scammed by yeva4u

[mies]

when was racism ever good?
 It's really sad that a whole society could denigrate a whole group of people that they have never met.  Mexicans as a whole like FSU people. We have more cultural offerings  worldwide, than Ukraine so I don't get where the superiority complex comes from.  Please explain why I should be in awe of your average Ukrainian?

Well, I can give you an example of reverse racism. I am on my way to fundraising dance party (to raise funds for education for impoverished Peruvian children), to meet at the party with my husband and  friends. It is held in the club district in one of the night-clubs. I come to the address, and see a  long queue. I do not really pay attention to who else is in that line. Then the large (tall and big), dressed for special occasion (nice tight mini-dress, 5" hills) African American lady turns to me, and says "I do not think this is your line. This is a private birthday party." And then I notice that I am the only Caucasian person in that line. It turned out, that in one row-house with 2 entrances, there are two night-clubs. They have separate entrances from the street, and share a rooftop patio. One club was rented for a fund-raising event and crowd was international, the other one was rented for a private Birthday party. About half-way down the party people started mingling between the two parties. I was quite amused by the expression and the tone of the girl who told me that I am standing in the wrong line. I think it was an example of racism - because she clearly identified me  by my skin tone, but I don't think it was bad.
When people tell you offensive and rude remarks to your face, refuse to service you in the bank or store, and attack you physically (as it often happens with tall dark and handsome in Russia, and sometimes in Ukraine too - with the UN representative in downtown Kyiv who was beaten and had concussion) - then it's clearly a very bad racism. 

[Hammer2722]

Chelseaboy, Hammer

You are both wrong but you are free to believe what you like. bruttus's story has changed a number of time and he has told quite a few lies. Consider that bruttus is lying. Then, if you want to, believe him. Makes me no difference

There is nothing here to indicate bruttus was taken advantaged of by the girl or the terp. bruttus met the girl. The girl spent time with bruttus. The girl then met another. The other was a Mexican guy that woo'd and won her. bruttus lost, cried and lied.

Dispute that do we bruttus?

wrong about what? Our beliefs? I said this is how I understood the situation as explained by Brutus. Now whether it is all true or not is a different story. But for you to say I am wrong is pretty arrogant of you. I never said I believed Brutus story. I sure as hell believe that both sides have a measure of blame for the outcome. 

[mies]

For the rest, i have give, Mies a link, the FBprofile from that guy (from the lady i do not have because i have blocked here) i told Mies where to look for (the photo's that are posted in september), and she went even further and found the profile from that lady in Facebook

yes, Bruttus was very kind to share with me the link. The guy and the girl both have their relationship status "in relationship" with each other. The girl has on her profile that she is in relationship with Mexican guy since February 2012.  This information is public (not hidden on her profile), anyone with FB account can see it. There are several photos, and under some photos there are comments - from her friends, her boyfriend, and the girl's responses. Based on several English responses she posted there - I wouldn't say that her English is that bad. Not perfect (wrong tense used here and there), but quite decent for communication. If she learned it since July - my sincere applause to her, most people take much more time to have this significant progress. Or, maybe, Mila or someone else helped her to write this comment on FB. But then - why the small mistakes in the sentence?
I don't think the girl scammed Bruttus, I think she was in the mode "write many visit many" until her trip in August-September. As for Mila's services I do not have any comments to add to what I already said.

[mies]

I do not dispute your statement about Ukrainian culture. I know that it is true. Most everything else you've stated however is in dispute. The girl wanted to meet bruttus. She was not seeing anyone else at that time. She could have been communicating with 8-10 guys, who knows? Does she not have that right?

...

 was she committed to bruttus? bruttus being the sleuth he thinks he is sees the pictures on her facebook page.

Of course she does. I never suggested otherwise and fully agree with you. Actually, this is exactly what I said in several of my posts. The girl was not committed, she didn't even meet with 2 men at the same time. And as far as online correspondence goes - most of men on this board at some point were corresponding with several women at a time, while trying to decide whom to choose.
I do not think we should criticize the girl. But if I were Mila's client, I'd have exactly same questions as Bruttus does. It's not the point that he paid for translation hours. Had Mila told him the girl was in active correspondence with someone else, and isn't exclusive - maybe Bruttus would still want to spend time with her. Or maybe he would ask Mila to find a different girl for him, and Mila would still have a business: interpreting for a different woman and Bruttus. The problem is that Mila concealed this information from Bruttus, and then (according to him) kept denying his questions and suspicions. This is a bad customer service. Would it be so hard for Mila to tell the truth to Bruttus, and just be honest and open with him, and let him decide, not decide for him?

As for Bracelet - I think if Mila hasn't returned it yet, she should return it to Bruttus during his next trip to Ukraine. This seems the most reasonable and natural thing to do.

[Faux Pas]

That is also how I understand this situation ...

wrong about what? Our beliefs? I said this is how I understood the situation as explained by Brutus. Now whether it is all true or not is a different story. But for you to say I am wrong is pretty arrogant of you. I never said I believed Brutus story. I sure as hell believe that both sides have a measure of blame for the outcome. 

You are wrong in how you understand the situation as it relates to the truth. That was only a warning. If you want to get your nose out of joint over it, be my guest.

[Hammer2722]

yes, Bruttus was very kind to share with me the link. The guy and the girl both have their relationship status "in relationship" with each other. The girl has on her profile that she is in relationship with Mexican guy since February 2012.  This information is public (not hidden on her profile), anyone with FB account can see it. There are several photos, and under some photos there are comments - from her friends, her boyfriend, and the girl's responses. Based on several English responses she posted there - I wouldn't say that her English is that bad. Not perfect (wrong tense used here and there), but quite decent for communication. If she learned it since July - my sincere applause to her, most people take much more time to have this significant progress. Or, maybe, Mila or someone else helped her to write this comment on FB. But then - why the small mistakes in the sentence?
I don't think the girl scammed Bruttus, I think she was in the mode "write many visit many" until her trip in August-September. As for Mila's services I do not have any comments to add to what I already said.

I agree that this girl in no way scammed brutus. She was trying to see which guy was the best one for her. Not any different than what the WMVM guys do.

[mies]

Ughh!
Stirlitz is correct. If this Milaa woman wanted to be a scammer then Bruttus would never have known about it.
There may be things that were not perfect about the handling of the situation by Milaa but she, like most of us, is human. Show me a day when I got everything right in my personal and professional dealings and well... it can't be done.

Exactly. That's why when we do something wrong,- we apologize, and (whenever applicable) try in some way (monetary or otherwise) mitigate the harm or bad feelings caused by our wrong decisions. Isn't this what most good citizens and reliable businesses would do?

[mies]

Mies,
       In the old London tradition of expecting a straight answer to a straight question,i will respond to your questions when you have given a straight answer to mine.
 
With reference to your point 6,for all i know you may be a drug lord and human trafficker,and running a stable of prodaters,it's not uncommon in Ukraine after all.

So, I see, you liked my examples. Very good. I'm glad we reached an understanding. 

[Muzh]

Of course she does. I never suggested otherwise and fully agree with you. Actually, this is exactly what I said in several of my posts. The girl was not committed, she didn't even meet with 2 men at the same time. And as far as online correspondence goes - most of men on this board at some point were corresponding with several women at a time, while trying to decide whom to choose.
I do not think we should criticize the girl. But if I were Mila's client, I'd have exactly same questions as Bruttus does. It's not the point that he paid for translation hours. Had Mila told him the girl was in active correspondence with someone else, and isn't exclusive - maybe Bruttus would still want to spend time with her. Or maybe he would ask Mila to find a different girl for him, and Mila would still have a business: interpreting for a different woman and Bruttus. The problem is that Mila concealed this information from Bruttus, and then (according to him) kept denying his questions and suspicions. This is a bad customer service. Would it be so hard for Mila to tell the truth to Bruttus, and just be honest and open with him, and let him decide, not decide for him?

As for Bracelet - I think if Mila hasn't returned it yet, she should return it to Bruttus during his next trip to Ukraine. This seems the most reasonable and natural thing to do.

Mies, I agree with your assessment. However, notice the bold segment.

This is where all this thread is wrong. He should have called Mila and discuss this in private.

But, no. He was crushed and someone had to pay. Isn't it?

No introspect whatsoever.

[Faux Pas]

Of course she does. I never suggested otherwise and fully agree with you. Actually, this is exactly what I said in several of my posts. The girl was not committed, she didn't even meet with 2 men at the same time. And as far as online correspondence goes - most of men on this board at some point were corresponding with several women at a time, while trying to decide whom to choose.
I do not think we should criticize the girl. But if I were Mila's client, I'd have exactly same questions as Bruttus does. It's not the point that he paid for translation hours. Had Mila told him the girl was in active correspondence with someone else, and isn't exclusive - maybe Bruttus would still want to spend time with her. Or maybe he would ask Mila to find a different girl for him, and Mila would still have a business: interpreting for a different woman and Bruttus. The problem is that Mila concealed this information from Bruttus, and then (according to him) kept denying his questions and suspicions. This is a bad customer service. Would it be so hard for Mila to tell the truth to Bruttus, and just be honest and open with him, and let him decide, not decide for him?

mies, I know you to be one of the sharpest members on this forum which is why I don't understand this part. bruttus said Mila concealed this but, she didn't. How can Mila be to blame when bruttus can't understand or fathom that the girl didn't want him? when he leaves she doesn't want his bracelet, he insists that she take it. After he leaves the girl gives it to Mila. bruttus knew this and knows Mila has it waiting for him. Only months later when he saw her FB page he came to the realization? If he had perhaps an ounce of rationale he would have deduced this, no?

How is it bad business practice? Mila was paid to translate. She did her part. after leaving bruttus order the 3 way skype translations with the girl and Mila. She did him a favor off the clock and introduced the girl. The girl went on dates with bruttus and didn't take advantage of him. bruttus went on some dates and spent a minimal amount of money. He says he was decieved. Where is the deception? Mila can't be held responsible because the girl doesn't want bruttus can she? 

Initially, the girl wanted to meet bruttus. bruttus accepted, met the girl, paid Mila to translate. Did he pay Mila to get him a date with the girl? Sorry, I see no breech of trust on the girl or Mila's part.

[Patagonie]

mies, I know you to be one of the sharpest members on this forum which is why I don't understand this part. bruttus said Mila concealed this but, she didn't. How can Mila be to blame when bruttus can't understand or fathom that the girl didn't want him? when he leaves she doesn't want his bracelet, he insists that she take it. After he leaves the girl gives it to Mila. bruttus knew this and knows Mila has it waiting for him. Only months later when he saw her FB page he came to the realization? If he had perhaps an ounce of rationale he would have deduced this, no?

How is it bad business practice? Mila was paid to translate. She did her part. after leaving bruttus order the 3 way skype translations with the girl and Mila. She did him a favor off the clock and introduced the girl. The girl went on dates with bruttus and didn't take advantage of him. bruttus went on some dates and spent a minimal amount of money. He says he was decieved. Where is the deception? Mila can't be held responsible because the girl doesn't want bruttus can she? 

Initially, the girl wanted to meet bruttus. bruttus accepted, met the girl, paid Mila to translate. Did he pay Mila to get him a date with the girl? Sorry, I see no breech of trust on the girl or Mila's part.

You are focusing on the reject experienced by Bruttus, which is not the subject.
Bruttus of course paid the interpreter and to DATE and to INTERPRET. She is the matchmaker. He initially didn't want to meet this girl, because she was too young. The interpreter bring this lady, without inform him of who she was and how old she was. You need to understand that the money comes each time a transportation is done, a translation is done, and a woman is met (fee per woman, like in an agency). You seem to not understand that the interpreter bring ladies (like an agencies) and is paid for.

 More time the interpreter spends with the mates and more $ are earned. The top for such professionals is to spend the whole day from the morning 10 am till 11 pm with the same guy, from the airport, delivering appartement (counted in euro what they pay in dollar), through meeting fee, translation fee, transportation, and return to the airport. Add long distance call, translation for documents...
FP, this is exactly what a lot of agencies try to do : "appropriate the customer as long as possible". The controversy is more about ethical behavior.
Did the interpreter crosses the limit ?
For some she seems to bite it a little bit, for other not.

But no doubt that Bruttus socials skills are very low, and this is exactly why he choiced such professional.
 
1/ the lady seems to have enough capacity to communicate by her own, she proved it herself by being barely married.
2/ the customer makes blindly dates
3/ the lady should had been out of the circuit, the interpreter couldn't ignore her status.

I can play black and white if you want :
white
1/ Bruttus and the girl was not having enough skills in english to get a good communication, so my job is to translate and to do more than this : create a relationship, it seems to be that i success
2/ i need to let the chance happens, if not men will choice always the same photo and let some diamonds apart
3/ Girls have many suitors and they want to choice the best for them. You never know
Black
1/ If i had been alone with the lady we would had intimacy and it could had been possible to be commited.
2/ I am a man and i was knowing from the scratch how too young was too young. I wanted to have minimal informations about her photo and her age, which seems the minimum when you pay a significant amount of money.
3/ I would have not waste my time on this one, so many girls are free, why to take a stupid risk ? and make some complications ?

FP i have played you the white and black version, but me in general i believe in grey in this world... 

[Faux Pas]

You are focusing on the reject experienced by Bruttus, which is not the subject.

I disagree Pat, this is entirely the subject. Do you honestly think he'd be here on this forum sniveling like a 4 year old if he was married to this girl now? If he were married to this girl now, would he give Mila the credit or would she still be at fault?

Bruttus of course paid the interpreter and to DATE and to INTERPRET. She is the matchmaker. He initially didn't want to meet this girl, because she was too young. The interpreter bring this lady, without inform him of who she was and how old she was. You need to understand that the money comes each time a transportation is done, a translation is done, and a woman is met (fee per woman, like in an agency). You seem to not understand that the interpreter bring ladies (like an agencies) and is paid for.

 More time the interpreter spends with the mates and more $ are earned. The top for such professionals is to spend the whole day from the morning 10 am till 11 pm with the same guy, from the airport, delivering appartement (counted in euro what they pay in dollar), through meeting fee, translation fee, transportation, and return to the airport. Add long distance call, translation for documents...
FP, this is exactly what a lot of agencies try to do : "appropriate the customer as long as possible". The controversy is more about ethical behavior.
Did the interpreter crosses the limit ?
For some she seems to bite it a little bit, for other not.

Mila is a terp not an agency. He didn't pay to date and he did pick and meet several women. He paid for terp services

But no doubt that Bruttus socials skills are very low, and this is exactly why he choiced such professional.
 
1/ the lady seems to have enough capacity to communicate by her own, she proved it herself by being barely married.
2/ the customer makes blindly dates
3/ the lady should had been out of the circuit, the interpreter couldn't ignore her status.

I can play black and white if you want :
white
1/ Bruttus and the girl was not having enough skills in english to get a good communication, so my job is to translate and to do more than this : create a relationship, it seems to be that i success
2/ i need to let the chance happens, if not men will choice always the same photo and let some diamonds apart
3/ Girls have many suitors and they want to choice the best for them. You never know
Black
1/ If i had been alone with the lady we would had intimacy and it could had been possible to be commited.
2/ I am a man and i was knowing from the scratch how too young was too young. I wanted to have minimal informations about her photo and her age, which seems the minimum when you pay a significant amount of money.
3/ I would have not waste my time on this one, so many girls are free, why to take a stupid risk ? and make some complications ?

FP i have played you the white and black version, but me in general i believe in grey in this world... 

I like to look at things in black and white too, Pat. Unfortunately, the world doesn't always work that way. You have posted a lot about agency girls and agencies in general. I believe you know of what you speak but, Mila isn't an agency. bruttus didn't buy dates, he bought translation.

bruttus got the professional services he paid for.  Not only is he socially inept, he's a cheapskate.

Why, should the lady have been out of circuit? She dated bruttus for a few days. She didn't marry him Hell, I'd be surprised if he got to hold her hand. Even if he had sex with the girl, it doesn't mean bruttus owns her. 

[YoungBuck]

Well, I can give you an example of reverse racism. I am on my way to fundraising dance party (to raise funds for education for impoverished Peruvian children), to meet at the party with my husband and  friends. It is held in the club district in one of the night-clubs. I come to the address, and see a  long queue. I do not really pay attention to who else is in that line. Then the large (tall and big), dressed for special occasion (nice tight mini-dress, 5" hills) African American lady turns to me, and says "I do not think this is your line. This is a private birthday party." And then I notice that I am the only Caucasian person in that line. It turned out, that in one row-house with 2 entrances, there are two night-clubs. They have separate entrances from the street, and share a rooftop patio. One club was rented for a fund-raising event and crowd was international, the other one was rented for a private Birthday party. About half-way down the party people started mingling between the two parties. I was quite amused by the expression and the tone of the girl who told me that I am standing in the wrong line. I think it was an example of racism - because she clearly identified me  by my skin tone, but I don't think it was bad.
When people tell you offensive and rude remarks to your face, refuse to service you in the bank or store, and attack you physically (as it often happens with tall dark and handsome in Russia, and sometimes in Ukraine too - with the UN representative in downtown Kyiv who was beaten and had concussion) - then it's clearly a very bad racism.

Mies, you are confusing the two. The first instance is profiling; it was an African-American party and you most likely were not invited. It was smart of the lady to point this out as you would have been waiting in the wrong line. The second instance is racism and it is stupid. Racism is destructive pure and simple whereas profiling is based on pattern recognition. There's also racial profiling which is racist, but that's a different story.
Anyway, I'm glad that you point it out and at least I know what I am getting myself into. The Russian girl I'm talking to knows how tan I am (I knew that convertible was bad news), but she specifically stated she preferred Hispanic too, so I should consider myself lucky. Well, at least I'll be prepared if/when I meet her parents...

[Faux Pas]

Mies, you are confusing the two. The first instance is profiling; it was an African-American party and you most likely were not invited. It was smart of the lady to point this out as you would have been waiting in the wrong line. The second instance is racism and it is stupid. Racism is destructive pure and simple whereas profiling is based on pattern recognition. There's also racial profiling which is racist, but that's a different story.
Anyway, I'm glad that you point it out and at least I know what I am getting myself into. The Russian girl I'm talking to knows how tan I am (I knew that convertible was bad news), but she specifically stated she preferred Hispanic too, so I should consider myself lucky. Well, at least I'll be prepared if/when I meet her parents...

She really isn't confusing the two pretty much by your own admission (which is bolded)

Profiling by color which is what the Sistah did. If she hold told mies that should could tell she wasn't invited because her friend having the party would never invite someone with that dress or those shoes, that would be profiling 

[YoungBuck]

She really isn't confusing the two pretty much by your own admission (which is bolded)

Profiling by color which is what the Sistah did. If she hold told mies that should could tell she wasn't invited because her friend having the party would never invite someone with that dress or those shoes, that would be profiling 

FP, Once, I went to a wedding reception held at one of those fancy downtown hotels. On one ballroom, there was a Bar Mitzvah being held at the same time. A lot of the guests were all standing around looking to see where to go; I saw a line of men wearing a Yamaka and immediately knew I was in the wrong line.  Did I act rude to them, beat them, call them or treat them like inferior human beings? Would I be offended if someone would have pointed it out? Nope. Most likely, I wasn't invited because I didn't fit the mold of the typical guest.
Racial profiling makes character assessments on race alone. Racism causes you to despise, mistreat, or simply feel superior to another based on race alone which is what occurs in the second instance.

[Faux Pas]

FP, Once, I went to a wedding reception held at one of those fancy downtown hotels. On one ballroom, there was a Bar Mitzvah being held at the same time. A lot of the guests were all standing around looking to see where to go; I saw a line of men wearing a Yamaka and immediately knew I was in the wrong line.  Did I act rude to them, beat them, call them or treat them like inferior human beings? Would I be offended if someone would have pointed it out? Nope. Most likely, I wasn't invited because I didn't fit the mold of the typical guest.
Racial profiling makes character assessments on race alone. Racism causes you to despise, mistreat, or simply feel superior to another based on race alone which is what occurs in the second instance.

Not sure I get your point there Youngbuck. Just because you didn't call them names, scream or beat them means it wasn't racial profiling? Was there no possibility that Jewish guys in yamukes could be attending the same wedding?

[YoungBuck]

Not sure I get your point there Youngbuck. Just because you didn't call them names, scream or beat them means it wasn't racial profiling? Was there no possibility that Jewish guys in yamukes could be attending the same wedding?

Pattern recognition my friend. Yes, one or two could have been invited. More than that, I am looking at a Bar Mitzvah.

[GQBlues]

FP, Once, I went to a wedding reception held at one of those fancy downtown hotels. On one ballroom, there was a Bar Mitzvah being held at the same time. A lot of the guests were all standing around looking to see where to go; I saw a line of men wearing a Yamaka and immediately knew I was in the wrong line.  Did I act rude to them, beat them, call them or treat them like inferior human beings? Would I be offended if someone would have pointed it out? Nope. Most likely, I wasn't invited because I didn't fit the mold of the typical guest.
Racial profiling makes character assessments on race alone. Racism causes you to despise, mistreat, or simply feel superior to another based on race alone which is what occurs in the second instance.

Not a good example, YB...but I get your meaning. FWIW, Jew (Jewish) isn't a race. 
 
I did get slightly offended though when I was offerred assistance through the University AA program simply based on the color of my skin. After all, I more than met the academic admittance requirement.

[Muzh]

Not a good example, YB...but I get your meaning. FWIW, Jew (Jewish) isn't a race. 
 
I did get slightly offended though when I was offerred assistance through the University AA program simply based on the color of my skin. After all, I more than met the academic admittance requirement.

Man, you are easily offended. 

Try responding to someone (professional ignorant) who questions you having a graduate degree just because you come from "wrong" island.

Oh, I did respond to him. Very eloquently too. Even my pinky was raised as I held my glass of water.

[GQBlues]

Man, you are easily offended. 

Try responding to someone (professional ignorant) who questions you having a graduate degree just because you come from "wrong" island.

Oh, I did respond to him. Very eloquently too. Even my pinky was raised as I held my glass of water.

LOL. I know the move too well. It's like scratching an imaginary itch on the side of your head and a bird just happens to be flying by...

[BillyB]

There is no question that Bruttus is not that adept with women, but the rest is speculation.

Most men aren't adept with women if they can't or don't communicate with them properly. Scheduled appointments on skype is not enough. If a man want's to gauge a woman's interest, he needs to learn how she receives his unscheduled calls. He needs to learn if she'd even pick up the phone to talk to him on a regular basis. If Bruttus's woman was more interested in another man while he dated her, he could have figured this out without asking her a question. If Bruttus was not allowed to possess her phone number or if he has it and she doesn't pick up the phone when he calls or is short with him in conversation, he should know he's not her favorite.


I didn't read enough of this thread to comment on Bruttus's story and whether or not he lied or is telling the truth but fact is everyone lies but is still capable of telling the truth.

[bruttus]

@ faux pas
i payed 50 USD per lady for introduction
i received a couple profiles from lady's from Mila
is this not what a dating agency is doing???
this gal here profile was also send-ed, but i had no intrest in here because of age



then the lies, please post those lies from me

and again its not what that girl did to me, its about the dishonest reaction that i received from Mila
and for the rest, Mies is right
for the rest, to be honest, i think that the gal was nothing more then a pawn, to keep mine intrest
maybe she was intrested to meet me, who knows???? that's discussable
and i try't to talk it in private, asking about info about this, and even send ed proof, and i was put away as a bad and jealously person, but she was more concerned about here own reputation than she helped here client
 about the gal itself
i agree Faux Pas, the gal may communicate of have dates with several men, i did that also for the first time, but then with lady's, i see nothing wrong with that, but why the lies about it??
why didn't Mila put me apart while i was there, and told me if i was intrested to meet other lady's????
Mila could have told me when i was there, that this lady was still searching for here mister right, so i could make a decision
its 50 USD extra introductionfee for Mila
it was a win/win situation for the both of us

but ask yourself why invited Mila that lady to meet me, i didn't asked to meet that lady,
why didn't Mila told me that the lady that i have chosen to meet, couldn't come or had no intrest or what ever???
and why a gal that is going to meet a other man in his country 1 month later after mine leaving of Kharkov??? if i knew this before, i wouldn't accept that lady to meet me. not about jealousy, but for common sence
If it is a success story for Mila, was that starting relationship between that young couple already growing before i met that gal????

and thank you faux pas, i didn't knew that she gave the bracelet straight away to Mila when i leaved Kharkov
According to Mila she still had the bracelet when i found out, and that Mila had to meet here again to receive the bracelet
but indeed, i have asked that bracelet back

[Patagonie]

I disagree Pat, this is entirely the subject. Do you honestly think he'd be here on this forum sniveling like a 4 year old if he was married to this girl now? If he were married to this girl now, would he give Mila the credit or would she still be at fault?


Mila is a terp not an agency. He didn't pay to date and he did pick and meet several women. He paid for terp services

I like to look at things in black and white too, Pat. Unfortunately, the world doesn't always work that way. You have posted a lot abou[dot]t agency girls and agencies in general. I believe you know of what you speak but, Mila isn't an agency. bruttus didn't buy dates, he bought translation.

bruttus got the professional services he paid for.  Not only is he socially inept, he's a cheapskate.

Why, should the lady have been out of circuit? She dated bruttus for a few days. She didn't marry him Hell, I'd be surprised if he got to hold her hand. Even if he had sex with the girl, it doesn't mean bruttus owns her. 
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Dear buddy you are more stubborn than three babychkas in a market.
Mila site is this one :
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• [dot]Interpreting at business meetings, personal meetings, 3 way calls, conferences…. (English-Ukrainian, English-Russian, Ukrainian-English, Russian-English).[/dot]

• [dot]Translation (business, tourism, culture, personal correspondence/letters).[/dot]

• [dot] Guiding: tours around the first capital of Ukraine-Kharkov/countryside.[/dot]

• [dot] Lessons of English language and of Russian / Ukrainian language to foreigners.[/dot]

• [dot]Meeting at Kharkov/Kiev airport, bus station, train station and transfer.[/dot]

• [dot]Booking a nice and comfortable accommodation (apartment/hotel room).
  [/dot]

• [dot]An introduction to family oriented ladies whom i know personally.[/dot]

[dot]the introduction to family oriented ladies whom i know personally is a pure produit of the fee for a meeting, so Bruttus really paid what he needed to pay   

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[Chelseaboy]

Ok Faux Pas,you've had your response from bruttus,so show us where he's lying.
 
So far despite your strong assertions about we're all wrong,it seems it's you that's wrong.
 
You're totally ignoring the fact that the girl had been in a relationship with the Mexican guy since February,and yet of all the girls on Mila's books,she was the one chosen by Mila to date bruttus in July,just the month before the Mexican guy was flying back,for which bruttus was paying Mila USD 15 per hour,as well as paying her a USD 50 introduction fee.
 
Bruttus was also going to pay for the girls English lessons,until he discovered the girl had flown to Mexico to be with her man,but Mila was telling him the Mexican guy was only a friend....yeah right.
Seems somebody had a vested interest in bruttus paying for those English lessons.
If bruttus hadn't discovered the Mexican guy was more than a friend,would Mila and the girl still be taking money for the English lessons ?
 
I don't call that good business ethics,although maybe you do,as you don't seem to find anything wrong with that.
 
Mila should have informed bruttus that the girl had already met another man she liked,was in a relationship with him,and that the other man was flying back the following month to spend more time with her,and given the choice of whether he  wanted to meet her...but he wasn't.
Let's not forget that bruttus was reluctant to meet the girl anyway,because of her age,but Mila was insistent they should meet...i wonder why ?
 
I've a pretty good hunch,but that would be just speculation on my part,so i won't go down that road.
 
If it was me,and i'd been informed of that,i'd have told the girl to take a hike,and i expect that's why he wasn't told.
 
So,he was misled,despite your claims to the contrary.
 
No doubt this is where you'll stamp your foot and say you don't care what we/i think..your normal response when it looks like you're losing an argument.
 
On a broader front does this mean that all the girls on Mila's books are already in a relationship with another man ?
If not,why did she choose a girl for bruttus to date,who was already in a relationship with another man since February,as she has stated on her Facebook page ?
 
Would any man wish to date any of Mila's girls now,now that we know she arranges dates for those girls with other men,even after you've started a relationship with said girl...i wouldn't, based on what bruttus has told us.
 
Sounds no better than a typical Ukrainian dating agency to me,and i thought Mila was better than that.

 
 

[facetrock]

   Chelseaboy. Mila's been here a long time which does say something for her and she does have a good reputation. Most people in the translating and MOB business give forums like this a wide berth. About three years ago there was a guy complaining about her prices after the fact. The guy knew the prices beforehand so I never could figure out why he was whining.
 
   Now,  do you really think she would intentionally deceive a guy for 15 bucks an hour and a 50 dollar first meeting fee? Especially a guy who posts here and just had his clock cleaned by some pro daters on his last trip. It would be like begging for trouble. If anything I think she would be over accommodating. Another thing she is busy and makes a decent living being honest. Why would she jeopardize her reputation here that she's cultivated over the years as an honest person  for a few hundred bucks.  No sense to it and she's not dumb. Like Stirlitz said, if she wanted to scam him he would never know and it would still be going on. Her problem is she never knows what kind of guy will get off the plane. Sometimes like Andrews very good analogy you get a " faulty customer."

  Does anyone know if this girl is actually married or just went to see the guy in Mexico? My feeling is when Bruttus was there her and the Mexican guy didn't have any definite plans. After he left they made some. Maybe she told the Mexican guy all about Bruttus. Stirred the pot a little. Made him make a decision. Who knows. She's a 21 year old kid. I do believe Bruttus is NOT giving an accurate description of all the events because he is still pi$$ed  he got blown out of the saddle. No one will ever know the complete true story. If Mila comes back to post she will just get dragged down to Bruttus's level. No win situation for her. I will believe Mila before Bruttus though. At least she's sane.

  A little off topic but I am leaving for Kharkov May 5 for 2 weeks. I am using Mila. I do know most of the girls I meet will have already met Western men. Some will still be communicating with the men they met. Some might even be a little serious. Some might even be dating a Ukrainian man. I wont ask and I wont care. If I like one, game on baby.