Wow... Meat Market Socials?

[Kapitanleutnant]

In my continuing search to educate myself.....  I stumbled across this video...   this guy slams the big tour agencies!





Kap

[GoodOlBoy]

As GOB has stated before: "FSU pimp'n ain't easy."
 
But it sure is profitable. 
 
GOB

[Steamer]

This guy nailed it pretty good.

[Ade]

As GOB has stated before: "FSU pimp'n ain't easy."
 
But it sure is profitable. 
 
GOB

Interesting that he states 1 in 20 women in these socials are good girls and are there "by accident". That he says 1 in 20 men manage to find one of these 1 in 20 women is even more telling of the odds against finding someone worth having.

[Steamer]

Interesting that he states 1 in 20 women in these socials are good girls and are there "by accident". That he says 1 in 20 men manage to find one of these 1 in 20 women is even more telling of the odds against finding someone worth having.

Be sure to add that it's telling of the odds against finding someone worth having... AT THE SOCIALS.

[Ade]

Be sure to add that it's telling of the odds against finding someone worth having... AT THE SOCIALS.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the odds are no better on most of the MOB sites either.

[JohnDearGreen]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the odds are no better on most of the MOB sites either.

He also researched the AFA web site girls and about 125 to 150 of the 500 were still
seriously looking.   Many gave up and were no longer active.  A few married or dead.


That is about the same odds I encountered 10 years ago.   I didn't consider those percentages
to be bad, just a minor nuisance and the cost of doing business.  You got to drill a few dry holes once in a while.

[Kapitanleutnant]

I have to say that everything this guy says seems to make sense... and his deduction as to how he gets to those conclusions in my opinion are quite sound.   


However, I'm wondering if you can group all the companies offering socials into this category?   AFA says they don't screen they ladies.   Personally, I don't think thats a good idea, but I've only been on one of these junkets 16 years ago and I have mentioned before, I did have a great time... but that was a different time period as well.  Eg, does a company who screens the ladies have more credibility....?   


Thanks for the insight.


Kap

[Steamer]

However, I'm wondering if you can group all the companies offering socials into this category?   AFA says they don't screen they ladies.   Personally, I don't think thats a good idea, but I've only been on one of these junkets 16 years ago and I have mentioned before, I did have a great time... but that was a different time period as well.  Eg, does a company who screens the ladies have more credibility....?   

The socials that I attended (European Connections) only screened the girls for looks and didn't care about anything else so you had an assortment ranging from good girls to hookers and you can't tell them apart by looks alone.

[Turboguy]

I would agree about the tours that European Connections did.  I attended three of them.  I do think they checked the passports to make sure the women were who they said they were and that they were infact single but that was about it.  They did a photo shoot at the socials and added quite a few to the catalogs at the socials.   I agree that it was a different time then and I think the less attractive girls were sometimes the more honest ones and the knockouts were there to see who they could fleece.
 
The only tours where the girls are pretty well screened are the ones Jack does.  Jack's tours are also the only ones I would recommend to anyone.  In fact I would never hesitate to recommend them particularly for someone who hasn't traveled a lot and is making his first trip.  What you learn from Jack is worth it and the chances of success are much better.

[GoodOlBoy]

My Daddy always told me that a picture is worth a thousand words. 
Thank you OlgaH.
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13500.msg267747#msg267747

http://www.loversplanet.ru/forum/topic839.html
 
GOB
 
 

[GoodOlBoy]

FWIW to newbies reading this thread.
 
Anybody who says, Bill or Joe's or Bob's agency is OK, because he is "different" or "one of us"..... is full of cr@p (in GOB's humble opinion).
 
These people are all the same (out after your wallet).
 
Someday, when somebody posts that an agency owner is helping RWD members for FREE or COST because he wants to give back to the community..... then you will have GOB's attention.
 
Never forget Newbies, they are ALL businessman and this is all about business (your money).... nothing else!
 
Do yourself a favor and follow ML's sage advice:
 

....First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

JMO, but if you cannot follow ML's checklist and you need to pay to have your hand held (agency)... stay home and date locally. The FSU is probably not for you.
 
GOB

[Eduard]

FWIW to newbies reading this thread.
 
Anybody who says, Bill or Joe's or Bob's agency is OK, because he is "different" or "one of us"..... is full of cr@p (in GOB's humble opinion).
 
These people are all the same (out after your wallet).
 
Someday, when somebody posts that an agency owner is helping RWD members for FREE or COST because he wants to give back to the community..... then you will have GOB's attention.
 
Never forget Newbies, they are ALL businessman and this is all about business (your money).... nothing else!
 
Do yourself a favor and follow ML's sage advice:
 
JMO, but if you cannot follow ML's checklist and you need to pay to have your hand held (agency)... stay home and date locally. The FSU is probably not for you.
 
GOB

I personally know quite a few men, married to FSU women, who would strongly disagree with your point of view, GOB. Although I agree that MOB agencies and tours are not the best way to go if you want to find a wife, this statement is definitely not true in my case: " they are ALL businessman and this is all about business (your money).... nothing else!"
I care about my clients, stay in touch with many of them after they are married and made real close friends with a few of them. I also go an extra mile for them and do plenty of work free of charge just because I care of what happens to them even after I'm done working for them. Sure I'm going to charge a client for my time if I put in 200 hours for him, I've got a family to support just like everybody else, but to suggest that just because somebody is in business they care of nothing else but getting your money is just wrong IMO. Plenty of business people are honest, ethical people with good morals.

[magnetic_fields]

FWIW to newbies reading this thread.
 
Anybody who says, Bill or Joe's or Bob's agency is OK, because he is "different" or "one of us"..... is full of cr@p (in GOB's humble opinion).
 
These people are all the same (out after your wallet).
 
Someday, when somebody posts that an agency owner is helping RWD members for FREE or COST because he wants to give back to the community..... then you will have GOB's attention.
 
Never forget Newbies, they are ALL businessman and this is all about business (your money).... nothing else!
 
Do yourself a favor and follow ML's sage advice:
 
JMO, but if you cannot follow ML's checklist and you need to pay to have your hand held (agency)... stay home and date locally. The FSU is probably not for you.
 
GOB

This method of searching is quite good. I used it to meet a girl last year. We started talking online through singles.ru for about 7 months and then I visited her in September. Everything was good except I missed noticing a very subtle red flag that derailed our relationship. The thing is when you search in a foreign country there are so many subtleties in communication that only a native Russian speaker would pick up on. Is it worth spending years and thousands of dollars worth of trips to master the learning curve? Or is it better to find a well seasoned consultant to help in your search. Remember men here are searching for a life partner to maybe start a family with. If I were just merely "dating" like i do in match.com Doing it myself is not risky. But this FSU search is whole other type of correspondence.

Full disclosure: I never used an agency but I did use Ed's service (realrussianmatch) and it made a world of difference. On my own I had moderate success but with him searching i met some outstanding ladies. And one of them in particular told me that if it weren't for the great translation he did for me in writing letters then she would have just passed me by. At the begininning stages developing that trust in communication is crucial. I can't imagine searching again on my own. Just way too many obstacles.

That's my two cents

[GoodOlBoy]

GOB unequivocally stands by his previous post.
 
If a man doesn't know how to purchase an airplane ticket to Russia on his own.... He may need a "middle man".

If a man doesn't know how to navigate an airport.... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man doesn't know how to make hotel reservations in Moscow/Kiev.... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man doesn't know how to go to a restaurant/grocery store/kiosk and feed himself..... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man doesn't have the social skills to approach a woman in person that he has been corresponding with on the internet/telephone/skype for several months..... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man has absolutely no confidence in himself and his natural born abilities to survive.... He may need a "middle man" to stay home!
 
Do you get my drift here Newbies? 
 
I will go even one step further.
 
Let's say a person uses Match.com and finds his "Big Love" in San Francisco, but he lives in NYC.
 
Suddenly, this man becomes completely terrified at the thought of all the hurdles he has to cross alone in meeting his new woman right here in the GoodOl' USA.
 
Such as (again) buying a ticket to SF, renting a hotel room, renting a car, finding a restaurant, etc. etc.
 
So he hires a..... Ta-dah..... "middle man". 
 
Any sane person that would read this tripe would say that this man is a LOSER... period.
 
And they would be 100% correct.
 
Finally (and most importantly), Russian women DESPISE weak men.
 
Any man that needs "assistance" (middle man, hand holder, etc.) to help him find his RW = a weak man.
 
GOB

[SANDRO43]

If a man...

...refers to himself obsessively in the 3rd person...

[GoodOlBoy]

...refers to himself obsessively in the 3rd person...

GOB says hey Sandro! 
 
GOB

[Admin]

...refers to himself obsessively in the 3rd person...

Almost as if (maybe AS IF) the feigned distancing of writing in 3rd person affords greater freedom to issue withering pious (albeit ignorant) proclamations with relative impunity.

- Dan

[OlgaH]

...refers to himself obsessively in the 3rd person...

Illeism 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illeism

[GoodOlBoy]

Almost as if (maybe AS IF) the feigned distancing of writing in 3rd person affords greater freedom to issue withering pious (albeit ignorant) proclamations with relative impunity.

- Dan

Awe C'mon Dan.
Don't tell me you are going to put a "roof " over Eduards head also. 
 
GOB

[Admin]

Awe C'mon Dan.
Don't tell me you are going to put a "roof " over Eduards head also. 
 
GOB

You should read my post for ONLY what was in it. There was no ulterior meaning and certainly no protection of Eduard (as I am sure he will attest).

I was making an observation of YOUR post and style of posting. Nothing more.

- Dan

[magnetic_fields]

GOB unequivocally stands by his previous post.
 
If a man doesn't know how to purchase an airplane ticket to Russia on his own.... He may need a "middle man".

If a man doesn't know how to navigate an airport.... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man doesn't know how to make hotel reservations in Moscow/Kiev.... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man doesn't know how to go to a restaurant/grocery store/kiosk and feed himself..... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man doesn't have the social skills to approach a woman in person that he has been corresponding with on the internet/telephone/skype for several months..... He may need a "middle man".
 
If a man has absolutely no confidence in himself and his natural born abilities to survive.... He may need a "middle man" to stay home!
 
Do you get my drift here Newbies? 
 
I will go even one step further.
 
Let's say a person uses Match.com and finds his "Big Love" in San Francisco, but he lives in NYC.
 
Suddenly, this man becomes completely terrified at the thought of all the hurdles he has to cross alone in meeting his new woman right here in the GoodOl' USA.
 
Such as (again) buying a ticket to SF, renting a hotel room, renting a car, finding a restaurant, etc. etc.
 
So he hires a..... Ta-dah..... "middle man". 
 
Any sane person that would read this tripe would say that this man is a LOSER... period.
 
And they would be 100% correct.
 
Finally (and most importantly), Russian women DESPISE weak men.
 
Any man that needs "assistance" (middle man, hand holder, etc.) to help him find his RW = a weak man.
 
GOB

GOB you completely missed the point of my entire post. Let me ask you a question. If your car breaks down do you fix it completely by yourself? How about if your washing machine breaks? Or you need to build an extension on your house? Are you a completely "self made" man who NEVER needed any type of assistance or EXPERT opinion on any subject matter?

I work in the consulting industry. Physicians hire me because I am more knowledgable about software or billing services than they are. I am not a doctor but I understand what a doctor needs more in terms of computers than he or she would ever know. Why? Because doctors spend their time treating patients not writing code!

In the same regard Ed or anyone else like him is a professional. He spends hours a day searching for profiles, translating letters, and taking trips with clients to a foreign country. The kind of wisdom he possesses would take me at least a decade if all I could do is email a few girls a week and maybe take 1 trip a year. In other words I would pay a consultant to help me avoid the routine pitfalls any newcomer would probably make. Does that make sense?

No one method is perfect. But are there better methods with more proven results? I certainly think so. I know of people who tried the translation software and tried emailing girls in russia. If you ask a native russian speaker to read these letters translated by google it sounds utterly ridiculous. Now how on earth do you expect to meet a large number of women when you can't even speak the language? And it's one of the more difficult languages out there.

No one is discounting your method. It has worked. But other methods work also and sometimes better. One truth many paths my friend...

[magnetic_fields]

FWIW to newbies reading this thread.
 
Anybody who says, Bill or Joe's or Bob's agency is OK, because he is "different" or "one of us"..... is full of cr@p (in GOB's humble opinion).
 
These people are all the same (out after your wallet).
 
Someday, when somebody posts that an agency owner is helping RWD members for FREE or COST because he wants to give back to the community..... then you will have GOB's attention.
 
Never forget Newbies, they are ALL businessman and this is all about business (your money).... nothing else!
 
Do yourself a favor and follow ML's sage advice:
 
JMO, but if you cannot follow ML's checklist and you need to pay to have your hand held (agency)... stay home and date locally. The FSU is probably not for you.
 
GOB

There is one major problem this list needs to address: Language. For example if I walk into any bar in NYC after about 30 minutes of talking to a woman I can guess at her basic education level (high school vs. college vs. master's degrees) and what type of job she might have. I can also get an idea of geographically where in the USA she hails from east coast or southern states based on her accent. Now it's not perfect but most guys can probably agree with this.

Now take yourself out of your own country and to another where you have no idea about accents or regions. Yes you can read tons of wikipedia articles or guide books but honestly how would you compare to a native person of that country? Now if I were just on a "vacation" to meet some women casually then the method listed above seems reasonable. But what if you are searching for a wife? The woman who will eventually have your children? Wouldn't you want to make the most informed decision possible? I don't have local friends in Moscow who I speak to regularly. I don't have any family in Russia. But I do have family in the UK and in India. In those countries I rely on their advice. In russia or any other country I would need a guide.  It's as simple as that. I am all for "do it yourself" attitudes and self-reliance. But this is one area where I would not risk just "winging it"....

 

[Hammer2722]

...refers to himself obsessively in the 3rd person...

+10

[Faux Pas]

In russia or any other country I would need a guide.  It's as simple as that. I am all for "do it yourself" attitudes and self-reliance. But this is one area where I would not risk just "winging it"....

Maybe you could be more specific? What is the risk of "winging it"? It really not as difficult as the last 2000 words you've typed trying to explain it is. Using your own analogy, when you go say, to the West Coast for a vacation, do you employ a wingman to scout out the babes for you before you go?

I'm not trying to bust your balls here magnetic but, there's A LOT of static everywhere about dating women from the FSU and you sound as if you've slurped a good bit of it up. You're not building a house, fixing a car or installing some billing software. What you are talking about here is hiring a guy to do the legwork on building your relationship. If that floats your boat fine, just call it what it is.

Meeting/dating FSU certainly has some different nuances to it along with the time, travel and expense but, at the end of the day it is still "boy meets girl". You can take the less traveled path or the superhighway but, eventually it is all down to you and the woman. Ed or any other consultant won't be there