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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2012, 12:51:01 PM »
Vasilisa,

Now I am intrigued!  Is this movie available with English subtitles?

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2012, 12:54:11 PM »
  Oh yes we should believe everything we see on TV just as we sould believe everything we read.  :cluebat:

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »

I have no idea why you want to believe what is clearly IMHO a fabrication, but that is your right. All of what he wrote is clearly an exaggeration, and the whole I was in a nightclub when the "spetsnaz" marches in is merely the cherry on the proverbial cake... That is all that I have to say on the topic.

Misha, that's fine  :) The OP wrote that he was too drunk, so most likely he had an impaired perception of event that night and his memories of course could be impaired as well. Not a big deal  :D

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2012, 12:57:45 PM »
  Oh yes we should believe everything we see on TV just as we sould believe everything we read.  :cluebat:

I've always preferred the notion of being an 'open-minded skeptic.'

I know there are plenty of people who will try to 'blow smoke up my a$$,' (does that idiom translate OK into Russian  :) ), but I also know there are plenty of people with vastly more knowledge and experience than me on some/most topics, and I do not want to miss out on learning something due to a fear of misinformation.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2012, 12:59:50 PM »
Hear is a clip of OMON raid. You can see one guy sitting at the bar continuing drinking  :D



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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2012, 01:00:57 PM »
The most likely reason for the raid of a Moscow nightclub is a drug raid by the local police drug squad. The drug squad would be all geared up and ready for anything. Omon might be there for backup in case of excessive violence.  Omon uniforms are distinct, even someone with limited Russian language skills should recognize the uniforms. As for spetsnaz being involved, the local police special forces maybe, the military spetsnaz not a chance.

As for this 'American boy' being hit on by every girl and woman he saw, pure fantasy. A chance occasion by a young Russian woman who might want him for a quickie just to say that she'd had sex with an American, Ok, but women by the dozens?  Back in the mid 1990's maybe, he'd be a novelty.  However, today I'd be surprised if there wasn't several American boys or English boys in every nightclub in Moscow most days of the week. Moscow is a popular destination for foreigners, especially the young. Foreigners, males and females, haven't been a  novelty in Moscow for a long time.   
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2012, 01:11:07 PM »
Hear is a clip of OMON raid. You can see one guy sitting at the bar continuing drinking  :D


Yet, according to the tale being told:


The spetsnaz raided the night club to check passports, so with the music off and lights on, all eyes were on me because I was the American guy.




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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2012, 01:14:57 PM »
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I'd be surprised if there wasn't several American boys or English boys in every nightclub in Moscow most days of the week. Moscow is a popular destination for foreigners, especially the young. Foreigners, males and females, haven't been a  novelty in Moscow for a long time.   

He posted he was not in Moscow.
 
When I first posted here, posters also accused me of lying, but every word I posted was the truth.  When Lily first posted, she was accused of being a male troll. 

As for spetsnaz, Olga gave an adequate description of the colloquiallism.  All eyes may not have been on AB, but perhaps those around him were.  It's his perception.
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »
acctBill, spetsnaz is another name used by Russians for OMON

My wife informs me that I'm being too literal. She says that while there are spetsnaz units separate from the OMON, most Muscovites don't make the distinction. I stand corrected, blame it on years of being an accountant. 

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2012, 01:24:43 PM »
Vasilisa,

Now I am intrigued!  Is this movie available with English subtitles?
I have no idea, but I'd highly recommend this show for local guys.
Another interesting thing about it is that Sasha's mother who is around 50 yo meets a French guy and corresponds with him later, she doesn't speak his language, so she is asking her daughter to help her with translations and eventually she is making a visa to go to his place, so you can see how foreigners look like in Russia from Russian people perspective.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2012, 01:29:43 PM »
My wife informs me that I'm being too literal. She says that while there are spetsnaz units separate from the OMON, most Muscovites don't make the distinction. I stand corrected, blame it on years of being an accountant.

Precision is a good characteristic for an for accountant to have. :)
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2012, 01:30:31 PM »
American boy, I am sorry, that people don't believe you, I do 100%/
Those girls probably saw you as some sort of a celebrity to take pictures withto put on in vkontakte  or to have sex and tell to their friends that have has sex with an American to compare with Russian guys.

I'd say most of those girls were probably young though and were partying.

I keep on giving the link to that recent Russian TV show about the life of 4 women around 30 yo working in the same office, many Russians agree that it's very realistic and reflects the reality and many people could recongnize themselves or their friends in the given characters. Some people say it's too dark, I agree that NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT, some single moms have very boring life, there are also "old maids" and "book worms", but many do.In this TV show you can see the cases when wives cheat of their husbands and WHY they do this. Why a young secretary who has a boy friend still meets her ex.

And at the end you can see her dialogue with her boy friend-a successful psychologyst who offered her swing sex and when she refuses he tells her that she is stupid because he has been working as a psychologyst for a long time and knows that everybody cheats on their partners anyway.
People are raised in the society when they know that they can't rely on anything or anybody:today you have money, tomorrow you don't, today you have a husband, tomorrow he is gone to another woman, many people don't have any long lasting plans and just live this very day today trying to get as many fun as they can, as they can afford, they don't have dependable, responsible, reliable partners.

That was what I kept telling to the guys who think that bringing the girls to the US is the greatest thing they do for her, many don't need any US and the opportunities, high achievers can achieve in Russia nowadays if they really want to, if they study and work hard they can get job offers in the companies abroad, too, they don't need you for that,most women you meet on the dating websites just want a healthy family and a LOVING husband they can rely on and who doesn't cheat like what you can see in the TV show!
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I agree 100%. Most of the russian girls don't want america. I met only one girl who asked "take me to america" all of the rest asked me why I couldn't be born in Russia.  These guys think Russian women are saints. From my experience they're not at all. I hate to talk bad about them but as I said I met soooo soooo soo many people and people did not care.

I remember one night I met this girl at the club, first night I met her, all of her friends knew she liked me. She was getting our coast, all of her friends were flirting with me that night and her best friend in the world came up and tried to kiss me.

Another night my first girlfriends best friend was really drunk and started telling me how much she liked me, I pointed to my phone which had a picture of my gf and told her she was pretty but this girl was important to me. The girl started rubbing her chest on me said " she little girl, I big girl".

So those are best friends and it didn't matter. Then the girls that had husbands or boyfriends. Another night at that same night club I met these girls and sat with them, one of the girls who was with her boyfriend slid the table away from the wall so she could slide between the table and the wall to sit and cuddle up next to me. Luckily this guy wasnt the angry type and try to kill me. The girl that was kissing me during the raid had a boyfriend who was calling all night, she kept saying in russian she'll come home later. I asked who it was and she said " on ne vazhno" which means he doesnt matter. The girls planned to go back to my flat and when we got outside the boy was waiting for her. Later I found out they had been dating for 3 years.

This is what the OP wrote: "The spetsnaz raided the night club to check passports".

He did not write, they raided the night club and started checking passport or that they checked passports after raiding the club, he wrote that they raided "to check for passports." I am commenting on what he wrote, not what you think he should have written  :-X

Thanks for dissecting my every word. As far as I understood they were there for passports. The raid took probably 2 hours, they shuffled groups of 3-4 people to a separate room and wrote down our info. Some people got questioned some didn't. The guy wrote my name down my name so quick that I complemented how good it was and he said thank I study english and let me go.
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 I have read many stories that confirms your opinion about behavior of FSU women and  tend to believe you and them.   Your description about living day to day and not worrying about tomorrow also is a theme I have heard a lot.  You even explain the reasons for it.  I think it is also the reason that FSU people tend not to save money and instead spend it readily.

I hope that you are right about not all women are like the ones in the movie you desribe :)

This is absoultey true. My last interest there said that to me all the time, "I don't know whats tomorrow, I don't know whats tomorrow." It's a very difficulty but very simply life in russia but its still enjoyable. They seem to enjoy life for what it is rather than material items.

I don't doubt that this could happen, but you also wrote: "This girl would not get off me, everyone was watching and she was sucking on my neck and kissing on my ear. I was too drunk to really care but I still kinda cared." I am to believe that while 20 "spetsnaz" are marching through the nightclub carrying assault rifles that they young woman, drunk or not, continues sucking on your neck?!? Call me a troll if you will, but while you are at it, give us some more detailed info. What was the name of the club? What city? If you provide this info, it won't endanger you anonymity, but it might make it sound a bit more credible...

It was seriously like a spot light above my head. They weren't marching around. Everyone pretty much held a position and they went from table to table bringing people into another room to check our info. It was pretty much dead silent in there besides some of the girls crying.  Honestly I don't care if you believe me, I know what the truth is and you have no reason not to believe me and posting up info about the club will not prove anything. I stll may post up pictures. I'm unsure....
But I agree that there are also GC girls and pro-daters that use men. But again, my opinion is that they use the guys who they can't get what they really want from.

So, I'd start the thread: how to date women in order not to look like the target for GC girls, but the man for a serious relationship. ;D

The girls that are bad are the moscow girls or the big cities girls. Many of them go there to be sponsored and get with rich ugly guys to take care of them. I used to go out with this girl a lot and she would never let me pay for her, same thing with my gf. She would come to my flat and we'd order suishi and i'd pay and I'd get back to my room and the money would be sitting on my chair and i"d tell her " NO I'M PAYING!!!" but she would never let me
The most likely reason for the raid of a Moscow nightclub is a drug raid by the local police drug squad. The drug squad would be all geared up and ready for anything. Omon might be there for backup in case of excessive violence.  Omon uniforms are distinct, even someone with limited Russian language skills should recognize the uniforms. As for spetsnaz being involved, the local police special forces maybe, the military spetsnaz not a chance.

As for this 'American boy' being hit on by every girl and woman he saw, pure fantasy. A chance occasion by a young Russian woman who might want him for a quickie just to say that she'd had sex with an American, Ok, but women by the dozens?  Back in the mid 1990's maybe, he'd be a novelty.  However, today I'd be surprised if there wasn't several American boys or English boys in every nightclub in Moscow most days of the week. Moscow is a popular destination for foreigners, especially the young. Foreigners, males and females, haven't been a  novelty in Moscow for a long time.   
I don't see why there's so much discussion on who the force was. This is what people were saying in the night club and when I told my friend sasha the next day he said " oh spetsnaz"

I wasn't in moscow and as I said, I was the first American many had met.

I have no idea why you want to believe what is clearly IMHO a fabrication, but that is your right. All of what he wrote is clearly an exaggeration, and the whole I was in a nightclub when the "spetsnaz" marches in is merely the cherry on the proverbial cake... That is all that I have to say on the topic.


you're crazy that's what I have to say. I have no reason to lie or make it up.. To me that was a minor detail to my story which really has no relevance of anything.
Misha, that's fine  :) The OP wrote that he was too drunk, so most likely he had an impaired perception of event that night and his memories of course could be impaired as well. Not a big deal  :D

This could be partially true. I remember walking to another table and sitting with these girls and have no recollection of anything about them or if it was before/after the raid. Me and the girls finished a bottle of vodka at the house, then started drinking another at the club, then this girl bought me a bunch of shots. But there is certain things I do remember and then of course my roommates reminded me of some of it.

and ogla, that video is exactly what happened and those are the boys who came in. The only difference is we were  allowed us to sit at the tables but we couldn't move around.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2012, 01:31:41 PM »
Olga,

Thanks for the clip and proving your point.  Not ony that, but it was kind of educational for those of us that have never witnessed it.

Misha,

You need to get laid or have a drink!  Why you make such an argument of the silly little issue of the definition of some type of cop is beyond me.  You also seem to be envious of a young guy having a good time with women crawling all over him.   I am not envious,  I just wanna grow up just like him.  :)

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2012, 01:43:23 PM »

He posted he was not in Moscow.
 
When I first posted here, posters also accused me of lying, but every word I posted was the truth.  When Lily first posted, she was accused of being a male troll. 

As for spetsnaz, Olga gave an adequate description of the colloquiallism.  All eyes may not have been on AB, but perhaps those around him were.  It's his perception.

Boethius I can't say for sure he is lying but one thing I can be sure of he's at least exaggerating.  He posts:


Whats your longest stay in Russia? and what cities did you go to? I met people from all over and I was the first American most met. Both guys and girls had a huge interest in me because of where I was from.

I've been going to Russia to visit family and on business for 20+ years.  I've been from Moscow to Vladivostok and most places in between. Americans and foreigners in general have been everywhere in Russia.  The novelty of meeting an American in 2011, unless it's a small town or village in Siberia is long gone.  Certainly getting to bed endless numbers of Russian women because you're an American is a fantasy.     

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2012, 01:48:42 PM »
Misha,

You need to get laid or have a drink!  Why you make such an argument of the silly little issue of the definition of some type of cop is beyond me.  You also seem to be envious of a young guy having a good time with women crawling all over him.   I am not envious,  I just wanna grow up just like him.  :)


Calm, I am happily married and an adult so getting "laid" or buying alcohol is not an issue. However, I can understand why a man close to his seventies might need the fantasy  >:D  So, feel free to listen to AB with rapture... I gave my reasons for not buying the story.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2012, 02:08:31 PM »
AB, I'm very certain that things are very different in the typical Russian nightclub scene than from real life so am not quite ready to make some of the same generalizations.

I have seen some people at the office make the decision to "hook up" (new meaning to that term for us older guys) and others wouldn't dream of such a thing. Come to think of it, just like back home in the USA. I wouldn't read into my experience that RW are somehow more likely to stray than a Western woman. People are people and some have good character, others don't.

In my experience with both RW and RM, I find many of them to be loyal almost to a fault in so many areas of life and not just marriage vows.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2012, 02:09:03 PM »
Maybe it's just me but it sounds like he is trying to say Russian women are just like American women,,,

At least they sound like the American women in my town,,,
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2012, 02:17:30 PM »
Sorry boy, I tried to give you some proof but I guess it didn't sit will with some of the people here
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 02:42:19 PM by AmericanBoy »

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2012, 02:18:30 PM »

Yet, according to the tale being told:
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The spetsnaz raided the night club to check passports, so with the music off and lights on, all eyes were on me because I was the American guy.

So, what does discomfort you in his post? That was his perception that day. Plus if it happened somewhere where a foreigner a rare bird... I can imagine how the people in the night club who knew that he is an American and not local looked at him (to see his reaction, or simply thinking what could happen to him)

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2012, 02:20:14 PM »
AmericanBoy, I think you should not post the photos of girls without their awareness and permission, more over revealing some parts of their personal life.
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« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2012, 02:25:21 PM »
You might be right, but I'm not really worried about it, I'm very doubtful any of them will ever stumble across this thread and these photos are posted on the internet already.

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« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2012, 02:26:13 PM »
A quick skim through vkontatkte this is what I can produce to show some of these girls.


Did you take their photos from their profiles vkontakte? Did you read "vkontakte" agreement? Have you asked the girls?
« Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 02:30:14 PM by OlgaH »

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2012, 02:28:13 PM »
You call a woman a slut and it's OK to post her photo?
 
I agree with Olga.  I understand the descriptions, but you should either remove the descriptions or the photos.
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You might be right, but I'm not really worried about it, I'm very doubtful any of them will ever stumble across this thread and these photos are posted on the internet already.
It's not about whether they'll find them, but rather, what is the right thing to do.
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2012, 02:29:00 PM »
You might be right, but I'm not really worried about it, I'm very doubtful any of them will ever stumble across this thread and these photos are posted on the internet already.

it is very inappropriate thing to do.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #74 on: April 17, 2012, 02:33:57 PM »


So, what does discomfort you in his post? That was his perception that day. Plus if it happened somewhere where a foreigner a rare bird... I can imagine how the people in the night club who knew that he is an American and not local looked at him (to see his reaction, or simply thinking what could happen to him)


Posts don't cause me discomfort Olga, but when people are being described behaving in ways that I would not expect, it raises doubts in my mind. There are just too many contradictory pieces of information in the posts to make them credible to me, and as the photos posted by Dan show, AmericanBoy seemingly was in Russia getting some medical treatment, which would also be odd for an American. Russia is not exactly the hot spot for young men going overseas for medical tourism. The tone of the posts also suggests that AmericanBoy is seeking to boost his ego and/or possible beguile a few. Sure, there is a chance that his story is true, but I have my doubts. Perhaps it is my nature, but there is so much there that appears odd that I don't buy it. The description of the police raiding the discoteka was simply one of many details that struck me as not quite right...

 

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