The making of an effecient scam

[dragonfly]

All these letters are game for idiots.  I mean letters from so-called Nataly.

Prices for English lessons are fictitious!  We have no this kind of prices even in Kiev! 1 hour of private English lesson cost 15-25 hryvnas (3-5 dollars) here. Maybe a bit more...My friend works like English teacher at school and her lesson cost 15 hryvnas.

I took a look at document about their business. They call themself as news agency.

The goal of their work is collection, data handling...preparing information for distribution, publication and distribution of information product.

The owner is Vasyh Maria Vladimirovna (I can see her surename not very clear).

What does it mean?  

Maybe it is easy to evade penalty with this kind of document?

 

[dragonfly]

Well now, looks who's talking about spoiled? She's an angel AND she has an airplane named after her.....;)
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:)

 

[Jack]

Well, we received a scan copy of passport from Ms. Nataliya Zakyrdaeva. Darn, this Nataliya is young to own her own translation company, and good looking as well.
 
I have asked for the opinion of a couple of ladies from Ukraine about this passport. It seems this photo might have been placed over another photo. Notice the stamp in the upper right hand corner, it's imprint is not on this photo. And the top of the Z in the name Zakyrdaeva, what happened to it? Where's the top of the letter Z? This photo is covering it.
 
The agency Galaxy is telling Gomer no more letters from his Nataly. Awww shucks, now we won't be able to see Nataly's passport. Ok, if they want to play that way, Gomer won't send any money.
 
 
 
Dear Sir,

Sorry for the delay with answer but as you
know we had weekend here. We are sending you the
copy of the passport of our manager Nataliya Zakyrdaeva.
We would also like to inform you that we can't translate
letters in credit anymore (we have translated already 4,
2 letters from you and 2 letters from Nataly).
We will be waiting for the financial information from you
and will be ready to help you with anything you will need
once you are our client.

Sincerely,
"Galaxy-Plus"

[Jack]

Gomer's letter to his Nataly.
 
 
Hello my Nataly,

I went to Western Union today and sent $820 to Galaxy agency but I have not sent them the transfer control number. This is the ten digit number that Western Union assigns to each money transfer.

I have not sent your $500 because I have not received a copy of your passport. Galaxy did send me their's.

I know you want to begin these English lessons and I want you to as well and I know you need a cell phone but I cannot send your money, or send the transfer control number to Galaxy, until I see a copy of your passport.

I hope to see you very soon my baby Nataly.

Gomer
 
 
 
 
 
Gomer's letter to Galaxy.
 
 
 
Hello Ms. Zakyrdaeva,

I went to Western Union today and sent $820. I have this 10 digit code to send you.

I have sent Nataly an e-mail asking her to send me a copy of her passport and as soon as I get it will be able to send you this 10 digit transfer control number.

Thanks,

Gomer

 
 
 


 

[Jack]

Well, Gomer just got an e-mail from his Nataly.
 
Nothing was written in the e-mail. No Hello, no how are you, nothing, just a copy of her passport.
 
Nice photo for a passport photo, don't you think. And I notice the seal in the upper right hand corner, it doesn't cover the photo.
 
I was talking with Dragonfly earlier and she has a friend who lives close to Alchevsk who says their is no office at this address. I also suspect the address Nataly gave Gomer does not exist as well.
 
So let's see what this scammer does when they hear were going to hand deliver the money to these addresses.
 
 
Hello my Nataly,

I have sent you $500. I sent the money to someone I have used in the past from Lugansk who provided me with good service and they are going to hand deliver this money to you at your flat at Leningradskaya st.49A/88  in Alchevsk. I have told them you are in school during the day and to hand deliver after 7pm but before 9pm.

As soon as you get your cell phone I want you to send me an e-mail with your phone number. I look forward to hearing your voice.

The Galaxy agency should be getting the money for your English lessons tomorrow. As well you and I will have unlimited services for one month.

I will watch for your e-mail Nataly.

See you soon,

Gomer
 
 
 

 
 
 
Hello Ms. Zakyrdaeva,
 
I have sent $820 to Lugansk. I sent the money to someone I had used before in Lugansk who provided me with good service. They are going to hand deliver $820 to you at your office at Gmiry st.8/12 in Alchevsk. Once you receive please call Nataly and begin her English lessons.
 
Look forward to working with you.
 
Thanks,
 
Gomer
 
 
 

[dragonfly]

In my opinion, they use any computer program to create passport numbers.

Look attentively at passport numbers. Both girls have ALMOST the same passport numbers. It means that a man who uses special computer program can cut numbers from any scanned passport and put on another copy of passport.

Concerning girl's photo. It looks like these jokers cut a part of the picture (a picture of model girl) and put on the real photo.

Or... If passport numbers are real, it means both women first and second received their passports almost at the same time. What does it mean? It means they are next of kins, for example (when we got new Ukrainian passports, some families got new passports all together...for example, my ex mother-in-low and ex father-in-low have similar passport numbers, I know its for sure). I have heard sbout some scammers ask friends or nodding acquaintances to give them passports for receiving money on Western Union. These women get very little amount of money for using of their passports. Maybe there are exist 2 poor sister who are happy to give their passports for transfer of money because they need money. It is my guess-work only, no more.

If you would to ask agency to send copy of a passport, please, ask to send you SCANNED copy of ALL pages of a passport. In this case you will know the date of receiving girl's passport, her marutal status, address of her registration. And you will have a chance to see coloured photo and the seal.

These passports are falsification. They want you to send money exactly to HER NAME.

What kind of opinion they have about Gomer? They think Gomer is idiot. It is because intelligent man will take  in a serious way these funny letters about poor girl who is lying into her cold bed and dreaming of phone chat with him NEVER!  

And...they got used to play this games with silly men and they are so greedy for money that they have no idea that Gomer can be clever man.  But even if Gomer is clever, he can do nothing against scammers from little Ukrainian town.  

[Jack]

Dragonfly thanks for some very good points.
 
Well, I think this gig is about up. Their is not much left to expose. Although I am sure the response back from Galaxy should be entertaining. And I need to say again, the photo of this pretty young lady who we have seen, their is no reason to believe this lady has any idea that her photo is being used in this manner. Many scam agencies steal the photos of models as well as some of the more attractive real ladies who are seeking a foreign husband.
 
What is the opinion of Galaxy about our Gomer you ask Dragonfly? Dragonfly as silly as some of these might seem to you, I promise you their are at least a hundred Gomers a day who fall for this, and believe this. Scam agencies like Galaxy, and there are many of them, really do see, and prey, on guy's like Gomer.
 

[Turboguy]

If there is such a thing as reincarnation, I think Dragonfly was Sherlock Holmes in a previous life.   That was a good job of analizing things and good suggestions. 

It has been an interesting series.  I have enjoyed it.  I think you will also find the people pulling these scams tend to use places where they will find people new to the FSU women scene.  I am talking about places like Match.com and Yahoo.  Those of us who have been around know enough about how hard it is to get a tourist visa to not fall so easily.  Yes, I get an occassional letter from them

My son has reciently developed an interest in FSU women.  He got started by some contacting him on the sites I talked about.   He was all excited about the first.  I did not want to burst his bubble but told him not to send any money and sure enough.  Then he was all worried because he had two supposed to arrive at the same time.  I looked at the letters and told him not to worry.  The one was definately a scammer and the other likely was one.  Yes, they both turned out to be.  If I had not been around I am sure he would have fallen for something.   I think I will give my son a new name.  Gomer!

One of these days I will drag him along on one of my trips or maybe send him on one of Jack's deals or do something to get him channeled in the right direction.  He sure has not had luck with American gals.

[dragonfly]

I am sure about Galaxy isn't AGENCY at all. I think a man rents little flat and several girls work for him as translators. They have several computers and cell phone to have talks with men. One of this kind of men made me offer to work in similar "firm". I visited their "office". It was usual apartment at the city center. They had near 4 computers. Every girl worked with her own "clients". Why do you think he was so adventurous to invite me there? It is because he was sure he has good protection...I think I have to stop here or I can have problems....  

[Bruno]

These passports are falsification.

Take a good look on the left side of both passport :



Same defect, at the same place... the same "real" passport was used for make the two... if you use the emboss function of your paint program, you see very clearly these little natural defect of paper... but the chance that two different passport have the same defect ( nine ) and at the same place is maybe 1 on 1 million...

Both passport was "make" the 19/03/2006 ... the first one with ACD Systems Digital Imaging at 17:26 and the second with Photoshop 3.0 at 00:39

[BillyB]

The girl isn't sending enough hot photo's for me to send any money. :DI'd lose interest quick.

One gal I wrote to said she's looking for a sponser and she'd send me nude photos and videos and if I visited her, I can have her anyway I want! She was honest right from the beginning. I told her she needs to change the direction her life is going and find a nice man instead of getting involved with potential crazy men. Even though I didn't send any money, she took a liking to me and sent me nude pics for the next few months for free.

Some of the scammers that contact men first have become smarter. They would tell a man that they are writing only him. Some men trying to verify if that's true would write the woman under a different name and different e-mail account. The woman would write back saying she has a boyfriend and is not availiable. The man would then start to believe anything the woman would say and would fall into a trap more easily. I was at another forum and I tried to contact ladies e-mails that guys have put up and the ladies would tell me they are not availiable. These scammers would only write to men who they write to first. So of course they would not write to me because they never gave me their e-mail. That's their policy. Also they like to target men who never had any intentions of going overseas meeting a RW at Yahoo and Match.com. Those men tend to be more naive and easily seduced by the sexy RW. Men with no international travel experience would be more likely to believe the RW are able to get a visa to America than a man that has international travel experience or looking for RW.

[dragonfly]

And other funny thing...Father's name of so-called Nandarova Natalyja Genaivna is mistaken (or they did it purposely). They had to write GenaDiivna...Maybe her father's name is something like Genaj but it is really funny name! Her surename isn't Ukrainian, maybe her father has not Ukrainian name too...but who knows! I can be mistaken.

 

[Jack]

Oh, this was not expected. Galaxy agency says they cannot accept this cash from my friend. They can only accept through Western Union, and only if sent to the managers name. Everything must be official, you know, like with real passports. 
 
I wrote them back and told them we could not find their agency at this address.
 
Ok, maybe I send them money with 'funny' numbers.
 
 
 
 
 
Dear Sir,
Thank you very much for your letter.
But we would like to inform you that
we won't be able to receive the money
which your friend will bring us (though nobody
has come today). We pay bills and all the operations
with money should be fixed on the documents.
We don't have right to receive money from somebody.
All the Western Union checks should be here in our]
office to pay bills. Everything should be official.
If you run serious business you can perfectly
understand this. We won't be able also to bear
any responsibility for money we did not receive
on our managers names. We can't help you with it.

Sincerely,
Galaxy-Plus

 
 
 
 
 
 
Hello Galazy,

I have received e-mail from my associate in Lugansk and they said there was no agency at this address. It is thought that maybe I gave them the wrong address.

Could you please confirm if this is your address?

Gmiry st.8/12 in Alchevsk

I will await your reply.

Sincerely,

Gomer

[dragonfly]

Jack, send them copy of 1 scanned American dollar.  

 

[dragonfly]

If there is such a thing as reincarnation, I think Dragonfly was Sherlock Holmes in a previous life.  

Would you like to say I was a man who enjoyed to smoke a pipe?

I am adult girl but I even can't smoke cigarette. :? 

Could you give me masterclass?

 

 

[Turboguy]

Well Dragonfly you do not seem like a man to me, and I too never liked pipe smoke.

It has been a while since I read A Conan Doyle but I think in both the books Sherlock Holmes character and in Mr Doyles real life, the pipe was not all he smoked and he should have stayed with just the pipe.

You do not say what you would like to have a master class in Dragonfly and I will not ask you why the smiley face next to that comment is the only one with it's tounge stuck out.

 

[dragonfly]

You do not say what you would like to have a master class in Dragonfly and I will not ask you why the smiley face next to that comment is the only one with it's tounge stuck out.

 

 

Bowling, my dear, bowling!

[BC]

self moderated

[Turboguy]

Hi BC,

I won't fault you intuition BC but you have to help me with the PDA.  I spent a lot of time wearing a uniform.  It has been a while.  I can't remember if we were wearing the blue and they were wearing the grey or if we followed Teddy up the hill but I don't remember anything about PDA in the military.

My son spent 4 years in the Marines and ever since has been in the army reserves and he did not know PDA.   Tried an internet search and the only PDAs we could fine were the small computers and in military terms only something like proffessional defence alternative which also didn't make sense.  You will have to help me with this.

 

[Jack]

Turbo, I wish you and BC would take this type of discussion onto another thread, please.

[Jack]

Well, Gomer has not heard from Galaxy-Plus or Nataly for several days now.
 
Below is the last e-mail from either of them.
 
So Gomer has sent one last e-mail to Nataly and to Galaxy asking them to verify the addresses as we are trying to hand deliver $1320.
 
I guess if we do not hear back from either of them Gomer will send them an e-mail with a link to RWD and thanking them for the education that have shared with members of the RWD and future newby's to come.
 
 
 
 
Dear Sir,
Thank you very much for your letter.
But we would like to inform you that
we won't be able to receive the money
which your friend will bring us (though nobody
has come today). We pay bills and all the operations
with money should be fixed on the documents.
We don't have right to receive money from somebody.
All the Western Union checks should be here in our]
office to pay bills. Everything should be official.
If you run serious business you can perfectly
understand this. We won't be able also to bear
any responsibility for money we did not receive
on our managers names. We can't help you with it.

Sincerely,
Galaxy-Plus
 
 
 
 
Gomers last two e-mails sent today.
 
 
 
Nataly, WHAT is going on?  I have a lady trying to deliver you $500 but they cannot find you at this address Leningradskaya st.49A/88.

We cannot even find the agency Galaxy to give them $820!

What is going on Nataly?   Do I have your address incorrect?

I miss you, want to see you, now you have disappeared.

Gomer
 
 
 
 
 

Ms. Zakyrdaeva I have tried to deliver money to your office, I have tried to deliver money to Nataly's flat, these addresses are not correct!!
 
What is going on?
 
I don't hear from Nataly anymore, this address for you on Gmiry st.8/12 is not right.
 
Can you please verify your address and Nataly's address.
 
Gomer


 

[ccarten]

Isn't this your Nataly?

http://212.59.22.113/prof/per.asp?pcode=&Login=Email&Info=CbEeJiEmLlInGjNjChMfDlAdHhJiMlCcFcBnGeEaKoNm&kod=A5624088&pic=1

[Jack]

da, da, da, yes it is. That is our Nataly.

And what agency have I quoted for years as the absolute worse, number one for the most scammers,........the Absolute Agency.

Thanks ccarten.

[jb]

Jack,

I still feel this has been one of the most illuminating threads I've ever seen, kuddos to you for taking the time to put this together.

Well done.

[Jack]

jb, been busy for a few days but wanted to thank you for your kind words.

I have a couple more very interesting and entertaining new and different scams that have just concluded that I will try to get posted in the next week.