New to the game

[sdsurf]

I'm currently on elana's models and have a few questions. The woman on the site seem legit but i'm still skeptical. I read a few posts that says you most spend between 30k to 50k to find a russian wife. Is this true? If it is true I think I'm going to spend that type of money on a 370z convertible and I'll stay on the match/ chemistry dating sites. I feel i still have game, 39 yrs old, i have hair, body is in good shape, i work in healthcare. Any opinions, facts, pointers, whatever you have to say is welcomed.

[ML]

With  the 370z, all you will have to show for your money is a car.

Spend that same money on the pursuit of a FSUW, and you will have many memories.  Let's hope the good will outweigh the bad.

When you are in the nursing home, which will you cherish most . . . the car or your memories?

I still remember the former airline stewardess who took me for the  flight of my life.

I remember the many gals who performed private dances for me (no, not lap dancers in bars).

I remember the gal who made me my first blini and another who made my first borscht.

I remember the former gymnast who could do interesting positions.
(Not this gal, but  similar body)  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d7_1185851156

I remember the first gal who sang me Ukrainian folk songs she learned from her Grandmother.  Sounded very sexy, but I presume not.

And on and on.

[JohnDearGreen]

I read a few posts that says you most spend between 30k to 50k to find a russian wife. Is this true? .... Any opinions, facts, pointers, whatever you have to say is welcomed.

Another guy asked same question about a year ago.  A couple of guys stated they got by on around 10k but that is a very low number.   You should subtract off the amount you would normally spend on your regular vacations in the US.   And you could quit going to the single bars, singles activities, and local dating 4 nights a week.  Both of those can add up to about 5k or more a year.  I would say a minimum of 20k over 2 years for 4 or 5 trips.  Then subtract off the 5k per year you would otherwise spend and it is not too bad.

[newjason]

I'm currently on elana's models and have a few questions. The woman on the site seem legit but i'm still skeptical. I read a few posts that says you most spend between 30k to 50k to find a russian wife. Is this true? If it is true I think I'm going to spend that type of money on a 370z convertible and I'll stay on the match/ chemistry dating sites. I feel i still have game, 39 yrs old, i have hair, body is in good shape, i work in healthcare. Any opinions, facts, pointers, whatever you have to say is welcomed.

Hi, sdsurf

Welcome.

you are seeking advice, you will get many different forms of it here for sure. In the End you will make your own decision and I hope you find the advice you seek.
 
So, what's the skinny?    Here it is...

You have to ask yourself what your goal is.

If it is to find a wife,  Then the car is probably not going to help you much. 
Unless of course you want hot 22 year old gold digger driving it around while you try to chase after her and wonder why she is never home.

Having your hair and health is good.
Having Game is good if you are dating bar flies and just wanna get laid, But not really useful in looking for a partner.
 
Consider what you are about to attempt:

You will be exchanging virtual communications with - what you hope is the person represented in the photos and videos. But you really never know for sure until you share a cup of tea face to face.

This will mean you  will be taking a lot of this on faith, and If you have read anything about this, it's not always in your favour to do so, as this is what the industry feeds upon.

So , Lets say you luck out, and you find a suitable woman.
Let's  go so far as to say you go to her, and meet her,  and you have some chemistry. 
Let's say everything goes ideally on your visit.
The most I can imagine you staying on one trip is 14 days with one woman. 
Any more than that,  you run the risk of " moving too fast" 
Would you like to have a stranger hanging around you constantly for days on end, even If you liked them, You need to function  in your normal routine and so does she, so best case, you will have a date every night or so.
 
OK, so now you return home. All went well, and you both want to further a romantic relationship.

So you spend the next year, working and planning and taking 3 - 4 more trips, to spend time and build a relationship with a woman.
So you maybe have spent a total of 8 weeks together, actual face time. 
Now If everything is in order, let's say you ask her to marry you.
Let's say she says Yes.

Now you need to pay for a wedding. 
Do you think your wife's dream was to elope in Vegas, or a 30 min trip through ZAGS? 
I can tell you , No, it was not, so even if you Do a shotgun wedding for the purpose of starting the paperwork, or if you have her come here on a K_1,  You are still going to have wedding expenses For a real traditional wedding at some point.

Now,  you are married. 
Cool you have reached your goal.

Only, that is not the end.
You have just begun.
There will be culture shock, adaptation and a learning period when in you will need to spend a lot of time, teaching , educating, supporting and empathizing with your new wife. 
She will need a car.
She needs to learn how to drive first though.
She will need more care and support than you can conceive, and you will need more patience and empathy than you can imagine.

So, to say 30-50K will cover this is very misleading. 
You are looking to marry a wife, not buy a trophy to keep beside your car.

If you can't keep this commitment , to do every thing I have mentioned above and then more,  You should not be looking abroad, period. 
If you have any question in your mind that you have what it takes to nurture another person into an equal marriage, then you should not look abroad.
 
The fact that you are asking that question, and you have concerns about where your money is best spent, shows that you are not ready for this responsibility.

I don't mean to sound harsh, or to burst your bubble (fantasy), But that is what you need to hear before you jump in and discover how it is 100x harder than you had ever dreamed.

This is My Opinion of Course and because it is just that, I can only draw from my personal experiences.

That being said, all is not lost if it is still your desire to date a FSUW.

There are many of them who are already in the country, have already learned the language,  have went through the culture shock and are experienced and ready to start dating.
Why not start with those women first? 

Your chances of success will be much greater, and the savings will be tremendous.
Enough that you may even be able to buy HER a new car on your first wedding anniversary.


Jason

[Daveman]

I'm currently on elana's models and have a few questions. The woman on the site seem legit but i'm still skeptical. I read a few posts that says you most spend between 30k to 50k to find a russian wife. Is this true?...

EM is a legit site.. there are always bad girls and bad men on good sites.


Finding a Russian wife is a piece of cake. You can find one in a single trip.  However, finding a compatible woman with whom you have chemistry, with whom you can actually live under the same roof without one of you changing address to the local cemetery, with whom you have a solid foundation of commonality to build a relationship -- that's the tricky part.  And finding THAT one can add up over time. 


I honestly don't know exactly how much I've spent... I can only say that the treasure who is my wife is absolutely invaluably priceless.

[Faux Pas]

I suggest you go ahead and get the car. At least you can make some affordable payments on it?

If the money is that important to you, you are in the wrong game. This pursuit can get expensive. Some spent much more than 30-40K, some much less. Many guys gauge success on the amount they've spent. Kind'a of like they "got over on someone" if they spent less than the dollar amounts bandied about. IMHO, if it's about the money, you've already failed. If you can't afford whatever the price tag ends up being, stop now and buy the car.

I don't know how much I spent, I really don't. I'd guess between 25-30K. And that was before the real expenses kicked in. I've been married going on 3 years now and if I had known or had a guarantee that I'd have found my wife prior, I would have gladly paid whatever it took. Go all in here guy or get all out.

[sdsurf]

Wow, some positive and many negative responses. Apparently I've come to the mile high club with a half empty pockets. I'm looking for advice, which I liked. I guess if I got married in Vegas I would have midget Elvis's and show girls as my witness. I guess I'll lurk on the site and wait and see. I'm tired of American woman and how they dress and act. I feel that Russian woman seem to be more family oriented and dress nicer. I'm on the fence and realized this is the big leagues. I'm not looking for the trophy wife or up for foreign sex games.
For me it's meeting the right woman and hopefully marriage would be in the future

[Patagonie]

Hi, sdsurf

Welcome.

you are seeking advice, you will get many different forms of it here for sure. In the End you will make your own decision and I hope you find the advice you seek.
 
So, what's the skinny?    Here it is...

You have to ask yourself what your goal is.

If it is to find a wife,  Then the car is probably not going to help you much. 
Unless of course you want hot 22 year old gold digger driving it around while you try to chase after her and wonder why she is never home.

Having your hair and health is good.
Having Game is good if you are dating bar flies and just wanna get laid, But not really useful in looking for a partner.
 
Consider what you are about to attempt:

You will be exchanging virtual communications with - what you hope is the person represented in the photos and videos. But you really never know for sure until you share a cup of tea face to face.

This will mean you  will be taking a lot of this on faith, and If you have read anything about this, it's not always in your favour to do so, as this is what the industry feeds upon.

So , Lets say you luck out, and you find a suitable woman.
Let's  go so far as to say you go to her, and meet her,  and you have some chemistry. 
Let's say everything goes ideally on your visit.
The most I can imagine you staying on one trip is 14 days with one woman. 
Any more than that,  you run the risk of " moving too fast" 
Would you like to have a stranger hanging around you constantly for days on end, even If you liked them, You need to function  in your normal routine and so does she, so best case, you will have a date every night or so.
 
OK, so now you return home. All went well, and you both want to further a romantic relationship.

So you spend the next year, working and planning and taking 3 - 4 more trips, to spend time and build a relationship with a woman.
So you maybe have spent a total of 8 weeks together, actual face time. 
Now If everything is in order, let's say you ask her to marry you.
Let's say she says Yes.

Now you need to pay for a wedding. 
Do you think your wife's dream was to elope in Vegas, or a 30 min trip through ZAGS? 
I can tell you , No, it was not, so even if you Do a shotgun wedding for the purpose of starting the paperwork, or if you have her come here on a K_1,  You are still going to have wedding expenses For a real traditional wedding at some point.

Now,  you are married. 
Cool you have reached your goal.

Only, that is not the end.
You have just begun.
There will be culture shock, adaptation and a learning period when in you will need to spend a lot of time, teaching , educating, supporting and empathizing with your new wife. 
She will need a car.
She needs to learn how to drive first though.
She will need more care and support than you can conceive, and you will need more patience and empathy than you can imagine.

So, to say 30-50K will cover this is very misleading. 
You are looking to marry a wife, not buy a trophy to keep beside your car.

If you can't keep this commitment , to do every thing I have mentioned above and then more,  You should not be looking abroad, period. 
If you have any question in your mind that you have what it takes to nurture another person into an equal marriage, then you should not look abroad.
 
The fact that you are asking that question, and you have concerns about where your money is best spent, shows that you are not ready for this responsibility.

I don't mean to sound harsh, or to burst your bubble (fantasy), But that is what you need to hear before you jump in and discover how it is 100x harder than you had ever dreamed.

This is My Opinion of Course and because it is just that, I can only draw from my personal experiences.

That being said, all is not lost if it is still your desire to date a FSUW.

There are many of them who are already in the country, have already learned the language,  have went through the culture shock and are experienced and ready to start dating.
Why not start with those women first? 

Your chances of success will be much greater, and the savings will be tremendous.
Enough that you may even be able to buy HER a new car on your first wedding anniversary.


Jason

+1

[Faux Pas]

Wow, some positive and many negative responses. Apparently I've come to the mile high club with a half empty pockets. I'm looking for advice, which I liked. I guess if I got married in Vegas I would have midget Elvis's and show girls as my witness. I guess I'll lurk on the site and wait and see. I'm tired of American woman and how they dress and act. I feel that Russian woman seem to be more family oriented and dress nicer. I'm on the fence and realized this is the big leagues. I'm not looking for the trophy wife or up for foreign sex games.
For me it's meeting the right woman and hopefully marriage would be in the future

 

You asked the question here guy and now you don't like the answer? Nobody here knows how much money you have or whether you can afford it. Only you know that. However, we have seen the statements you made before and those posters result. You might be able to snag you a RW for less than 10K and still wish you had bought the car. If you are looking for a sound financial investment really, buy the car or play the lottery. 

[Darth_Budda]

You asked the question here guy and now you don't like the answer? Nobody here knows how much money you have or whether you can afford it. Only you know that. However, we have seen the statements you made before and those posters result. You might be able to snag you a RW for less than 10K and still wish you had bought the car. If you are looking for a sound financial investment really, buy the car or play the lottery. 

Marriage is cheap!! 

Divorces are the expensive part,,, 

during the last 3 years I sent my lawyer to Norway and South Africa...

LoL,, If you don't laugh, than you got to cry....


EDIT:

Not a rich man?
Go after a working class RW or UW...
Hair dressers, physical trainers girls like that..

Not the biggest fan of capitalism/corporatism...
Don't worry the CP is gaining ground in Russia.. somewhere around 30% of the vote I think..

I have no personal experience with the cost, yet,,, But from what i have researched and depending on were you live...

3-4K a trip,,, low end...
and
10K for marriage and red tape...

So around 20K in the least.. might be a materialist/realistic average...

Than plan on at least 1 trip a year after that so you can visit the family..

Add in more money to buy your self some land for retirement and zap...
you got a life plan...

In Russia or Ukraine you may be able to find some investment opportunities to help pay for this retirement.

Not sure how this sounds, I am sure at least someone will critic my post...

[sdsurf]

Listen to the guru, got it, don't listen get racked over the coals. The last poster has some helpful advice thank you. I like this forum.

[Spoon]

Treat your search for a Wife much the same way as you would for the car.....the results may surprise you

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ff6806e133/new-used

[Eduard]

when I was single I drove a 300ZX. Now that I am married with children we drive a minivan and an SUV. Do I miss a sports car? Sometimes. Can I live without it? Definitely!!! Could I live without my family? No way!!! One thing I've learned is that material things don't make us happy. Having people around who love us, having your child give you a tight hug and tell you: "papa, I love you so much!", having your wife tell you how much she appreciates and loves you - this is what happiness is about. No car can replace that...

[2tallbill]

Listen to the guru, got it, don't listen get racked over the coals. The last poster has some helpful advice thank you. I like this forum.

There is a lot of information here my advice is as follows.


Do the research, read, read and then read some more. As you research you
will have questions, you can do a search and find them or come back and here
and ask them.


You will get a lot of advice, sometimes seemingly at odds with other advice.
Your job is to sift through the advice and use what will work for you, your
situation and your personality. Don't take any of the advice / comments personally.


Udachi !


Bill

[Muzh]

Welcome surfer.

As the Admin posted elsewhere, pay attention to the substance of the post and you'll be fine. Remember, we are faceless so you cannot see the body language and that can make a world of difference.

Faux Pas was a little harsh but right on the money. Concentrate on the substance.

This can get very expensive for those who are hard of hearing. Just a friendly advice.

Good Luck.

[Manny]

Hi, sdsurf

Welcome.

you are seeking advice, you will get many different forms of it here for sure. In the End you will make your own decision and I hope you find the advice you seek.
 
So, what's the skinny?    Here it is...

You have to ask yourself what your goal is.

If it is to find a wife,  Then the car is probably not going to help you much. 
Unless of course you want hot 22 year old gold digger driving it around while you try to chase after her and wonder why she is never home.

Having your hair and health is good.
Having Game is good if you are dating bar flies and just wanna get laid, But not really useful in looking for a partner.
 
Consider what you are about to attempt:

You will be exchanging virtual communications with - what you hope is the person represented in the photos and videos. But you really never know for sure until you share a cup of tea face to face.

This will mean you  will be taking a lot of this on faith, and If you have read anything about this, it's not always in your favour to do so, as this is what the industry feeds upon.

So , Lets say you luck out, and you find a suitable woman.
Let's  go so far as to say you go to her, and meet her,  and you have some chemistry. 
Let's say everything goes ideally on your visit.
The most I can imagine you staying on one trip is 14 days with one woman. 
Any more than that,  you run the risk of " moving too fast" 
Would you like to have a stranger hanging around you constantly for days on end, even If you liked them, You need to function  in your normal routine and so does she, so best case, you will have a date every night or so.
 
OK, so now you return home. All went well, and you both want to further a romantic relationship.

So you spend the next year, working and planning and taking 3 - 4 more trips, to spend time and build a relationship with a woman.
So you maybe have spent a total of 8 weeks together, actual face time. 
Now If everything is in order, let's say you ask her to marry you.
Let's say she says Yes.

Now you need to pay for a wedding. 
Do you think your wife's dream was to elope in Vegas, or a 30 min trip through ZAGS? 
I can tell you , No, it was not, so even if you Do a shotgun wedding for the purpose of starting the paperwork, or if you have her come here on a K_1,  You are still going to have wedding expenses For a real traditional wedding at some point.

Now,  you are married. 
Cool you have reached your goal.

Only, that is not the end.
You have just begun.
There will be culture shock, adaptation and a learning period when in you will need to spend a lot of time, teaching , educating, supporting and empathizing with your new wife. 
She will need a car.
She needs to learn how to drive first though.
She will need more care and support than you can conceive, and you will need more patience and empathy than you can imagine.

So, to say 30-50K will cover this is very misleading. 
You are looking to marry a wife, not buy a trophy to keep beside your car.

If you can't keep this commitment , to do every thing I have mentioned above and then more,  You should not be looking abroad, period. 
If you have any question in your mind that you have what it takes to nurture another person into an equal marriage, then you should not look abroad.
 
The fact that you are asking that question, and you have concerns about where your money is best spent, shows that you are not ready for this responsibility.

I don't mean to sound harsh, or to burst your bubble (fantasy), But that is what you need to hear before you jump in and discover how it is 100x harder than you had ever dreamed.

This is My Opinion of Course and because it is just that, I can only draw from my personal experiences.

That being said, all is not lost if it is still your desire to date a FSUW.

There are many of them who are already in the country, have already learned the language,  have went through the culture shock and are experienced and ready to start dating.
Why not start with those women first? 

Your chances of success will be much greater, and the savings will be tremendous.
Enough that you may even be able to buy HER a new car on your first wedding anniversary.


Jason

+2.

As you have learned already by reading, this is not a cheap endeavour. The money need not be found all at once, but it will need to be found. Your future living expenses will be increased also due to stuff you are not yet thinking about but will cost you money down the road. After you have imported the object of your desire (and given your government some money to enable that), then come extra insurances, a car and tuition, dental expenses, perhaps further education and language classes, etc. Add into the mix that she wont be working any time soon, and if she does it will likely be menial and low paid (which is why many don't bother).

Yes, its not cheap overall. If you are not sold on the idea and are still balancing the idea against buying a car, I would get the car and keep dating the ladies from Match.

IMO, $30k-$50k will be entry level. And that is assuming you get it right first time.

[LAman]

Marriage is cheap!! 

Divorces are the expensive part,,, 

 
 
 

Hmmmmm...mine was different.
Getting married costed $14000
Getting divorced costed $375
Guess it depends on the girl you choose!!!!

[GQBlues]

.... I read a few posts that says you most spend between 30k to 50k to find a russian wife. Is this true? If it is true I think I'm going to spend that type of money on a 370z convertible and I'll stay on the match/ chemistry dating sites. I feel i still have game, 39 yrs old, i have hair, body is in good shape, i work in healthcare. Any opinions, facts, pointers, whatever you have to say is welcomed....

Then stick with the car. At least even when you extoll serious mileage with one you're still assured of getting some of your money back or a trade-in value.


 

[Boethius]

Hmm, that was a little harsh to a new poster . . .

[GQBlues]

You think so?
 
The reason why I highlighted his statement above was to make sure I responded to the substance of his post, and not himself. No?
 
Additionally, he openly asked for an 'opinion' based on what we wrote.

[Faux Pas]

Hmm, that was a little harsh to a new poster . . .

Not really, he asked the question in his OP. He's appears to be looking for a shelter for his savings. The car in all likelihood is his better investment 

[Eduard]

Where is I/O??? I keep waiting for him to post: "I have a feeling the OP has left the building" 

[sdsurf]

op left the building yes, getting racked of the hot coals for asking a simple question. im back reading posts. But the responses to my post, seriously overboard.

[Faux Pas]

op left the building yes, getting racked of the hot coals for asking a simple question. im back reading posts. But the responses to my post, seriously overboard.

Are you any wiser than last April? What are you driving these days? 

[Daveman]

op left the building yes, getting racked of the hot coals for asking a simple question. im back reading posts. But the responses to my post, seriously overboard.

Heh, a few year ago you'd have been placed in a sack and thrown into the river during sign-up...  just to see if you'd be worthy of the clue bat. 


They were mostly mild in this thread.  This place is a wake-up call.  That loud alarm is annoying as hell but does serve a purpose. 


Actually, I saw your posts as humor rather than seriously weighing on the balance Car vs RussianBride.