Realistic Expectations

[sniper]

I'm from Alabama. White people in the city where I live are in the minority. The murder rate is #6 out of the top 25 most dangerous cities in America, when I last checked. (You could read Jared Taylor's "The Color of Crime," if you believe there is a correlation between minorities and crime rates, but it would be un-PC, and I'd probably get banned, if I addressed his findings here).  I grew up in a rural area. Come from a poor background. By no means am I rich. I wish I made 200k!
 
When you talk about "white trash," do you mean rich "white trash" or poor "white trash"? To me, "white trash" are simply whites who are racially apathetic to their tribe.  For example, white businessmen who hire non-white illegal aliens and put their fellow whites out of work are "white trash," because they are apathetic to the plight of other working class whites.
 
I've been to El Paso. Buddy's Beer Barn is great and so is Carlos and Mickey's.
 
As far as crime and racial problems go, I agree with you 100%: America sucks in that regard. If I had the means and language skills I'd move. But as far as having better privileges (what some people call "rights"), America offers better opportunities for advancement and personal freedoms than Russia. but the advantage Russia has is that it is racially homogenous and there are shared cultural values. America is losing that.
 
It will be interesting to see where Russia is in the next 20 years, because the vast natural resources (which are the people's oil and natural gas) should improve the geopolitical power of Russia and the standard of living. But I imagine greedy oligarchs (rich white trash) will keep the spoils to themselves and the divide between rich and poor will only grow.
 
Just as a sidenote: I currently know a Russian who lives in a trailer. What is wrong with living in a trailer? This woman also from a major Russian city.
 
Anyway, you're preaching to the choir, because I like Russia a lot. Always have. I like America a lot too. I probably like Russia more than most Russians, but I've never been there, and I admit that I am largely ignorant of daily life over there. I do like that when I talk to Russians, they seem more racially concious and not afraid to speak their minds, as opposed to white Americans who are very cowardly.
   

Ok. So Alabama. So not LALAland but AAland. I thought you were from West Hollywood or Manhattan.
When I say white trash I mean those who live in trailers. And get engagement rings at WalMart with 6months financing. So I mean poor white trash. I dont want to sound like rich spoiled girl, but in my opinion living in a trailer is....um...well lets say I would probably kill myself if I saw my kids living in a trailer. Or getting engagement ring at Walmart. Its just that if you think that its fine to live in a trailer we have very very very different views on whats decent life. No offense to those who live in trailers.
I meant Russians in Russia dont live in trailers.
So my family is middle-class back there in Russia,( we traveled, we had 2 cars, we were eating out, I never had to get shoes and purses at WalMart type of stores) and I simply dont understand when people say Russia sucks. It just sucks as much as USA if you dont have rich parents and dont want to work hard towards your goals.
Eh...daily life there...As I mentioned before, if you have money, life is fine ANYWHERE, if you dont life kinda sucks pretty much anywhere too. Though if I were poor I would prefer to be poor in USA, where (for some unknown reason) people who work hard have to pay ridiculous taxes to feed those lazy people

[jeff9556]

... the advantage Russia has is that it is racially homogenous and there are shared cultural values. America is losing that.

I'm not even from America and even I know it has NEVER BEEN racially homogenous.

Neither is Russia, seems you may have never heard of the Caucasians, or the Tartars etc.

[GQBlues]

...And get engagement rings at WalMart with 6months financing. So I mean poor white trash. I dont want to sound like rich spoiled girl, but in my opinion living in a trailer is....um...well lets say I would probably killed myself if I saw my kids living in a trailer. Or get engagement ring at Walmart. Its just that if you think that its fine to live in a trailer we have very very very different views on whats decent life. I meant Russians in Russia dont live in trailers.

So my family is middle-class back there in Russia,( we traveled, we had 2 cars, we were eating out, I never had to get shoes and purses at WalMart type of stores) and I simply dont understand when people say Russia sucks. It just sucks as much as USA if you dont have rich parents and dont want to work hard towards your goals.

Whoooaaa! Wait a second now. It wasn't too long ago folks were saying that RWs should appreciate being brought to the US, even if their hubby took them to garage sales (not those high-end boutique like the GAP or probably even Walmart) for their $50.00/mo clothing allowance, as this is a step-up for them (!?) Apparently, any RWs who don't see the value in this type of life should not be trusted because they are not sincere in their intentions and weren't moving to Amerika for looooove.
 
Is this not true?
 

Eh...daily life there...As I mentioned before, if you have money, life is fine ANYWHERE, if you dont life kinda sucks pretty much anywhere too. Though if I were poor I would prefer to be poor in USA, where (for some unknown reason) people who work hard have to pay ridiculous taxes to feed those lazy people

They're not lazy, mind you...just momentarily unfortunate and lifelong entitled. But they vote! Man, they come out like roaches during election times in the millions. Heck, even the disabled gets to run to the polls, even tripling over each other in the process...

[sniper]

Whoooaaa! Wait a second now. It wasn't too long ago folks were saying that RWs should appreciate being brought to the US, even if their hubby took them to garage sales (not those high-end boutique like the GAP or probably even Walmart) for their $50.00/mo clothing allowance, as this is a step-up for them (!?) Apparently, any RWs who don't see the value in this type of life should not be trusted because they are not sincere in their intentions and weren't moving to Amerika for looooove.
 
Is this not true?

Um...if my husband lived in trailer park in Alabama - NO I wouldnt marry him.

They're not lazy, mind you...just momentarily unfortunate and lifelong entitled. But they vote! Man, they come out like roaches during election times in the millions. Heck, even the disabled gets to run to the polls, even tripling over each other in the process...

Um...ok)I Know nothing about elections.

[Donna_Pedro]

I agree, many married RM are great, loving fathers and husbands,

Yep, if you manage to pluck them while they are still "green". We do have gender-disproportional population in Russia. Men die more often than women. They drink excessively and it runs deep in our culture. Men get themselves killed a lot. Back in 90s a considerable amount of men of my generation were killed in mafia wars. There is simply not enough men! And they know about it and it affects their attitude a lot. Women are competing for good men and I got tired to compete.  I want to live in a society where women have thrown men off the pedestal.

[GQBlues]

Um...if my husband lived in trailer park in Alabama - NO I wouldnt marry him.

So is it safe to say then you must not really love your hubby? What if the trailer park is in Canada? Would that make a difference and make you loooove your hubby then?

[GQBlues]

I'm not even from America and even I know it has NEVER BEEN racially homogenous.

It was once Jeff. Circa pre-Columbus period.

[sniper]

So is it safe to say then you must not really love your hubby? What if the trailer park is in Canada? Would that make a difference and make you loooove your hubby then?

IDK. I do love him. But I wouldnt go from good life in Russia(which I had) to crappy life only because of love. I would never live in a trailer park whatever the location is. Not my level.
I never said that Russian girls marry foreigners only because of love and NOTHING else. I was always saying that its killing two birds with one stone. Love+Opportunities.

[GQBlues]

IDK. I do love him. But I wouldnt go from good life in Russia(which I had) to crappy life only because of love. I would never live in a trailer park whatever the location is. Not my level.
I never said that Russian girls marry foreigners only because of love and NOTHING else. I was always saying that its killing two birds with one stone. Love+Opportunities.

No, I know you didn't say or imply that...but that is the once prevalent sentiment expressed here that if RWs coming to Amerikii (or is it Amerika?) have other nefarious reason than pure looooove, then it means she's insincere and happiness will never find the address for true love...
 
Would you be happy with hubby if you found out that you can only spend $50.00/mo for clothes and you can only buy them at garage sales (you've seen those, haven't you?) once you got here?

[jeff9556]

It was once Jeff. Circa pre-Columbus period.

I kind assumed he was talking about post-Columbus modern America. That said, I don't think that even per-Colombian America could be called homogeneous. There were at least 7 distinct cultural divisions and there was certainly more than one migration across the Beringia land bridge. Inuit live in Alaska and have done for a very long time, they are not Indian.

This is going way off topic

BTW, Ed's OP was excellent.

[jeff9556]

IDK. I do love him. But I wouldnt go from good life in Russia(which I had) to crappy life only because of love. I would never live in a trailer park whatever the location is. Not my level.
I never said that Russian girls marry foreigners only because of love and NOTHING else. I was always saying that its killing two birds with one stone. Love+Opportunities.

I quite agree, although for me i would not be so much about opportunities (yet they are important), but more what you said first, about levels. I have a nice comfortable life, why on earth would I want to give that up and move half way around the world and live in a trailer?

Maybe trailer park man needs to chase homeless girl - at least a trailer might be a step up for her

[OlgaH]

GQBlues,

in my opinion a base of the relationship and marriage is sharing the same lifestyle and the same goals in the life. So, if a Russian woman doesn't mind to shop in the discount stores and at garage sales in Russia saving every penny, and she describes herself as frugal and it is her lifestyle, I think a man who shares the same ideas will be pretty happy with her, and they will be happy together.  Some people prefer the wild parties and nightclubs, some people prefer quiet evening and hiking, some people are city people and some people  love the rural life, and the most important to find a partner who shares the common ideas.

There are plenty of women in Russia who live in sh!thole places daily drinking with their husbands on social security money and they are happy in their own way. Though we most likely will not understand their happiness. 

[sniper]

Would you be happy with hubby if you found out that you can only spend $50.00/mo for clothes and you can only buy them at garage sales (you've seen those, haven't you?) once you got here?

Geeeez stop it pls  Everything was thoroughly discussed prior to me saying YES. And I think I mentioned I wouldnt go down (socially, financially) for ANY love of Any man in the whole entire world. Why you keep asking that? I DO NOT, NEVER DID and (hopefully) WILL NEVER have 50$/mo for clothes.
So what are you trying to say? I love my husband but it doesnt mean I dont care about the financial part. I do want to drive BMW, have a nice house with a pool, have 400$ shoes and 1000$ purses and I want my baby girl to study at one of Ivy League universities. And I do have a right for that, right? 

I quite agree, although for me i would not be so much about opportunities (yet they are important), but more what you said first, about levels. I have a nice comfortable life, why on earth would I want to give that up and move half way around the world and live in a trailer?

Maybe trailer park man needs to chase homeless girl - at least a trailer might be a step up for her

Exactly. I was just about to say that. Any homeless Russian girl would prolly be happy to live in a trailer in Alabama.

[OlgaH]

So what are you trying to say? I love my husband but it doesnt mean I dont care about the financial part. I do want to drive BMW, have a nice house with a pool, have 400$ shoes and 1000$ purses and I want my baby girl to study at one of Ivy League universities. And I do have a right for that, right? 

and a question would be what do you have and ready to put on the table to have it? 

[sniper]

and a question is also is what do you have and ready to put on the table to have it? 

Im halfway there Works fine so far.

[Eduard]

I eliminated many women during phone calls based on not having "chemistry." Perhaps they fit into one of these categories ("VERY negative thinking, bitchy, always unsatisfied personality....").  I don't know.  All I know was I did not want to meet them.  Two got past my screens.  It was bad, and a waste of time (and money).
 
I do not believe the FSU medical profession is good at diagnosing and treating psychological conditions such as clinical depression, bipolar disorders, etc.  These conditions are not rare in the human population, so it makes one wonder.   
 
I am with ML in that I don't believe you can detect such from reading brief profiles, especailly when everyone knows their profile should be pleasant and wonderful.

No Phil, these were forums, like this one, kinda. No reading profiles. I came to my conclusion by reading their posts over time, seeing how they react to other people's posts, etc. Just like here, on this forum you can pretty much spot a guy who's got issues, I could do the same on those Russian language forums.

[OlgaH]

Im halfway there Works fine so far.

I'm glad for you and wish you the best in your success. 

When I was hiring people my questions also were "what salary do you expect?" and "why do you think you deserve such salary?" 

There were some posts on Russian women entitlement attitude. Yes, we do have such women who expect a man to hand them a ready luxurious life on a silver platter for their pair of beautiful legs, or what is between legs. For some couples actually it works.

[Maxx2]

Back in 90s a considerable amount of men of my generation were killed in mafia wars. There is simply not enough men!

Wern't you a "gun moll" back then? 





Danny will know who this is.

[Maxx2]

Im halfway there Works fine so far.

What happens if hubby has a financial fall? The way the economy is going this is more of a possibility than ever.

[GQBlues]

GQBlues,

in my opinion a base of the relationship and marriage is sharing the same lifestyle and the same goals in the life. So, if a Russian woman doesn't mind to shop in the discount stores and at garage sales in Russia saving every penny, and she describes herself as frugal and it is her lifestyle, I think a man who shares the same ideas will be pretty happy with her, and they will be happy together.  Some people prefer the wild parties and nightclubs, some people prefer quiet evening and hiking, some people are city people and some people  love the rural life, and the most important to find a partner who shares the common ideas.

But OlgaH, aren't you now contradicting yourself considering you're amongst those who held reservation to other women's intention simply because the financial aspect of a man was deemed focal in her selection process? If the couple is 'happy' being together, aren't they sharing the same goal?
 
Even in the US today, women for the most part isn't yet on the level men are in terms of overall financial wealth. Does this mean that if AWs were concerned of a suitor's ability to support a family that she's automatically suspect?  If not, then why should a foreign woman not have the same concern?
 
Let me ask you a Q, would you be happy to shop garage sales every month not-to-exceed 50 bucks for your clothes? Be honest now. I know I won't be. What if the pants didn't fit and the place is 20 miles away and I only paid 3 bucks for it? What if, like Canada, winter makes this a bit cumbersome? LOL.

There are plenty of women in Russia who live in sh!thole places daily drinking with their husbands on social security money and they are happy in their own way. Though we most likely will not understand their happiness.   

Precisely. And the same logic why it's silly for folks to debate what other people's intentions or reason are if they are happy together. It wasn't too long ago you took a stance in a debate that love and happiness cannot be found if one of the people involved happen to believe money, or financial security, is one of the focal things in a relationship. No?

[GQBlues]

....I DO NOT, NEVER DID and (hopefully) WILL NEVER have 50$/mo for clothes.

It's okay, neither will I. I really don't believe that it's realistic to shop garage sales every month just to keep that silly $50.00/mo budget anyway. For years, if I may add.

[OlgaH]

But OlgaH, aren't you now contradicting yourself considering you're amongst those who held reservation to other women's intention simply because the financial aspect of a man was deemed focal in her selection process? If the couple is 'happy' being together, aren't they sharing the same goal?
 

No. I'm not contradicting myself. I simply say that in my opinion that people who share the same life style and the same goals are most likely to be a happy couple.

You and your wife have your life style and goals as a couple, Misha and his wife has their ideas in common and they are not less happy than you and your wife, my husband and I have our own lifestyle and goals that in some way are different from yours and Misha's. We all have different lifestyle. I personally see nothing wrong if a woman spends just $50 and at garage sales if she thinks it is right thing to do,  if it is what she wants to do and nobody forces her at gun point to do so 

[sniper]

I'm glad for you and wish you the best in your success. 

Thank You.

What happens if hubby has a financial fall? The way the economy is going this is more of a possibility than ever.

I will sell all my shoes on ebay))

[GQBlues]

No. I'm not contradicting myself. I simply say that in my opinion that people who share the same life style and the same goals are most likely to be a happy couple.

You and your wife have your life style and goals as a couple, Misha and his wife has their ideas in common and they are not less happy than you and your wife are, my husband and I have our own lifestyle and goals that in some way are different from yours and Misha's. We all have different lifestyle. I personally see nothing wrong if a woman spends just $50 and at garage sales if she thinks it is right thing to do,  if it is what she wants to do and nobody forces her at gun point to do so   

 
Well, you'll have to forgive me but I think you are. You implied before any woman who is concerned of a man's financial security is suspect, and Misha suggested this, too. That women like her are not sincere in her intentions towards a man; that love can't possibly exist in such a union and thus happiness will never roost..no?
 
Anyway...you didn't answer my question  .

[OlgaH]

 
You implied before any woman who is concerned of a man's financial security is suspect...

Would you be so kind to show me my exact quote where I said it?