scammed by yeva4u

[ML]

Not exactly the same....one party  in your sampling never had the money while the other party actually did.
But anyway, I wish Bruttus the very best in his future. Although tapering off this silly international dating scene will likely do him wonders...

OK point taken; change it to the bank robbers were arrested after handing the teller the note and just before she hands over some cash (maybe with the ink packet, maybe not).   

Just reminded me the story (supposedly true) that a guy goes into bank to rob it.  He writes teller a robbery note on back of deposit slip.  He tires of standing in line, so exits the bank and goes up to teller at bank across street.  The teller there says she can't complete the 'transaction' because the deposit slip is for bank across street.  He dutifully leaves and crosses the street . . . while teller puts in call to police.   

[LAman]

And where is your pro bono comment for those of opposite persuasion?
 

Why nobody asked before what was motivation from a third party..
If you injected too....maybe the 'pro bono' goes for others.
I have always said the truth 'lies' between the thoughts and the actions as in one's perceptions of events.
I thought it was hilarious to use what someone/anyone says in Facebook as truth because from one moment to the next it can change....or the flavor gets old...remember that saying...talk is cheap. I have said little here because I do not or anybody else, even mila and bruttus, really know what happened but by bruttus's behavior in both situations in this thread, he really needs someone to hold his hand and guide him at every moment. He needs to get his shit together or this will happen over and over and over....

[ML]

Why nobody asked before what was motivation from a third party..
If you injected too....maybe the 'pro bono' goes for others.
I have always said the truth 'lies' between the thoughts and the actions as in one's perceptions of events.
I thought it was hilarious to use what someone/anyone says in Facebook as truth because from one moment to the next it can change....or the flavor gets old...remember that saying...talk is cheap. I have said little here because I do not or anybody else, even mila and bruttus, really know what happened but by bruttus's behavior in both situations in this thread, he really needs someone to hold his hand and guide him at every moment. He needs to get his shit together or this will happen over and over and over....

I pretty much agree with all you have written above.
I wrote early in the thread that I knew no more about the actual truth than anyone else.
But I tried to use my analysis training to lay out some questions in logical fashion, to get answers, and then proceed from there.
However, such attempts don't get very far when others change the wording of their responses just enough to make it seem like they are answering or responding to previous comments . . . when in fact they are not.

[LAman]

I pretty much agree with all you have written above.
I wrote early in the thread that I knew no more about the actual truth than anyone else.
But I tried to use my analysis training to lay out some questions in logical fashion, to get answers, and then proceed from there.
However, such attempts don't get very far when others change the wording of their responses just enough to make it seem like they are answering or responding to previous comments . . . when in fact they are not.

Just like any court room ML......why deal with any truth.....just slam the other side...
I tend to look at both sides and compare histories and in my own mind which is more believable. More times than not it is in the middle somewhere

[Faux Pas]

I pretty much agree with all you have written above.
I wrote early in the thread that I knew no more about the actual truth than anyone else.
But I tried to use my analysis training to lay out some questions in logical fashion, to get answers, and then proceed from there.
However, such attempts don't get very far when others change the wording of their responses just enough to make it seem like they are answering or responding to previous comments . . . when in fact they are not.

Oh my gawd, you were scammed! How much did you pay for that analysis training? 

[Vaughn]

i had the right to chose, so, it comes on me annyway...

bruttus, you wrote that over one year ago. You still fail to exercise your right to choose, as if saying NO or No Thank You is the wrong thing to do. No agent nor agency put a gun to your head demanding you meet any girl against your own will.
 
bruttus, may I (and others) make some positive suggestions for the future?

[lonedrake]

What an interesting thread On one hand Mies says bruttus is not a liar....and on the other hand Faux Pas is calling him a liar in no uncertain terms. Both respected third party RWD members that only want the truth.

 I went back and took a look at some of the things bruttus said.

and suddenly see that the genuine girl go to a other country, from the previeus guy whille you still send money for contact, english lessons, then don't you ask some questions about it

on the other side, mine apartment, well, i didn't believe that i paid almost nothing to rent 1, it was bigger, well, sorry, but also cheaper then the apartment that i have rented in Zaporozhye
The one in Kharkov was bigger, cleaner and in a better neighberhood than the apartment in Zaporozhye
so this is one of the reasons why i don't believe that mila has scammed me
because of the apartment and the help that she has given to me

but i believe that i wasn't scammed, i think that what i have payed for using mila's service's was correct for mine staying there
mila did her best to make me comfortable for mine staying there, and thanks to her, i have seen a lot of Kharkov, so i had a good time there and she did her best that i was forgetting those scammers from Zaporozhye, what in fact a difficult task was

but when i was there in Kharkov, i did more research, and i stumbled to that young girls fbprofile
so for the rest of the trip, i knew about that other guy, but i embraced the fact that while i was meeting several girls to find at least genuine girl that fits me, so i find it justified that she meet several foreign men

i'm not gonna use mila's agency anymore, not because of mila, but i have mine doubts about it, but because 1 of here genuine lady's
i wonder to start, when i was there, i knew that i had competition about the same girl, but i hoped for a fair chance
i was wrong, just 2 weeks later when i came back, that girl and that guy was writting love poems to each other on to fb, when i asked about it, because that girl didn't do annything to communicate with me, she told me to forgive here, but she likes that guy very mutch

i know that
but still, the apartment where i was, was really nice, and in a good neighborhood, so for that i really don't mind to pay a bit extra for milla

i had mine first date, well, i had a total of 3 different dates but i always came back to the first girl
Not that because she was young, but she had something what the other woman didn't had, diffcult to explain, but i felt more relaxted with here then with mine other dates, nonethe less, all the 3 woman's where really good looking

i went to back to the first girl who i dated first (well, i had already 3 dates with that girl, before i tacked a small break of dating)
I spended the rest of mine time with here, went to bowling with here and Mila, swimming in the indoorswimming pool at Kharkov, and burning myself as red lobster at a spring somewhere near Kharkov, with of course a barbecue that Mila and here husband has prepared

well anyway, I'm back in Ukraine, in Kharkov with mila
everything went fine, except the organisation of trains

Well, this time i went for a trip to Kharkov, under guidance from Mila, wherefor mine thanks for the really good times and help

i do not say that i was scammed, but i feel used by that girl
For me, i think that Mila was correct for her services, so i don't believe that i was scammed by Mila, she really did her best for me

yes, i knew about that other guy, and i decided to go take the competition,

and some people really had to convince me that i was scammed by Mila,

 Now we must wait for the third "scam"

well, next year, i have talked with a friend from Zaporozhye (he worked as an agent in yeva4u, but was fired), and he told me to do it his way
first as friends, and I've i meet a genuine girl, and if she don't speak English, i have to pay him as translator

[Stirlitz]

Excellent sampling of quotes, Lonedrake. May I add just one? It fits well:
 

but what Mila did to me, you find that normal????

Who can answer this question having read bruttus’ other statements above?
I cannot. I am puzzled.

[CDW]

Time to move on
======  THE END ======

[Stirlitz]

For once, I cannot but agree.
Please lock the thread!

[Boethius]

I don't think there is a reason to lock the thread.  From this thread, I'd say were I a foreign man looking for a woman in Ukraine, I wouldn't have an issue with Mila's translation services, but no way would I ever use her for matchmaking. 

[Faux Pas]

I don't think there is a reason to lock the thread.  From this thread, I'd say were I a foreign man looking for a woman in Ukraine, I wouldn't have an issue with Mila's translation services, but no way would I ever use her for matchmaking.

Thus, bruttus's attempt at slander would have been successful. When one put's together the info provided on this thread, it doesn't add up. I would have no problem using any of Mila's services if I were in the market for such. How can one defend against baseless, unfounded and false accusations from a very unstable individual?

[Boethius]

The only thing that swayed me was that both the girl and the Mexican guy had "in a relationship" in their facebook statuses as of February, 2012, just as bruttus claimed. I would have said that, too, was not Mila's responsibility, but for the fact it was stated, IIRC, that the girl was a friend of Mila's (i.e., not a stranger to her).

[Faux Pas]

The only thing that swayed me was that both the girl and the Mexican guy had "in a relationship" in their facebook statuses as of February, 2012, just as bruttus claimed. I would have said that, too, was not Mila's responsibility, but for the fact it was stated, IIRC, that the girl was a friend of Mila's (i.e., not a stranger to her).

He got some mileage out of that ,too. This girl wanted to meet bruttus, asked that her profile be given bruttus, it was. bruttus picked the girl. The girl did not choose to carry on a relationship with bruttus. This is Mila's fault? Should there have been mention of the other 2,4,6 men the girl met or corresponded with? What about the women bruttus had met previously? Does the supposed "full disclosure policy" pertain just to the girl or bruttus too?

[Boethius]

But she had already posted she was in a relationship with someone else.  It is not the same as dating several men and not knowing which to choose.


While I agree, bruttus failed to "woo" her, and no person is the property of another, when you are committed, even if you are only 21, you should not be leading other men on. 


As I posted, I had no issue with Mila on this, other than the fact the girl was a friend of her, so, presumably, she'd have more knowledge than if she did not know her personally.

[GQBlues]

But she had already posted she was in a relationship with someone else.  It is not the same as dating several men and not knowing which to choose...

I think mies touched on this upthread, Boe. Likely just lost in translation.

[CDW]

Don't you have better things to do - you are gossiping like old women!!! 

 I wrote "TIME TO MOVE ON - THE END"

[Faux Pas]

But she had already posted she was in a relationship with someone else.  It is not the same as dating several men and not knowing which to choose.


While I agree, bruttus failed to "woo" her, and no person is the property of another, when you are committed, even if you are only 21, you should not be leading other men on. 


As I posted, I had no issue with Mila on this, other than the fact the girl was a friend of her, so, presumably, she'd have more knowledge than if she did not know her personally.

Boe,
You're overlooking the time line. After bruttus dated this girl a couple of times and became smitten with her, she did not encourage bruttus. In fact quite the opposite. He stalked her on facebook and it wasn't until almost 2 months later that she is in Mexico that bruttus somehow has a case of high morality that she wasn't a genuine girl. When he can no longer ignore the writing on the wall does he suddenly get an epiphany that she was not genuine and it is Mila's fault. There was actually another reason why he blames Mila and it has nothing to do with the girl. That was another of his lies.

The girl is apparently happily married and living in Mexico. Obviously her choice. bruttus in his *cough* state of mind, feels wronged and wants someone to pay. If you are Mila, how can you defend yourself against these false allegations from a very unstable source?

edit to add; anyone can write anything on facebook that they wish. Regardless of what mies saw and at what point she saw it does not negate bruttus's own actions IMHO

[Boethius]

I'd agree with you, FP, however, as I read it, bruttus visited the girl in July, and by that time, she was, at least by her status, committed to someone else.  The issue is whether Mila know about the FB status, which for young people, is typically indicative of what's going on in their lives.  Isn't Mila the one who suggested that girl in the first place? 

[Faux Pas]

I'd agree with you, FP, however, as I read it, bruttus visited the girl in July, and by that time, she was, at least by her status, committed to someone else.

bruttus visited at the end of June, left early July. The girl met the Mexican latter August, went to Mexico in September.

The issue is whether Mila know about the FB status,

Not germane. I don't know if she did or didn't. She told Mila that she wasn't in a relationship. Mila knew the girl, knew her to be a good serious girl, which she was.

which for young people, is typically indicative of what's going on in their lives.

Typically for young people changes as much or more than underwear.

Isn't Mila the one who suggested that girl in the first place?

Suggested along with many other profiles. bruttus choose her from her profile along with 4 others and paid to be introduced to them. Knowing all along her age and choose her of his own accord

[Boethius]

I thought bruttus met her in July 2012, and her status was changed in February, 2012.  Surely, she was planning her trip by the time she met bruttus?


Granted, some young people fall in and out of "love" often, but my point was just that this girl was someone Mila knew.  No matter what one thinks of bruttus, he was successful in accomplishing his goal here.

[Shadow]

From what I know, Mila did know she met the Mexican guy and had asked her if she was involved with him, to which the girl replied with 'no',
Perhaps the invitation to Mexico developed during or after the trip, perhaps the girl was not as genuine as bruttus claims.

the point bruttus makes is that he was still in the process of wooing the girl and had offered to pay for English lessons when he noticed the FB profile. He believes that Mila did not inform him clear enough the girl was not interested in him and
Hard to say where the blame exactly lies, but one of the problems here is that bruttus would be better off with an interpreter directly in to his native language.

[Faux Pas]

I thought bruttus met her in July 2012, and her status was changed in February, 2012.  Surely, she was planning her trip by the time she met bruttus?

He met her in June/July 2012. He claims in September that her status reflects a relationship with the Mexican dating back to February. Did he not notice her status in July when he was stalking her on FB after being kicked to the curb? Kind of convenient isn't it? 

Granted, some young people fall in and out of "love" often, but my point was just that this girl was someone Mila knew.  No matter what one thinks of bruttus, he was successful in accomplishing his goal here.

Mila said she knew the girl and considered her a friend. The girl told her she was not in a relationship. Even if she was in some sort of relationship, it was not enough to stop her from wanting meeting bruttus or him to meet her. He had his opportunity. By bruttus's own admission she was not genuine, then she is genuine.

You're usually razor sharp on these declarations Boe, you're slipping some? 

[Faux Pas]

From what I know, Mila did know she met the Mexican guy and had asked her if she was involved with him, to which the girl replied with 'no',
Perhaps the invitation to Mexico developed during or after the trip, perhaps the girl was not as genuine as bruttus claims.

the point bruttus makes is that he was still in the process of wooing the girl and had offered to pay for English lessons when he noticed the FB profile. He believes that Mila did not inform him clear enough the girl was not interested in him and
Hard to say where the blame exactly lies, but one of the problems here is that bruttus would be better off with an interpreter directly in to his native language.

There was never any English lessons ever discussed. bruttus said he paid for them then, saw her FB page and withdrew the money. I don't know if a paypal account that you can pay and then take it back and even if there was such an account, his time line does not reflect that. The girl had nothing further to do with him after a 2nd short skype in July.

The guy has told so many lies he can't keep them straight. I question all of his claims about Yeva

[Shadow]

There was never any English lessons ever discussed. bruttus said he paid for them then, saw her FB page and withdrew the money. I don't know if a paypal account that you can pay and then take it back and even if there was such an account, his time line does not reflect that. The girl had nothing further to do with him after a 2nd short skype in July.

The guy has told so many lies he can't keep them straight. I question all of his claims about Yeva

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