problems for her. IIRC there was some unacceptance of things here on her part and maybe some unrealistic expectations on both sides.

Ken

[Voyageur]

Turbo,

I believe that you feel responsible for the situation with Luda. But I also believe that you did everything in your power to help her and move forward in your relationship, and that you were very decent throughout.  When I read the infrequent reports you wrote when Luda was here, I could understand how hard you were trying.

That being said, I can also understand how you you feel about disrupting a life of someone you (probably still) care about.  I hope everything works out for both of you.

[Bruce]

Louie, I do not know how many times you have been to the FSU.  My only advice is to you as well as others like you is to get on the plane and go over to a target rich environment and stop writing woman after woman for long periods of time.  

Its great you may have found a keeper but remember, its a new season once you get off the plane to meet any girl.  I can not understand why a guy would be writing a girl from any agency that has not personally met with a girl listed on their website.   I can not figure out how a guy would take a chance on a clearing house wife. 

Yet, so many guys go on the mega-sites and correspond with scammers, girls really ill-informed and not really interested in a foreigner or who are not ready to make the committment to leave their country as well as unregulated local girls working for small agencies as bait.   Yeah, they'll write you, talk to you and suck you into comming over to X,Y,Z sh&thole for a week or two - all for their cut from the $ you fork over to ABC agency as well as for whatever else they can suck out of you during and after your stay in their town. 

 

 

[bwaaderant]

I would highly recommend Elena's Models.  I used this site off and on for a couple of years until I found my Natasha.  I found them to be very helpful and very upfront about their women and what to look for to tell scammers from the women who actually wanted to meet someone.  It's funny, but my fiancee was the manager of another marriage agency but chose to use Elena's Models for her own search.

[Ooops]

  
I don't think so......

I've recently found a testimonial regarding dating service on elenasmodels.com

which says that Elena Petrova is running two sites, elenasmodels.com (elenas models) and womenrussia.com.

She is said to run down all legitimate agencies while propping up her own one.

Moreover, she is believed to be closely aligned with agencyscams.com which is run by Alexey Ivanov known as "Jim", a convicted hacker from St. Petersburg

 
Here is the link to the report

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff93186.htm

 

[Turboguy]

To me I care much more about the comments (good or bad) of the guys actually using the service and far less about some stupid intenet report about who she is friends with or how many agencies she owns.

I have been a platinum member of Elenas two times and both times I definately got my moneys worth and from my dealings they run their business honestly and professionally.  I would recomment them totally to anyone.

Maybe my membership was even a lucky charm.  I did not end up meeting someone special to me through their agency but I had tons of quailifed women who were pretty, nice and sincere and a good rate of response.  The lucky charm part was that both times I have been a member I have had to stop using my membership early because I met someone another way.

[Jack]

I don't know who oopps is but I think some of his information is wrong.
 
Honest Jim from antiscam is not any Alexy Ivanov. I don't know where oopps can get such crazy information and as such I would suggest that oopps try to prove such a crazy statement, I don't think he can. I think Honest Jim is a Canadian living in Samara and do not think he is working with any Russian entity.