Hello from New York

[celluloidheros]

Just joined the forum, i have decided to learn a little about russian woman and this looks like a good start. 

I would like to find a good online website that would help me connect with some nice Russian, Ukrainian women who would like to meet me.

I have no problem making a trip over to the FSU or to UKR. 

Not sure if a tour is the best option,  i would like to also meet some guys who are interested in travelling there.  The thought of going there alone is OK but i wouldn't mind going with a friend or two.    Maybe a tour would do this for me.

Im 46, never married and no kids.  Im not rich but i could afford to travel there a few times and pay to have the right woman come to the USA. 

I hear so many horror stories but also some touching fairytales.

can anyone recommend a good website, i hAVE BEEN TOYING with elenasmodels   http://www.elenasmodels.com/   any input on this website.

I can't believe im actually doing this.   i signed up for Plenty of fish and Eharmony and all the american women are fat or have way to high an expectation. 

I am 6 ft 2 in  220 lbs, well educated and i work for a lagre well known US corp. 

I would like to meet someone in their 30's if possible. 

Take care, Don 

[Faux Pas]

  Welcome to RWD Don!

I would recommend Elena's Models. But like any site you still have to be on your toes.

[ML]

 Welcome to the board.  You need to take the course: Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

[Mila]

Hi Don,
nice to see you there I wish you luck and I hope you will meet the right lady. If you need my help or advice, you are very welcome. I am always glad to help

[GoodOlBoy]

Welcome to RWD Cell.
My best advice..... follow the RWD 10 Commandments:
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34

Good Luck!
 
GOB

[celluloidheros]

hello to all, I am tempted to engage the help of someone who is in the Ukraine or the FSU like Mila.  She is in Kharkov.     I like the fact that Mila claims to know ladies and may even screen them. 

I have also heard the name Jack or Eduard as also leading tours.  What I don't want is a meat market where the ladies are standing around feeling like meat and the guys are inspecting there teeth like a horse.

I would like to meet someone who is 30 + who still wants and can have kids.  i am hoping to find someone who can speak English pretty well.  Is this realistic ?

how much can i expect to spend if i travel there for 2 week or so.   is two weeks long enough ?  i have a job hear and vacation is tough to get. 

Thanks again, Don   

[Muzh]

Don, anything can be realistic. That is up to you.

Kharkiv is a great city and lots of nice ladies that speak English. My wife is from Kharkiv.

Using Mila, or Jack, or Eduard is a great idea. They can do the leg work for you based on your desires.

Just keep your eyes and mind open and you'll do fine.

Also from (upstate) NY.

[Gator]

Don,
 
 
 
Elena's Models (EM) is excellent.  Spend the $100 and jump in (Elena's Models is akin to swimming in the shallow end of the pool).
 
 

hello to all, I am tempted to engage the help of someone who is in the Ukraine or the FSU like Mila.  She is in Kharkov.     I like the fact that Mila claims to know ladies and may even screen them. 

I have also heard the name Jack or Eduad as also leading tours.

 
Each has a somewhat different service.  Talk with them.  Besides helping you with the ladies, they will arrange your trip.  The latter is good for people with little international travel experience.
 

I would like to meet someone who is 30   who still wants and can have kids.  I am going to post a picture of a friend of mine who I spend most of my time with.  she is a knock out.     I really like her a lot but she has many many problems and issues  so we are not compatible.  But this is the type of lady that I like.   

This confuses me.  What do you mean by the "type of lady that I like?"  I assume you do not mean one with "problems and issues" but one who looks like her.       Regarding looks, the AW in your photo is merely above average among RW (see why we like RW).  This question seems lame as the women at EM give you an idea about Slavic features.
 
Your AW in the photo has a kid.  Most AM avoid the RW with kids, yet most RW over 30 have kids.  So accepting a child will open the doors to many more women.  Incidentally, RW believe that AM have a better reputation than RM for being good fathers.  BTW, you should not post photos of women without their permission.
 
 

i am hoping to find someone who can speak English pretty well.  Is this realistic ?

Yes.  Many men here think it is mandatory, especially if your time for travel is limited.  I have a lot of time for travel and have done better with RW who do not speak English well.  At EM, you probably need to limit your searches to "Good" English, but take a look at "Fair."
 

how much can i expect to spend if i travel there for 2 week or so.

 
$1500 for air, transport, $100/day for an apartment, plus food (you can prepare breakfast with an apartment, restaurants are all over the place in price and quality but plan on what you spend at restaurants here). 
 

is two weeks long enough ? 

Not enough to decide about marriage IMO, even if you talk via Skype for weeks and weeks before you arrive.   Yet, it is enough to decide to take another trip or meet her someplace in the middle.

[pitbull]

celluloidheros,
 
I suggest you delete the photo you've just posted, unless you have explicit permission from the woman to post this particular photo. If not, then posting the photo is at least indecent and also may be seen as a privacy violation. At least, please post the one without a child. Posting the kid in a public forum is way too much.

[GQBlues]

I thought the same as you pitbull, but tried not to say anything since this is the intro section....but since you let the cat out of the bag, allow me to add that posting the pic of Mom and kid then adding the script that she has issues and many problems so blatantly in the internet to serve his cause, is just bad taste. He claimed to like this friend a lot too..too bad.
 
It says a lot more about him than the intended, IMO.
 
Hopefully the mods will catch this and do something.

 

[pitbull]

I thought the same as you pitbull, but tried not to say anything since this is the intro section....but since you let the cat out of the bag, allow me to add that posting the pic of Mom and kid then adding the script that she has issues and many problems so blatantly in the internet to serve his cause, is just bad taste. He claimed to like this friend a lot too..too bad.
 
It says a lot more about him than the intended, IMO.
 
Hopefully the mods will catch this and do something.

I'd like to be an optimist and assume that the OP is just new to internet forums and etiquette around posting private info. Hopefully he will just remove the photo asap.
 
 

[GQBlues]

I'd like to be an optimist and assume that the OP is just new to internet forums and etiquette around posting private info. Hopefully he will just remove the photo asap.

   Yeah, that's true...after all it wasn't too long ago when, aherm, Al Gore invented the internet circa 1990. Or more in point, when the OP was only 24 yo.

[celluloidheros]

yup you are right about the pic, my bad.   

[Bruce]

My advice Don, research, research and research for three to four months.   Talk to all the commercial people out there with good reputations these days.   Usually there are a handful at best.   Go to Brighton Beach at least a couple of times if you are in or around NYC.   Go to the stores, walk the streets for a splash of the former Soviet Union (FSU).    Start learning the language.   Get weekly private lessons and immerse yourself in the language.   Late May / June take a well planned trip over in a region where you have favorable response to letters and excellent coordination on the ground like a translator / guide or full service agency.   I would recommend Russia over the rest, but I am biased.   Theoretically, I like Belarus though I have not been there.   Watch out for Chernobyl fallout region even today.   Figure out what really is important to you.   Take direct flights whenever possible!  Be careful for what you wish for.................  

[celluloidheros]

I see that many people have taken 10 plus trips.  does it really take that many or can it be done with less.  I am not the richest man in the world. 

[Vaughn]

Welcome to RWD, celluloidheros - with a name like that I assume you're a big Ray Davies fan.
 
There's much good advice above. Read it all again and again. I always preach patience, having witnessed failure when men attempt a fast track to save time and money. Hasty decisions raise your vulnerability and cause trainwrecks. Patience, my friend. 
 
10 trips ?  No way. I am presently planning my sixth trip over with my wife. Or is it seventh? You lose track after a while.

[ML]

I see that many people have taken 10 plus trips.  does it really take that many or can it be done with less.  I am not the richest man in the world.

Some people (like me) have been going to FSU for several years on business trips.

Others have a business of helping guys like you, so they have made many trips also.

In other cases, the person continues to go after a marriage to visit with the relatives.

Therefore, the number of trips listed for an individual does not necessarily indicate the number of trips looking for a mate.

[Faux Pas]

I see that many people have taken 10 plus trips.  does it really take that many or can it be done with less.  I am not the richest man in the world.

The number of trips are of no consequence, really. What is of consequence is the quality and result of the trips. In your case, that of a newbie and your current line of thought you have a decision to make now. Either dilly-dabble with this pursuit or "go all in". Either decision can and will likely require multiple trips. Be prepared both time wise and financially. If you simply can't see it, back away now and save your time and money.

Reading between the lines on a couple of your posts, I detect you're a bit big-eyed and entralled with the photos and the idea. This isn't a bad thing necessarily but more often than not it lends oneself to thinking with the small head as opposed to the big one. Doing so generally does not lead to good results. Quite the opposite.

If you are of the idea to show up in the FSU on your first or second trip with an engagement ring in your pocket to save yourself time and money, I'd recommend you stop right now. There have been many men that went on one trip and found a wife. The results are a mixed bag but, mostly not good. If you're feeling lucky, go to Vegas and keep your losses minimal and cash related. 

[GQBlues]

I see that many people have taken 10 plus trips.  does it really take that many or can it be done with less.  I am not the richest man in the world.

Purely subjective in this affair as you can see on the responses. Plenty of men found 'love' within a tenth of the number you quoted. Even days....
 
I think FP gave you a very nice response relating to this matter.

[Patagonie]

The number of trips are of no consequence, really. What is of consequence is the quality and result of the trips. In your case, that of a newbie and your current line of thought you have a decision to make now. Either dilly-dabble with this pursuit or "go all in". Either decision can and will likely require multiple trips. Be prepared both time wise and financially. If you simply can't see it, back away now and save your time and money.

Reading between the lines on a couple of your posts, I detect you're a bit big-eyed and entralled with the photos and the idea. This isn't a bad thing necessarily but more often than not it lends oneself to thinking with the small head as opposed to the big one. Doing so generally does not lead to good results. Quite the opposite.

If you are of the idea to show up in the FSU on your first or second trip with an engagement ring in your pocket to save yourself time and money, I'd recommend you stop right now. There have been many men that went on one trip and found a wife. The results are a mixed bag but, mostly not good. If you're feeling lucky, go to Vegas and keep your losses minimal and cash related. 

+2 if you think that you can catch the bride and bring her after two travels.... I would tell you that i advice you to reset your mindset in this case. Or to stay at home.

For flat in Kharkov you SHOULD'NT pay more than 55-65 $ for a two rooms (one separated bedroom) in the center. for a duration from 7 days to 15.

[jeff9556]

can anyone recommend a good website, i hAVE BEEN TOYING with elenasmodels   http://www.elenasmodels.com/   any input on this website.

Hi Don, I use EM and found the vast majority women to be honest although some of the long time members are a little jaded. Of course I only approach women over 30 and only in Russia. Additionally they must have good English skills (good enough to communicate without an interpreter) and preferably without children but must want children. I go for well educated ladies, usually English teachers or translators (they seem to have the best English).

What you should be aware of is that there is perhaps twice as many men as women on EM... however don't let that put you off, you just have to be aggressive with your approaches - in other words give it plenty of time and effort.

I've been there for a while now (perhaps 4 months) and in that time I've EOI'ed about a hundred, had around 25% positive feedback which lead to letter writing and skype chats. Currently I've narrowed this down to just two, and will probably narrow this to just one (in fact I know the one already...) and visit her in a couple of months (with a backup plan of course, lol).

Good luck Don and happy hunting!

[celluloidheros]

Welcome to RWD, celluloidheros - with a name like that I assume you're a big Ray Davies fan.

Yup, I Like the Kinks, But also I collect old antique pocket knives which have celluloid handles.  Old movie films were made from the plastic "celluloid"  It was very flammable and unstable. it was also mostly made in Rochester NY, Home to Kodak and my hometown. 

Thanks for all the help, What a fantastic group of human beings.  Just awesume. 

Don 

[celluloidheros]

The number of trips are of no consequence, really. What is of consequence is the quality and result of the trips. In your case, that of a newbie and your current line of thought you have a decision to make now. Either dilly-dabble with this pursuit or "go all in". Either decision can and will likely require multiple trips. Be prepared both time wise and financially. If you simply can't see it, back away now and save your time and money.

Reading between the lines on a couple of your posts, I detect you're a bit big-eyed and entralled with the photos and the idea. This isn't a bad thing necessarily but more often than not it lends oneself to thinking with the small head as opposed to the big one. Doing so generally does not lead to good results. Quite the opposite.

If you are of the idea to show up in the FSU on your first or second trip with an engagement ring in your pocket to save yourself time and money, I'd recommend you stop right now. There have been many men that went on one trip and found a wife. The results are a mixed bag but, mostly not good. If you're feeling lucky, go to Vegas and keep your losses minimal and cash related. 

Ha...  that there is some good advice. You mean that I actually have to work at this ?   The idea of a Russian lady is very new to me and with the help of this website, i am coming up to speed fast. 

Here's where I'm at.  I have a decent job where I make enough to pay all of my bills plus a little extra,  I have a new house and a cottage (read this as I pay lots for mortgage and taxes).  So i make Ok money but also spend quite a bit.     So i have a big house with only me living there.

I have looked over the women in my area and have not found any that suit me (yet).  I have never been married and no kids but have been in a few long 10 + year rels.  people think it's unusual that a guy like me has not been "caught" yet.   

it is my opinion that most (50%) of the ladies in my area are too fat, and just not attractive to me.   i do not consider myself shallow for wanting a mate that is reasonably fit.

But I am getting older and the clock is ticking if i still want to have a family.  I am wondering if it is unfair to have kids at this late stage  as i wont be around too long for them, and this is one of my greatest sorrows. 

But that doesn't mean i want to rush into anything, But i would like to learn what i can to make an informed decision.  and man is there some good info here.

My brain is so full of new info.

I wonder if it's a bad idea to find someone who wants to travel together from the US to Russia or the Ukraine.  would this make things safe or tie me down.   
I am also struggling with using a service like Jacks/Eduards or going alone after setting up some appointments with ladies from EM.  it is very interesting to learn that there is a 2/1 M/F ratio.  That is depressing.   

Thanks for all the info. 

[Gator]

But I am getting older and the clock is ticking if i still want to have a family.  I am wondering if it is unfair to have kids at this late stage  as i wont be around too long for them, and this is one of my greatest sorrows.

 
Family has been my greatest source of joy.  If you love them, spend lots of time with them, treat their mother with respect, educate them, and provide for them after you die, they will be far better then most kids.

I wonder if it's a bad idea to find someone who wants to travel together from the US to Russia or the Ukraine.  would this make things safe or tie me down. 

 
You need to read more to find courage.  It is not difficult, just adventurous.
 
 

it is very interesting to learn that there is a 2/1 M/F ratio.  That is depressing.   

Adjust your thinking to the fact that 90-95% of the men never get on a plane.  And some of the men who do travel are lacking.  That is why many of the EM women are jaded.   So the ratio is now 10:1::F:M.   Do not get too excited, many RW still date RM. 
 
When you start talking with RW, be convinced and sound convincing that you will make a trip.

[jeff9556]

That is why many of the EM women are jaded.   So the ratio is now 10:1::F:M.

Its very true, a lot of EM women are very jaded. That said, its like most sites - 20% of the women get 80% of the attention...