Newt or Mitt VS Obama. Can either of 'em beat him?

[calmissile]

GQ

Very appropriate Tyson's quote. It would appear Obama's entire strategy was "duck and move". There is no defense for his failed leadership and floundering policies. That should continue to stay Romney's focus point of attack. That is the major issue facing Americans today. Part of a longer term strategy? Pul-eeeeeze. Obama is teeth in an empty suit. Promise the world, deliver dic. He is the epitome of "Campaigner in Chief".

I was surprised at the left hammering him on his performance. That is generally, something they will not budge on. No debate to my knowledge ever put a man in the WH but, BO leg's are wobbly like a mofo. It'll be interesting to see if Romney goes for a KO on the next Debate

It's been pleasant to not be involved in US politics since I am enjoying my vacation in Ukraine.  What I posted a month ago is still valid.  The best of two evils.  No question, Obumma is a path to more socialism.  I will return in time to vote.  The choice is obvious!!

[Eduard]

Some of you surely know that there is a school of thought out there that there is this banking cartel (The Rothchilds, JP Morgan, etc,) that controls
the world economy, money, the stock market, prices of oil and gold. That a US president can not be elected without their OK and once elected he answers to them. Some say that the Cartel will not allow the dollar to collapse and therefore will keep the price of gold under $2000 and may even bring it down back to a $1000 next year.
If this is the case it really shouldn't matter who is elected to be in the White House. Yet it seems that there are differences in policies set forth by the 2 parties and different presidents (i.e. Carter versus Regan and now Obama who's agenda is noticeably changing this country).
So what is the truth? Is it somewhere in the middle?
Thoughts?

[ML]

Some of you surely know that there is a school of thought out there that there is this banking cartel (The Rothchilds, JP Morgan, etc,) that controls
the world economy, money, the stock market, prices of oil and gold. That a US president can not be elected without their OK and once elected he answers to them.

This is very silly Ed.  I am surprised you have been in USA so long, yet still think along the lines of non-free countries with conspiracies everywhere.

Cannot be elected without their OK !!!!!!  Who  the fock is going to tell me and millions of others how to vote.  The idea is patently ridiculous. 

[GQBlues]

...I was surprised at the left hammering him on his performance. That is generally, something they will not budge on. No debate to my knowledge ever put a man in the WH but, BO leg's are wobbly like a mofo. It'll be interesting to see if Romney goes for a KO on the next Debate

 It is for now a worthy celebration for the red coats. But as you well know, Bain and the 47 will rear their ugly heads in the next 2 debates since it seems obvious now their bumbling, bobble headed 64’s antic had fast become yesterday's joke. *Lean Forward* on the basis of someone else’s 20 year old policy? Give me a break. Heck, they can’t even critique Mitt’s healthcare program in MA nor can they do with the state’s education program. It’s numero uno…

Obama still have a very strong base. Make no mistake about it. Mitt had already spotted him a ‘47’ but he should’ve known they’re fighting for the centrists, the undecided, and if they're playing games by strategizing their way into these debates, they better game-up soon. Colorado is a battleground state. Big mistake, man.

I got to give Roland Thacher, Van Jones and Stephanie Cutter a big hand of pitiful recognition for the lasting effects of last night’s Kool-Aid. Yup, according to these morons, Obama had them where he wants ‘em..

I can’t wait for SNL’s spoof on this one.
 

[GQBlues]

Some of you surely know that there is a school of thought out there that there is this banking cartel (The Rothchilds, JP Morgan, etc,) that controls the world economy, money, the stock market, prices of oil and gold..... So what is the truth? Is it somewhere in the middle?
Thoughts?

LOL.

There's a better chance Tarzan coming out and it was Cheeta he had the hots for all these time, than your rumor being true.
 
But who knows, man. After all, Hugo Chavez endorses Obama implying he's the best thing for America! Take that for what its' worth. Seriously! 
 

 

[GQBlues]

Last thoughts...
 
So whatever happened to Stevens' journal CNN got a hold of? How come Americans are not made aware of if he in fact 'warned' the State Dept of the pending danger in Libya? Will we ever know?
 
Isn't there supposed to be an investigation going on with this? Will we ever know? 

[Eduard]

This is very silly Ed.  I am surprised you have been in USA so long, yet still think along the lines of non-free countries with conspiracies everywhere.

Cannot be elected without their OK !!!!!!  Who  the fock is going to tell me and millions of others how to vote.  The idea is patently ridiculous.

What is silly is not recognising that there is a very powerful banking cartel (Central banks, Federal Reserve, etc.) that does control money, comodities, politics and economies. One can only guess how far their power reaches but I suspect far enough.
And if you think "We the people" have any say in what they do, please let me know when the next audit of the Fed is going to take place! 

[ML]

ED, the silly part was your statement "That a US president can not be elected without their (banking cartel) OK and once elected he answers to them."

So address this directly.  You really believe that the banking cartel can force me and millions of other Americans to vote the way they want?

[Eduard]

ED, the silly part was your statement "That a US president can not be elected without their (banking cartel) OK and once elected he answers to them."

So address this directly.  You really believe that the banking cartel can force me and millions of other Americans to vote the way they want?

It wasn't my statement or my belief. I simply stated that there is a school of thought offering this interpretation of "reality". I asked a question:


"If this is the case it really shouldn't matter who is elected to be in the White House. Yet it seems that there are differences in policies set forth by the 2 parties and different presidents (i.e. Carter versus Regan and now Obama who's agenda is noticeably changing this country).[/size]So what is the truth? Is it somewhere in the middle?Thoughts?[/i]


However I do believe that it is possible for this cartel to influence who gets elected by backing them up financially and politically.
I don't think asking questions is silly. Not asking questions and taking everything at face value can be silly on the other hand.

[Faux Pas]

ED, the silly part was your statement "That a US president can not be elected without their (banking cartel) OK and once elected he answers to them."

So address this directly.  You really believe that the banking cartel can force me and millions of other Americans to vote the way they want?

What proof do you have that your vote is actually counted?

[Daveman]

And if you think "We the people" have any say in what they do, please let me know when the next audit of the Fed is going to take place! 

At this last stage of the game be glad they're not.  If the Fed were audited at this point, the economic crash would be virtually instantaneous...

If the true results were made public that is... which they could not do.. so best not to toss that rock into the hornet nest.

[Shadow]

So address this directly.  You really believe that the banking cartel can force me and millions of other Americans to vote the way they want?

Yes we can!

[Eduard]

Yes we can!

Are you one of them, Shadow?!?! Please tell us all the secrets! 

[Shadow]

Are you one of them, Shadow?!?! Please tell us all the secrets! 

I am not one of them, nor do I really support outlandish theories. However the electoral system in the US does lend itself for being influenced and even blatant malversations. However this would require such a big organization that it would be highly unlikely that it is done, at least that is what I like to think.

[GQBlues]

...However I do believe that it is possible for this cartel to influence who gets elected by backing them up financially and politically.... 

In that context, of course it is. Soros proves that point. He may not have necessarily negated millions of votes but in fact persuaded them in the direction he sought. The Unions are another entity that directly/indirectly *affects* our voting system.

Here's another...

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20121005&id=15640586

Take the labor report released today, 30 days before the election ~ Unemployment rate plummeted well below 8% in nearly 4 years!!! That's 873K people *finding work* when only 144K jobs were created!!! Wonderful math, no? Maybe part-time work? If so, then state so. But regardless, even if the majority of these numbers were attributed to part-time work ~ then things have not changed at all.

But watch the media spin this unto something else.

Much like Obama taking credit for 300K new hire in '10 when that number was actually for the temporary hiring of census workers....

[BC]

 GQ,

Yes it is a grand democratic conspiracy to tweak these numbers.

But no worry.. Its all part of a democratic process so no need to complain.

[GQBlues]

GQ,

Yes it is a grand democratic conspiracy to tweak these numbers.

But no worry.. Its all part of a democratic process so no need to complain.

Complain?! Moi? No, not me....I see it for its entertainment value really...About a year ago, or maybe at the beginning of this year, I cited in this very thread the upcoming media circus and spin doctors' arrival, and were deep in it right now and really quite a show so far! I must say....

 

Better than any reality TV at this current time. Heck, the debate commanded 67 million viewers! That's 15 million more than '08 first debate! A whole lot of viewers to witness a wonderful strategy exercised, no?

Or maybe Al Gore is right...maybe it is the altitude!

[Eduard]

GQ,

Yes it is a grand democratic conspiracy to tweak these numbers.

But no worry.. Its all part of a democratic process so no need to complain.

But... complaining is a vital part of the democratic process, no?

[Eduard]

[size=78%]Or maybe Al Gore is right...maybe it is the altitude![/size]

Al Gore is always right! 

[GQBlues]

 

Day 2 with the Liberals and its media on why Obama looked like an idiot during the debate...it gets better everytime!

1. It's the altitude!

2. Mitt Romney is a liar!

3. Obama can't afford to look like an angry blackman! He doesn't have the same latitude as a white dude!

4. It's Jim Lehrer's fault! (Debate Moderator)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2012/10/04/msnbcs-ed-schultz-pulls-race-card-explain-weak-obama-debate-performa-0

[GQBlues]

How Taiwan viewed the debate, LOL...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsyS3xVxTyU&feature=youtu.be


What a fine strategy!

[Cameraguy]

Some of you surely know that there is a school of thought out there that there is this banking cartel (The Rothchilds, JP Morgan, etc,) that controls
the world economy, money, the stock market, prices of oil and gold.
 
Thoughts?

Good to see that there's at least one person here who understands how the world really works.
 
You guys think it was a coincidence that the Federal Reserve (which is a private banking cartel -- neither federal nor a reserve) and the IRS were both established in 1913?
 
Anyone read "The Creature From Jekyll Island"? http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal/dp/0912986212

How about "Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler"? (taken straight from Nuremberg Military Tribunal documents by Stanford research scholar Anthony B. Sutton) http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html
 
Anyone seen a United States Note (not Federal Reserve) that JFK tried to issue in 1963?
 
Anyone know who said, "Give me control over a nations currency, and I care not who makes its laws”?
 
Easy to dismiss all of this with a simple "conspiracy theory" pejorative...

[Eduard]

Good to see that there's at least one person here who understands how the world really works.
 

It would be ignorant of me to think that I actually understand how the world really works, but I do think about it, try to learn and keep an open mind. Thank you though!

[Cameraguy]

Read "The Creature From Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve" by G. Edward Griffin and you will! http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/091298645X

It was originally published in 1998 and Chapter 2 is titled, "The Name of the Game is Bailouts." Sound familiar?

Here's Amazon's book description:

"Where does money come from? Where does it go? Who makes it? The money magicians' secrets are unveiled. We get a close look at their mirrors and smoke machines, their pulleys, cogs, and wheels that create the grand illusion called money. A dry and boring subject? Just wait!

You'll be hooked in five minutes. Reads like a detective story - which it really is. But it's all true.  This book is about the most blatant scam of all history. It's all here: the cause of wars, boom-bust cycles, inflation, depression, prosperity.

Creature from Jekyll Island is a "must read." Your world view will definitely change.  You'll never trust a politician again - or a banker."

[Cameraguy]

Let's say you were a private international banking cartel that was in a position to issue unlimited credit to the world's most powerful country, with just a few keystrokes and unencumbered by a Constitution or gold standard. In other words, as long as that debt is maintained (or massively increased), you essentially own that country's entire GNP.

Let's also say that IRS revenues did nothing but pay the interest on that debt.

What would you do?

I think Eduard knows... (he's probably the only one who wonders why we're paying interest on our own money!)