scammed by yeva4u

[Vasilisa]

and i met this girl, id 14925255 marina sherbak(if you have an account in yeva4u), and i was correspondencing with here, with letters. after a week or so, she asked to see me, true videochat, what i did. ofcourse, it was expencive, but i thought that atleast that she was not a playing with me. after that videochat, here friend was there also id 15866920 elizaveta oyarand, and she was asking to communicate with me also, what i stuppid enough did.

"here" in your posts mean "her", I guess, it means you were writing to 2 girls  who knew each other and thought it was serious with both of them and it is the agency and the girls who are scammers and you are "not an angel".

[bruttus]

Which girl exactly?!  You dated 2 girls who knew each other!!! and is upset and that were not serious! What is wrong with you?

what are you trying to prove, that i came for 2 girls

if you read mine everything correctly, like the most people here do, i told to here friend that i WASN'T intrested in here, i only accepted here as a FRIEND
mine English sucks, but i read better then you

[Vasilisa]

what are you trying to prove, that i came for 2 girls

if you read mine everything correctly, like the most people here do, i told to here friend that i WASN'T intrested in here, i only accepted here as a FRIEND
mine English sucks, but i read better then you

Yes,exactly,  can you, please show me another guy here, who has been corresponsing and having love video chats with 2 girls that know each other, moreover they  are friends, then he makes one trip, then another trip and each of them knows that you are sending money to each of them. Yes, show me that guy, please.

[bruttus]

well, did i said that i had lovechats with here and here best friend
can you believe that is a wish come true for the most men

[Doll]

they didn't asked money at yeva
only the last time, with elizaveta, but that was because i still trusted them

so even they held themselves on the rules of the agency
but still, i have a small impression that you work there vasilisa

Эдичка, чем Долл донимать, лучше запроси перевод этого поста- ч-рт ногу сломит.

[Vasilisa]

OK, guy, one more time, especially for you

after a week or so, she asked to see me, true videochat, what i did. ofcourse, it was expencive, but i thought that atleast that she was not a playing with me. after that videochat, here friend was there also id 15866920 elizaveta oyarand, and she was asking to communicate with me also, what i stuppid enough did.
well, after a whille i desided to comme to ukraine, to meet them in reall life, and they where wayting for me
so, well, it was atleast no scam i thought, they where here, and both spended time with me

so i came for the second time to there, and i met more friends of marina sherbak, id 14939481 mar'yana motuz
i rented an appartment for 70 usd for 3 weeks, becouse well marina told me, it was closer to here school, and work, so she could sleep aslong if i was there
well, i can you tell you this, that was 1 of the many promises that she made, but doiing it, was something else

now, to make a long story short, they play it smartthis is the tricky part of it
marina sherbak id 14925255, she go only out with you to expencive restaurants, she is never allone, whille she speaks perfectly english, she is telling to you that she has no money, but she will not accept it, but gues again, she plays on the feelings, like she has no money for internet, so you sent it to here, just out of pitty
here friend, who you have meet there also id 14939481 elizaveta oyarand, wants to communicate with you also, becouse you are dating with here best friend,so you are here friend also, and etc....
elizaveta,oyarand, she play's further on the feelings, a week, before i come to ukraine, to celebrate mine b-day with them (for the 3th time, so stuppid i was, that i didn't had tru) she came online, after a sillence of 2 months, on that site, and asked to see me, becouse she misses me, and etc.... after a couple letters and a videochat, i lost more money, becouse she wanted to come to mine place, and wanted to be with me, and all that other crap, and i believed here, but when i was telling to here, she was crying

so annyway, the girls are reall, if you see the videochatsign, but i doubt that they are serieus

Ok, so now Marina was your girl-friend, and her friend Elizaveta who you were inviting to stay with you in Belgium and sent money to her was just a friend?!

[Doll]

Василиса, усе ясно. Аминь.

[Vasilisa]

Ok, the summary, guys, IF YOU, GUYS, WRITE TO 2 WOMEN THAT KNOW EACH OTHER, TELL ABOUT LOVE TO ONE OF THEM AND SEND MONEY FOR THE TRIP TO YOUR PLACE TO ANOTHER ONE AND they both are fine with it there is about 1000% chance they may not be serious

[Vasilisa]

Василиса, усе ясно. Аминь.

Да достал уже, это ж надо было таким тупым уродиться. Разное повидала, но такого я еще никогда не видела. Встречаться  с двумя подругами, высылать обеим деньги, а потом звонить в офис другой страны и жаловаться, почему ему там не помогли, а в итоге придти и всех грязью поливать, а он один добрый и наивный.
Искренне надюсь, что разводка.

[bruttus]

well, do you have also read that i was coming to meet a other girl, and that i didn't hear from here until 1 week before i came back to Ukraine ow yes here it is ""for the 3Th time"" and what was it for the 3Th time, ow yes, i came to meet a other girl, only meet, there where no feelings attach
and honestly, i was with that girl allone in mine apartment, making food for us, and not one time i made a move to go bed with here
ow yes, elizaveta was a day later also allone in mine apartment, and we where both drunk, and guess what, she went home, and i went to bed for sleep


Vasilis, i ask you something, and i appreciate it that you have you re own opinion
but did you ever conside rt that not every men has only bad thoughts in his mind, and is really searching for his future partner
if so, that elizaveta wanted to come to mine place, so what, i don't see no harm in it, because i wasn't intrested in here
don't believe me, well, don't care about it

[Doll]

Да достал уже, это ж надо было таким тупым уродиться. Разное повидала, но такого я еще никогда не видела. Встречаться  с двумя подругами, высылать обеим деньги, а потом звонить в офис другой страны и жаловаться, почему ему там не помогли, а в итоге придти и всех грязью поливать, а он один добрый и наивный.
Искренне надюсь, что разводка.

Угу, при этом, называть их по именам.
Аминь.

[Gator]

Bruttus,
 
Vasilisa is helping you by pointing out some flaws.  It may not seem like help because she is speaking candidly.   However, she is speaking from a RW perspective.   In contrast, Marina and Elizaveta told you what you wanted to hear.   They were not candid, and in fact deceived you.
   
Most RW would have given up by now with you, but Vasilisa is hanging in there, attempting to teach you a lesson so you will be a better man if you decide to date women again.      
To help me, please tell me if my understanding is correct.  And please answer some questions.   

You were interested primarily in Marina.  I assume most of your video chats were with her. 
What did she say in video chats about looking for a foreign man?   Did she ever say she was interested in marriage with a foreign man?  Did she mention that she had a local boyfriend?   

I assume you went to Ukraine to meet Marina.   You had to make plans such as buy an air flight ticket.  When did Elizaveta contact you?  After you purchased your ticket or before?  Do you have the email she sent you introducing herself as a friend of Marina and thus a friend of yours?   What else did she say?  Did she suggest something such as meeting?

Did you have video chats with Elizaveta?

How much time (percentage) did you spend alone with Elizaveta?  Alone with Marina?  With Marina and Elizaveta together?  (For example, was it 20%, 30% and 50%).

One of these women took travel money you gave her to fly to Belgium and she went to Italy instead.  Who?  When was that?
 
If you do this again, please read the Ten Commandments for men meeting RW, especially 1, 3 and 4:
 
   http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=34
 
 

[Doll]

How much time (percentage) did you spend alone with Elizaveta?  Alone with Marina?  With Marina and Elizaveta together?  (For example, was it 20%, 30% and 50%).

OMG!
What is this math about?

[Gator]

OMG!
What is this math about?

Pardon me please, I am analytical and not intuitive.

[OlgaH]

Hi Bruttus,

I join Mila's post. Sorry to hear about your so expensive lesson you got from those girlfriends.

Hello bruttus,
I am sorry to hear that. It was so evident from the very beginning that girl was a scam. How could you believe all that stories and sent money for so many times? It sounds so silly. Now, I hope, you will be more experienced and not so naive. Good luck!

Yes, you were played by them as only an inexperienced, naive, clueless and trusting person could be played. It doesn't make you bad,  but I hope you got smarter 

now, i found out that she has a boyfriend, all here friends that i have met, have a boyfriend, and still they are all active on that site, and i know everyday more and more about them

It is also very well known fact that some girls work for agencies. They will try to keep clients to use an agency's services as long as possible.  Better to stay away from the agencies that offer pay-per-letter and video chat services not allowing the personal information exchange. If a girl insists on using an agency pay-per-letter and video chat services it is already a red flag.

Just don't let your expensive lesson to discourage you and good luck 

[Eduard]

Эдичка, чем Долл донимать, лучше запроси перевод этого поста- ч-рт ногу сломит.

[Eduard]

Ok, the summary, guys, IF YOU, GUYS, WRITE TO 2 WOMEN THAT KNOW EACH OTHER, TELL ABOUT LOVE TO ONE OF THEM AND SEND MONEY FOR THE TRIP TO YOUR PLACE TO ANOTHER ONE AND they both are fine with it there is about 1000% chance they may not be serious

a very reasonable summary! 

[bruttus]

Bruttus,
 
Vasilisa is helping you by pointing out some flaws.  It may not seem like help because she is speaking candidly.   However, she is speaking from a RW perspective.   In contrast, Marina and Elizaveta told you what you wanted to hear.   They were not candid, and in fact deceived you.
   
Most RW would have given up by now with you, but Vasilisa is hanging in there, attempting to teach you a lesson so you will be a better man if you decide to date women again.      
To help me, please tell me if my understanding is correct.  And please answer some questions.   

You were interested primarily in Marina.  I assume most of your video chats were with her. 
What did she say in video chats about looking for a foreign man?   Did she ever say she was interested in marriage with a foreign man?  Did she mention that she had a local boyfriend?   

I assume you went to Ukraine to meet Marina.   You had to make plans such as buy an air flight ticket.  When did Elizaveta contact you?  After you purchased your ticket or before?  Do you have the email she sent you introducing herself as a friend of Marina and thus a friend of yours?   What else did she say?  Did she suggest something such as meeting?

Did you have video chats with Elizaveta?

How much time (percentage) did you spend alone with Elizaveta?  Alone with Marina?  With Marina and Elizaveta together?  (For example, was it 20%, 30% and 50%).

One of these women took travel money you gave her to fly to Belgium and she went to Italy instead.  Who?  When was that?
 
If you do this again, please read the Ten Commandments for men meeting RW, especially 1, 3 and 4:
 
   http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=especial;sa=page;p=34

marina told me that she wanted to go away from Ukraine, to have a better life, so she was searching for a foreign man to give here that
and no, she always said that there was no one else, not local, not another foreign man

elizaveta contacted me before i came to Ukraine, i met elizaveta at the second videochat with marina
well, i don't have that letter anymore, because i closed mine account by yeva
i remember that she was introducing hereself, and was talking about cars, witch elizaveta asked to me, what kind of car would i compare with here, witch mine answer was a c4 (that is something i never do it again)
but yes, she wanted also to be a friend of mine,because of mine intrest in marina, because that was normal in here country (who am i then to judge about other cultures)
for the rest, i didn't expected to see elizaveta, i was there for marina

how much with elizaveta, not much, it really depends, sometimes i saw here a couple times a week, and then i didn't hear from elizaveta for weeks or months, and suddenly she was there again

in %: elizaveta 20%, marina 70% both 10%


elizaveta was the one who was asking money and wanted to come to Belgium
she showed up, 1 week before i came for the 3Th time to Ukraine, and after a couple day's of communicating with each other, she asked the money

well, i can say, about the 4Th point, during mine second trip to Ukraine, i was invited by marina's parents to meet them

[Doll]

 

[Doll]

a very reasonable summary! 

Потому и- аминь!

[Doll]

"Дуракам закон не писан, если писан, то не читан, если читан, то не понят, если понят, то не так"
Аминь.
 

[Gator]

i remember that she was introducing hereself, and was talking about cars, witch elizaveta asked to me, what kind of car would i compare with here, witch mine answer was a c4 (that is something i never do it again)

Considering her interest in Italy, a Ferrari would have been a good answer.  You could have said a 2CV    (when working for the UN in Iran, my Swedish friend had one, 425 cc).  It felt like a motorcycle on four wheels.  Very utilitarian.

Thanks for your candid answers.   You do show some bravery in revealing all.
From reading your responses, it is clear that Marina deceived you if she did indeed have a boyfriend.    So she is 80% reponsible for what happened uo to and including the first day of your first trip.  Most RW will respond affectionately if they like you.   A man should never linger without any signs of affection.   But to take a second and third trip to see the same unaffectionate woman is incredulous.  So 100% of the blame is on your shoulders for the second day and everything afterwards.

It was odd for her to introduce you to her parents.  I guess her parents were interested in her job at the agency and wanted to meet a victim.    [Sorry]
 
Elizaveta?!   You knew this woman, had no sex with her and gave her money to fly to meet you in Belgium.  Again, you fault 100%.
 
Based on the percentages you were not two-timing (dating behind her back) Marina.   One of the biggest sins is to date one woman seriously and then hit (try to get some action) on her friend.  It is usually punishable by a kick into the testicles.  However, in your case the two of them knew about it and were okay with it.  Elizaveta is an enigma. 

[Doll]

 
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   So 100% of the blame is on your shoulders for the second day and everything afterwards.

   Again, you fault 100%.
 
 .

Heloooooooo! 

[OlgaH]

  Elizaveta is an enigma.

In such case all scammers are enigma 

[Doll]

Gator, you owe Vasilisa and me an apology, actually- two.
Many of them)))) For "the country of deceit" for "ignorance of 95% of Russians, for "Doll's values".
Hello!