Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[Faux Pas]

I'm sorry to say I see no individual in the US that can save the day, either in 2012 or 216. I used to think Ron Paul was the answer. That was until I was made aware of his answer to the bad economy by cutting a measly 15% off the Pentagon, same as Obama, and let the poor take most of it with a 64% haircut on food stamps and big cuts to programs to feed poor infants. Good luck to the members here selling themselves to Russians girls with life values like that!

Roy, I am afraid while some of what you state is true to an extent, you are missing the boat. Ron Paul is a bit of a quack but with some general good ideas. Which in essence is, stop being a super power, expansionism, dilly dallying in the affairs of other nations and paying them for the privilage of doing so. Basically, start cutting the hair where it does not affect us. Stop with the wasting of federal funds at home and living within our means. All excellent ideas IMHO. He's just not the ideal front man to present it and the libertarian party ideals does not dovetail with the two major parties. Our values are not much different than yours. Your expectations of our country from where you sit are much different from ours.

[Turboguy]

You just seem to not get it!  We in the U.S. do not want big government and a large welfare state.  Get it?

Well it depends on which "We in the U.S." you are talking about.   The ever growing number of those who feel the government owes them a living is quite happy to have big government and a large welfare state. 

[The Natural]

You just seem to not get it!  We in the U.S. do not want big government and a large welfare state.  Get it?

So the masses of the US cries out for austerity measures for themselves then? Well, that is exactly what you're gonna get. It's all nice and dandy to talk tough when you're in good health and have a decent job. But what if something happened and you find yourself in need of help from others? Being the rugged individual who talk togh, I suppose you will then rather go into the woods and die, so as not to burden the mini state with no funds that you support so much?
 

Perhaps selling our "life values" to Russian girls will include the idea of her giving food to the needy from our kitchen rather than letting the government give it to the illegals and lazies from our paychecks.

I hope you have a really big kitchen. By the way, how many poor people have you fed lately?
 

I have no desire to influence your country to change your views to match ours.  You can have whatever system you like.  Perhaps your pacifist attitude toward a strong military will come around to bite you in the ass in the future.  Who will save you this time?

Pacifist because I'm against attacks on nation states like Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia etc? Hahaha. Oh, how silly of me to not support the troops that bring democracy to all corners of the earth. How about a little Arab spring in Saudi-Arabia? Why is that not on the agenda do you think?

[Anotherkiwi]

... Perhaps your pacifist attitude toward a strong military will come around to bite you in the ass in the future.  Who will save you this time?

Huh?  Try reading some history, Doug.  As far as I'm aware, the USA never had any presence in Norway during the Second World War.

[TheTraveler]

Is it only in the USA that the poor loves the rich parasites, or what?

in the usa, the rich are generally the hosts.

[TheTraveler]

You have to understand that the US is still a divided country.  In each town there are boundaries, mostly along racial, ethnic and economic lines.  These lines divide school and election districts.  The contrast is simply too stark, and unfortunately pervasive.  The 'melting pot' is filled with ice cubes and no one wants to tender the fire.

One of the most frequent questions when meeting someone new in the US is 'Where do you live'.....  why is that?

I don't know much at all about Norway, but is that question of great importance other than to figure out which is better 'your place or my place'?

In Europe I rarely see those boundaries and If I do, it's mostly economic as in public housing areas hosting a wide mix of peoples.

why beat around the bush?  let's talk plainly...

poor black areas are very distinct.  if not for those, i would say the usa is very well mixed.

and does it make me a racist for wanting to live as far from those neighborhoods as possible?  what is the first thing that any poor black does after he achieves success?  he gets himself away from the hood, too.  those areas are some of the most dangerous in the world.  and if you'd like to experience some real hatred and racism, try walking thru one of those neighborhoods, white boy - if you've got the stones.

and the old 'where did you go to high school?' or 'where did you grow up?' question is the standard lead-in to finding someone that you know in common.  only a person with a serious chip on his shoulder would be offended by that question.

[GoodOlBoy]

what is the first thing that any poor black does after he achieves success?  he gets himself away from the hood, too.

And if they don't get far enough away from the hood (Liberty City and Overtown) in Miami, then this is usually what happens to them:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Taylor

"Taylor died at the age of 24 on November 27, 2007, from critical injuries from gunshots by intruders at his Miami area home."
 
GOB
 
Liberty City: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City
 
Overtown:

[GoodOlBoy]

This is also the reason why GOB's wife legally carries a 9mm Berreta in her pocketbook. 
 
GOB

Same model pistol:

[Eduard]

This is also the reason why GOB's wife legally carries a 9mm Berreta in her pocketbook. 
 
GOB

Same model pistol:

Women generally are very good at hitting the target. When I let my wife shoot my hand gun for the first time she was hitting the target almost as good as me in about 10 minutes!

[tfcrew]

Yeah, but I don't see the "Occupy Wall Street" crowd 
 
Where are they?
 
 

They didn't have any boats.

[tfcrew]

   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Z6QOscKvUjU&NR=1

[GoodOlBoy]

Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?
 
The sad fact is that those lusting for power could care less if it's done under the guise of democracy, fascism, socialism, or communism.
 
The result is always the same: the obliteration of freedom, the loss of life and untold human suffering.
 
While a selected ruling class sits high up on their perches looking down on the plebes.
 
GOB

[Eduard]

Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?
 
The sad fact is that those lusting for power could care less if it's done under the guise of democracy, fascism, socialism, or communism.
 
The result is always the same: the obliteration of freedom, the loss of life and untold human suffering.
 
While a selected ruling class sits high up on their perches looking down on the plebes.
 
GOB

It's true, GOB, however in the second half of the 20th century Western Democracies (USA, Canada and Western European countries) achieved a high standart of living where even people who lived in "poverty" by Western standarts would be considered "rich" by people living in Third World countries. Something to think about.

[GQBlues]

I actually took the time to watch CNN tonight. This is what I got out of their telecast...

1. Give it up. Isaac is a storm. Your prayers to turn it into a hurricane is failing miserably..

2. Romney Revealed special had made me a bit more favorable of him albeit cautiously. I will however say that I am very impressed in the manner he's held his family life close to his heart as I am also impressed with his business / management resume.

3. Way to go Marco Rubio in the way you handled Wolf Blitzer!! Wolf tried to bait you so many times only to come out looking like a stooge. I wish there will be a position for you in DC after the election!

4. CNN's comical biased reporting is in full motion.

5. The economy should be the main focus in this election. Bar none.

[calmissile]

I actually took the time to watch CNN tonight. This is what I got out of their telecast...

1. Give it up. Isaac is a storm. Your prayers to turn it into a hurricane is failing miserably..

2. Romney Revealed special had made me a bit more favorable of him albeit cautiously. I will however say that I am very impressed in the manner he's held his family life close to his heart as I am also impressed with his business / management resume.

3. Way to go Marco Rubio in the way you handled Wolf Blitzer!! Wolf tried to bait you so many times only to come out looking like a stooge. I wish there will be a position for you in DC after the election!

4. CNN's comical biased reporting is in full motion.

5. The economy should be the main focus in this election. Bar none.

+1

[Eduard]

Just finished watching the RNC - WOW!!! Very inspirational! Ryan's speech was wonderful, Rubio's was awesome - a tear jerker, Clint Eastwood's funny as hell (great to see that not every one in Hollywood is a pinko-lefty). And Romney was great too. As an immigrant/refugee from the USSR who embraced freedom this country afforded me I really identify with everything I heard and I was deeply touched by many things I heard during the speeches from the above mentioned leaders. I hope and pray that many people who watched this RNC feel the same and will vote for Mitt Romney and for Mr. Obama to hit the road (Jack and don 't you come back no more...) Let him live out "The dream from his [communist] father" somewhere else. When I escaped the USSR and came to this country I felt free for the first time in my life and I want my daughters to inherit the same country, the same America that I've learned to love and respect.
Please people, vote this November and vote for Romney! Let's save this wonderful, exceptional country!

[Anotherkiwi]

Just finished watching the RNC - WOW!!! Very inspirational!...When I escaped the USSR and came to this country I felt free for the first time in my life and I want my daughters to inherit the same country, the same America that I've learned to love and respect.
Please people, vote this November and vote for Romney! Let's save this wonderful, exceptional country!

This is a paid political broadcast on behalf of the Republican Party 
 
Surely by now this topic has wandered so far away from the Terms of Service that it should die its own death!  Seriously, what have these last few posts got to do with the aims of RWD?

[calmissile]

Just finished watching the RNC - WOW!!! Very inspirational! Ryan's speech was wonderful, Rubio's was awesome - a tear jerker, Clint Eastwood's funny as hell (great to see that not every one in Hollywood is a pinko-lefty). And Romney was great too. As an immigrant/refugee from the USSR who embraced freedom this country afforded me I really identify with everything I heard and I was deeply touched by many things I heard during the speeches from the above mentioned leaders. I hope and pray that many people who watched this RNC feel the same and will vote for Mitt Romney and for Mr. Obama to hit the road (Jack and don 't you come back no more...) Let him live out "The dream from his [commie] father somewhere else. When I came to this country I felt free for the first time in my life and I want my daughters to inherit the same country, the same America that I've learned to love and respect.

I watched it also and was very impressed.  Clearly there is a much better defined choice in this election that we have had in the past.   Like GOB, I had given up on either party providing a plan that would return America to the greatest country in the world and restore our freedoms that have been whittled away over past administrations.

The only questions I have about Romney/Ryan is whether they will promote legislation that favors Wall Street vs. the blue collar/middle America segment of our population.  It is also disappointing that he did not explain that investment bankers like Bain sometimes have to consolidate and/or close companies for any of them to survive.  The Obama rhetoric has been powerful in making people think that investors should keep failing companies open to save the jobs at those companies.  The reality is that investment firms often will consolidate failing companies/ purchasing market shares, etc. can keep an industry alive that would otherwise fail.  The democrats want to pray on the sympathies of our hearts while avoiding the realistic fundamentals of a free enterprise system.

It is refreshing that Romney/Ryan does not want to move in the direction of Europe and more socialism.  It is clear that Obama wants to go in this direction.  More government, more socialism, etc.

The real question is whether Romney can deliver on his promises better than Obama has done on his?

[calmissile]

This is a paid political broadcast on behalf of the Republican Party 
 
Surely by now this topic has wandered so far away from the Terms of Service that it should die its own death!  Seriously, what have these last few posts got to do with the aims of RWD?

Since the forum is very broad in its appeal,  not all topics are of interest to everyone.  Since you are not American you have the option of ignoring this thread and live in your own world and not be concerned with the politics of the USA!

[Anotherkiwi]

Since the forum is very broad in its appeal,  not all topics are of interest to everyone.  Since you are not American you have the option of ignoring this thread and live in your own world and not be concerned with the politics of the USA!

If only that were true!  However, Doug, you're missing my point, which is that such specific politicising is against the Terms of Service to which we all agreed when we joined (even if some people didn't actually read all the fine print  ).

[Eduard]

The real question is whether Romney can deliver on his promises better than Obama has done on his?

do you really have to ask, Doug? If the media didn't conspire to elect Obama and he would have been properly vetted he would have never been elected in the first place IMO. He was given a free pass. Now that we know some of his background, who his mentors, his spiritual guides his associates and friends were, and his experience (or more like the lack thereof) no one should be surprised at where this country is at 4 years later, economically and politically speaking.
Unlike pres. Obama, Romney's ideology wasn't formed by communists, anti-colonialists, America-haters and socialists. He is a successful businessman who understands that free market economy is what made this country great in the first place and that moving it toward socialism, more debt, more entitlements more regulations and more policies from the left is not going to make things improve.

[Mod2]

If only that were true!  However, Doug, you're missing my point, which is that such specific politicising is against the Terms of Service to which we all agreed when we joined (even if some people didn't actually read all the fine print  ).

Moderators and Advisors did discuss this point when the thread started.  Consensus was that as long as discourse remains civil, an exception would be in order this election year, as a test and only in this thread.

[calmissile]

Moderators and Advisors did discuss this point when the thread started.  Consensus was that as long as discourse remains civil, an exception would be in order this election year, as a test and only in this thread.

Thank you!   This is one of the most important elections in our countries history.  It will determine if we move to the socialist left or move back to freedom and individual resonsibility.  We know the history of  socialism.  Our choice is whether we think the individual is resonsibe for their own future or whether we should embrace the 'collective' that has failed over most of the world.   For those not in the USA, we can still respect your views.  It  does not mean that we embrace them.  The world is large enough to have different views and be able to evaluate the performance of various governments and economic systems.

[Faux Pas]

This is a paid political broadcast on behalf of the Republican Party 
 
Surely by now this topic has wandered so far away from the Terms of Service that it should die its own death!  Seriously, what have these last few posts got to do with the aims of RWD?

This is the "cultural and political events" section of the forum. You've posted your beliefs, are those the only beliefs that should be allowed? 

[BC]

Thank you!   This is one of the most important elections in our countries history.  It will determine if we move to the socialist left or move back to freedom and individual resonsibility.  We know the history of  socialism.  Our choice is whether we think the individual is resonsibe for their own future or whether we should embrace the 'collective' that has failed over most of the world.   For those not in the USA, we can still respect your views.  It  does not mean that we embrace them.  The world is large enough to have different views and be able to evaluate the performance of various governments and economic systems.

In the context of today, is the 'socialism' you refer to not an artifact of the Cold War past? Or do you refer to the vast majority of industrialized nations around the world?