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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #500 on: April 23, 2012, 04:00:45 PM »
    IMHO I was pointing out the obvious statements of the OP.

          1. He cheated on his girlfriend back home (again by his own           
              words), then turns on the women he cheated with then   
              playing poor innocent in all of it.

          2. He went to Russia to save money on a medical procedure,
              then complains that he was lonely and alone. He knew what he was doing and 
              knew that this would happen or at the very least he should have.
                   
         3. By his own admission he slept with married women then   
             turned can called them cheaters never taking responsibility 
             for his own behavior in the same affair.

   Now none of these are moral judgments on my part just the facts as AB laid them out. All of which shows at the very least a total lack of ability to think things out in advance. Or a strong showing of hypocrisy. (Hypocrisy: is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have.)I leave each reader to decide for themselves what they want to believe.

All that is not quite what I understood from his posts, but hey thats only me..

i dont have a problem at all with the direct experiences he reported, after all it is a small slice of a big cake.

Nevertheless, if you have concerns why not simply ask AB directly? 

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #501 on: April 23, 2012, 04:20:06 PM »

 
GQ, perhaps his travels were broader than you realize. That makes sense as most flights into Tyumen originate from somewhere else in Russia and a couple from Ukraine except for seasonal flights from Thessaloniki and Yerevan (Armenia). Barcelona will begin next year but that will be seasonal as well so perhaps he does have interesting experiences to share other than Tyumen.

Perhaps Mendeleyev. From what I gathered however, the extent of his Russian stay was mostly, if not all of it, was in a 'city close to Yekaterinburg. The excerpt of 'Russians from all over Russia', may well have been a result of your average meandering young (relatively) lad anxious to tell some wild stories...that got even more perplexing after the Goggle result of *Russian Women Dating* search - led him to RWD.  :P

I remember I was so excited to tell friends back home when I first traveled to USA. I told them I've been to Japan, Alaska, Seattle...and met all kinds of Americans from all over USA. Technically, that was true albeit those places, other than my final destination, were simply lay-overs for a few hours. Like AB was in Russia, I didn't speak a lick of English either and folks just seemed more attentive and gracious to my needs then, too.

No wild sex stories though unfortunately ...   :P


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..I understand why Mies could be upset:..

Actually, what I understood about mies sentiment was, she was offended by the OP's seeming lack of gratitude (mies can correct me IIM) considering on one voice he tells everyone folks generally extended him kindness and hospitality, but then on another voice he basically pulled the rugs from underneath everyone...

Now, I can understand mies on that, of course...BUT

27 years old, first time out of the country (maybe) one who's been in a 9 year long exclusive relationship and then all of the sudden ship him deep in some provincial Russian town full of budding gidgy young dyevs...well, I can understand the OP, too.
 

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...I'd just like to know more about his stay other than unloyal girls as we all know that Russia is a vast and complex place.

Based on his admission he'd rather not talk about the medical aspect of his visit, why can't we just leave that part alone? After all, he provided videos and pictures when everyone asked for it. Aren't those enough to prove he's been, and was, in Russia?
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #502 on: April 23, 2012, 04:39:27 PM »
27 years old, first time out of the country (maybe) one who's been in a 9 year long exclusive relationship and then all of the sudden ship him deep in some provincial Russian town full of budding gidgy young dyevs...well, I can understand the OP, too.

I would have understood him if he did it and were happy with it. But he went ahead degrading RWs.
Why?

I am trying to imagine situation in which I would first dive deep into promiscuity during a long visit to a foreign country. Enjoy every bit of it. Start a relationship with local man, who would take care of me, and spend his hard-earned pennies on my whims. Maybe start living with him. I would know from day 1 that I am just using this man for up to 6 months, pretending it's "just friendship" which uppps suddenly got a little out of control, get coquettishly surprised "oh, he told me the three words. where did it come from I wonder?" even though this man made very clear from day 1 that he wants to marry me and would show me his love in every possible way. And then when all my business in this country will be over - i'll return home and will start sharing with everyone my [dot]expert[/dot] opinion that men in this country are real jerks and indecent people with low morals. Of course, it would be my personal opinion, everyone would understand that I am only telling what I know from my own experience, and not how things are in this foreign country. But of course I know what these foreign men are like. I f-d them and lived with them. They gave me presents. Two of them broke up with their girlfriends when they met me so that they can be dating me. Yes, technically I had a fiance back at home while I was dating those men, but this relationship fell apart eventually so it doesn't count. Of course these foreign men are jerks.
 :rolleyes:

Although...on a second thought.. maybe AB was sexually assaulted by RWs against his will. Maybe he suffered through every moment of their affection and every intercourse was unbearable to him. After all, RWs are known to be very strong. We all know they can stop a galloping horse.
What was this song again, with the soundtrack from the Global DJs' sounds of SF, and hot and muscular russian girls tie up a cute soldier? Video would be very appropriate here, but I can't find it on youtube.
AB does look a bit delicate. Maybe he wasn't strong enough to fight back.  :popcorn:
« Last Edit: April 23, 2012, 04:53:38 PM by mies »

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #503 on: April 23, 2012, 04:52:20 PM »
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Based on his admission he'd rather not talk about the medical aspect of his visit, why can't we just leave that part alone? After all, he provided videos and pictures when everyone asked for it. Aren't those enough to prove he's been, and was, in Russia?

You lost me, LA. I didn't ask about his medical conditions. His being there is not a question in my mind either, I read Russian and the visa info was more than sufficient.
 
I asked for more general Russian perceptions, like this (repeatedly by the way) but he doesn't seem to have the ability to answer:
 
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Perhaps a suggestion to get you started:
 
I've asked you several times to share some of your other insights into life as you saw it in your travels. It would be interesting to know where you traveled as well as I'd be willing to incorporate some of your thoughts and perceptions next time I face a class of students.
 
Over the course of a year it is not uncommon to have the opportunity to meet with hundreds of school aged children and multiples of that at Universities in Russia. Usually there is a time for questions and the most common ones from teens are about how kids in America live, what I think of Russia and Russians, and what American kids think of Russian. Many questions range from music, books & movies to leisure time to what subjects American kids study.
 
Answering the first two is easy and what the askers of these questions really want to know is how is life the same and if any parts of life are different. TV shows from the USA have done Russians no favours. The final question forces me to fudge because the truth is that American kids are not very world-wise and some wouldn't know that Russia even existed and the remaining few that are aware still could usually care less about anyone but themselves. A truthful answer would be a disappointment for Russian kids so I usually "circle the bush" on that question and take the conversation somewhere else.
 
University students have somewhat similar questions but are more focused on what kind of career opportunities are open to American graduates, when they get married, do they really own cars, etc. From time to time they'll even broach a political question based on their perception of what Americans think of Russia/Russians.
 
A few years back I participated in a news & documentary production lab for MGU students and they were typical young hormone driven adults--the guys would have done "news stories" from bars had we let them and the female students would have camped in discos/clubs. We reached a compromise when one of the very attractive and popular gals suggested doing documentaries on wedding preparations & costs and once the guys learned that they could be cameramen/producers with access into the dressing rooms for filming, there were no more arguments. :D
 
Again, I'd be willing to incorporate some of your thoughts and perceptions next time I face a class of students if you are willingto answer my question.

 
Unless sex is the only thing he has the mental capacity to remember, I'm genuinely interested in his thoughts on the above.
                 
 
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #504 on: April 23, 2012, 05:04:29 PM »
To Mies:

I don't see that American Boy passed any moral judgements. He shared his experiences, generalized that Russian women seemed disloyal based on them and said he was surprised. Then he went on to say nice things about the women he met as well. He didn't judge them, call them immoral, jerks or indecent. Unless I missed something. If I did, please point it out.

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #505 on: April 23, 2012, 05:49:19 PM »

You lost me, LA. I didn't ask about his medical conditions. His being there is not a question in my mind either, I read Russian and the visa info was more than sufficient.
 
I asked for more general Russian perceptions, like this (repeatedly by the way) but he doesn't seem to have the ability to answer:
 
 
Unless sex is the only thing he has the mental capacity to remember, I'm genuinely interested in his thoughts on the above.

Mendeleyev-

That last quoted post was done so as a response to American Boy's last post in which he said he'll do so later when he has the time....it would be to his credit if and when he directly address your query.

As for the prior 'repeated' instances, there are excerpts in his initial posts where he did in fact cited non-sexual things before. Unless you were selective in your reading or simply missed it because they weren't necessarily in your line of questioning...one sample of that was the taxi experiences he had which was discussed and debated also.

My question to you however is, what is the reason (or reasons) you *seem* to be hostile, at worst - annoyed at best, towards the OP?
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #506 on: April 23, 2012, 05:55:39 PM »
I would have understood him if he did it and were happy with it. But he went ahead degrading RWs.
Why?...

Are you referring to the *specific* RWs in his encounter/s? If some of those were in fact misbehaving, or lied, or cheated...was he supposed to praise them?

If those (or some of them) gals were in fact 'nice' towards him, including sexual acts, but were in fact either in a relationship, married, etc. and lied being in one just to get his sex/attention....how would you classify those gals?
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #507 on: April 23, 2012, 06:05:54 PM »

You lost me, LA. I didn't ask about his medical conditions. His being there is not a question in my mind either, I read Russian and the visa info was more than sufficient.
 
I asked for more general Russian perceptions, like this (repeatedly by the way) but he doesn't seem to have the ability to answer:
 
 
Unless sex is the only thing he has the mental capacity to remember, I'm genuinely interested in his thoughts on the above.
               

How can you say I've avoided the questions? I don't how many times I have to say it to make it clear. I made a direct reply ( quoted and all) when you asked earlier.  I was not a tourist, I was not a traveler, I was a patient. I did absolutely NO traveling through russia (besides through airports). I spent my entire duration in one city, except 2 days where I visted my gf in Tyumen and that probably was the worst time of treatment in terms of condition.  The city had two crappy malls, and night clubs, pretty much nothing else. If you want to know about the hospital, its similar to a prison. Tons of rulse, you're surrounded by the same people everyday and you only have each other to keep yourself entertained. The food you want to know about? I'm pretty sure I said this eariler too but every day cabbage and porridge.

The only real and honest  feedback I can give is on the people.


You ask "well how is that you met these girls from all over russia if you didnt travel?" As I've said, this hospital is one of the best in the world at what they do and people travel from all over russia and the world to get treated there. If you want me to find and quote it, I'll gladly do it for you. I also said it's an 800 bed facility with less than 10% of the patients being from the city its in.


Since you seemed to have forgot, heres my quote to you earlier

I meant I didn't do traveling as a tourist. I went straight to where I needed to go. I even stayed in the airport at moscow during my 17 hour layover. When my plane arrived in tyument, it was 4am and I went straight to the hospital. I actually have a video of Russia driving through the streets when I first go there. I'll see if I can find it

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #508 on: April 23, 2012, 06:06:47 PM »
Are you referring to the *specific* RWs in his encounter/s? If some of those were in fact misbehaving, or lied, or cheated...was he supposed to praise them?

If those (or some of them) gals were in fact 'nice' towards him, including sexual acts, but were in fact either in a relationship, married, etc. and lied being in one just to get his sex/attention....how would you classify those gals?

no. I wouldn't expect that, of course. It's late and i am getting tired.
AB is warning western men about the nature of RWs. He did not warn AMs about the nature of the girls he met. He warns men of any random girl any random man can meet. He warns them of RWs in general. What led him to his opinion of RWs, and left impression so strong that now he wants to warn others? See my post.

I like allegories, sometimes taking it to extreme can make example more vivid. Suppose a thief of a particular nationality offered you fancy item, which he stole from a household. You take this item, keep it for yourself, use it, and then warn everyone that all people of this nationality are thieves, although very generous ones. Remember: you always had an option to refuse taking the stolen item. Also, there is no way you could know whether everyone in this nation is a thief. Do you see my point now?
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« Reply #509 on: April 23, 2012, 06:15:58 PM »
mies- I will not aruge with you. Your interpretation of what i've writtien is fo far in left feild its crazy.  If anything, wtih lena, I helped more than she'll ever know.  She was a miserable mess before she met me. Her daughter had 5 operations in 4 months and her condition was so bad and lena blamed herself. I gave her a reason to smile everyday. My life is america and her life is Russia, she even sent me messages saying she knows I'll never be hers, but i did open her eyes that not all boys are bad. She said since her break up with her husband she could not trust boys and many tried to get close to her heart but she wouldnt let anyone. I think her relationship with me opened her eyes and she'll start dating again... and about her spending money one me, again, you quoted just enough to make me look bad. I helped her even after I left, without her asking and the 10k rubles I sent is more than what she helped the whole time. But I'm such a horrible person who uses people... She was mad that I gave it to her, but I told her just to accept it and be happy and know it was from someone who cared about her.  This was my message to her march 8th, AFTER I was back in america.


Lena поздравляю тебя с 8 марта! Я хочу, чтобы Вы нашли задушевного друга, вам это нужно и это заслужили! Вы можете сделать любой человек влюбиться в вашу яркую красивые глаза! и не забудьте Быть всегда такой же жизнерадостной, веселой, девочка, для которой я пошел бы в первый этаж только для шанса видеть за одну секунду до того, как я знал ее. и никогда на меня не злиться!

Оставайся всегда такой же милой, красивой девушкой!!! Люблю тебя очень сильно..))) Ну ты знаешь!!!

Этот день для Вас, я надеюсь, что он приносит Вам счастье

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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #510 on: April 23, 2012, 06:20:40 PM »
mies- I will not aruge with you. Your interpretation of what i've writtien is fo far in left feild its crazy.  If anything, wtih lena, I helped more than she'll ever know.  She was a miserable mess before she met me. Her daughter had 5 operations in 4 months and her condition was so bad and lena blamed herself. I gave her a reason to smile everyday. My life is america and her life is Russia, she even sent me messages saying she knows I'll never be hers, but i did open her eyes that not all boys are bad. She said since her break up with her husband she could not trust boys and many tried to get close to her heart but she wouldnt let anyone. I think her relationship with me opened her eyes and she'll start dating again... and about her spending money one me, again, you quoted just enough to make me look bad. I helped her even after I left, without her asking and the 10k rubles I sent is more than what she helped the whole time. But I'm such a horrible person who uses people... She was mad that I gave it to her, but I told her just to accept it and be happy and know it was from someone who cared about her.  This was my message to her march 8th, AFTER I was back in america.

oh, now you are the noble one? This IS indeed funny.

I believe you, you are a boy. Men know the meaning of word "trust" and "reciprocity" and "dependability" and "respect for your partner" and many other things. You clearly don't. 
With that: have a happy life.  :welcome:
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« Reply #511 on: April 23, 2012, 06:23:06 PM »
please explain whats funny. I'd love to hear.

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« Reply #512 on: April 23, 2012, 06:24:28 PM »
of course because you know me so well based on a few days worth of chatting on the internet. You know NOTHING about me and I can't say that with enough emphasis

I sense the love from you =)

No matter what I say or do, you have taken a defensive stance on my opinion and  have come to your own conclusion and interpretation of my point so your mind will not be changed, which is fine. My views remain the same about everything I've typed and I hope some of the boys on the hunt will appreciate the info I've shared
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« Reply #513 on: April 23, 2012, 07:42:24 PM »
She's been out of my mind for a while but because of the discussion, I just looked through my photos...

Some boy will be luck to get this girls heart.

I told her all the time she didn't realize how pretty she was, but the best part about her was her heart.


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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #514 on: April 23, 2012, 08:04:19 PM »
She's been out of my mind for a while but because of the discussion, I just looked through my photos...

Some boy will be luck to get this girls heart.

I told her all the time she didn't realize how pretty she was, but the best part about her was her heart.


she is beautiful!
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #515 on: April 23, 2012, 08:21:00 PM »


OY! Speaking of the evil in generalizing....


....The final question forces me to fudge because the truth is that American kids are not very world-wise and some wouldn't know that Russia even existed and the remaining few that are aware still could usually care less about anyone but themselves.....

I grant you that Russia won the last NatGeoBee World Championship for the first time in 20 years, however the US was a 5-time champ.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geobee/world-championship-photos/

But I won't throw a fidget for your generalizing in the same vein you showed to AB.....

bitter...pill...swallow and all that good stuff, you know.



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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #516 on: April 23, 2012, 08:58:54 PM »
I sense the love from you =)

that's because I am very loving person. Everyone tells me that.  :popcorn:


On a separate topic, aside from fidelity discussion.

1) imho, people in hospitals have many different unusual feelings: fear, stress, hope, too much dreaming, missing their normal life and friends, boredom, restlessness, weakness, having to comply with various restrictions, trying to form social contacts etc etc. If the procedure is serious, or time of stay in the hospital is long - people may feel and act very different than they normally do. You can try google scholar and see if there are any psychology articles about this. This probably partly caused the way you acted there, as well as behavior of people around you.

2) 10K RUB is $338.93. I recently sent similar amount to a girl I barely knew in my university 12 years ago. She became a victim of hit-and-run 2 years ago, spent over a year in a hospital, now she can walk only with crutches in her apartment, may need hip replacements, and needs several surgeries to save her arm (it was not treated immediately after accident because the girl was too weak and doctors were saving her life). If she will not get physical therapy - she wil lose ability to walk, and she doesn't have money for physical therapy because her "invalid pension" is a little over $100/mo. Anyway. Right now this girl needs money and university alumni donate to her. I would have given her more if I could at that moment. I will likely help her again, probably more than once. We never were friends, we never had any close relationship. We just knew each other, knew each other's name, sometimes had a small chat, that's all. We didn't stay in touch all these years.
What your girlfriend gave you is much more important than money. You are saying "I helped her a lot" and mention the $338, and it sounds sad. And the saddest part of it is that you do not understand how bad it all sounds.

3) I do not know why you say "her life is Russia." Are there any special reasons which prevent her from relocating abroad if she wanted to and could?

4) taking advantage of a woman is bad. Taking advantage of a woman with a small and sick child is infinitely worse.
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Re: I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia
« Reply #517 on: April 23, 2012, 09:20:43 PM »
AB, Thank you for answering.
 
With apologies for being long, I'm a journalist. Asking questions is how one learns and forms an intelligent basis for stories and documentaries.
 
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I was not a tourist, I was not a traveler, I was a patient. I did absolutely NO traveling through russia (besides through airports). I spent my entire duration in one city, except 2 days where I visted my gf in Tyumen and that probably was the worst time of treatment in terms of condition.

Sorry it was not condusive to seeing more of Russia and getting to know her people. As Russia's oldest town in Siberia there is a lot to see in Tyumen in terms of culture and history and I think you would have enjoyed that very much. It is too bad you didn't have the opportunity to stroll across the famous footbridge across the Tura River. That is something that locals and tourists like to do but I understand why you couldn't.
 
I'm a photo nut and Tyumen is great for photography if you are into that. The circus attracts folks from all over that part of Russia, too. The new city centre is impressive. Built with oil money and right across the Alexander Gardens. I agree that some things, like the parks in Tyumen, are lackluster as probably I'm spoiled by Moscow's splendid parks.
 
The Monastery isn't that old, built in the 1800s which is practically new for Russia. However did you have the chance to even drive by the old Saviour's Church? It was built in the 1700s and worth seeing.
 
 
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If you want to know about the hospital, its similar to a prison. Tons of rulse, you're surrounded by the same people everyday and you only have each other to keep yourself entertained.

 
Prison is a good description. There are statues against it these days, but right up into the 2000s there were hospitals that would lock the patients in at night. Two large Moscow fires in which patients died forced authorities to crack down on the practice.
 
- What were some of the rules?
 
I've been a patient, briefly, and spent a lot of time around relatives in Russian hospitals. Just prior to when our Uncle Mikhail died he was hospitalized for some time and we took turns being his night nurse since his hospital had two nurses on duty and they had responsibility for all floors at night. When his linens needed to be changed, we did it. We also fed him two meals daily from home. We also did his bathing. That was 5 years ago, in Moscow.
 
- Did you find your experience similar or very different?
 
We also took perscriptions from the doctor and purchased meds at the Apteka and administered them ourselves. We did the same 2 years later when Aunt Lyuba was in accident.
 
Speaking of entertainment, it sounds like the hospital didn't provide games or books either. Would that be an accurate statement? I ask this because our family provided some of those type materials to a Russian hospital and it seemed to be a new concept. The director cautioned that most of the games and books would be stolen within the first year, and I'm sure she was right, but we looked at it like an investment in changing thinking and challenging Russians to adopt such practices themselves.
 
- Lots of changes are being made in Russian medicine and I'd be interested in whether your arrangement at the hospital regarding medications was similar or different? Also, do you think you had some advantages/additional care because of your status as an American who paid in advance over the local population, or did you feel that all things were equal? It wouldn't surprise me at all if your friends had to do many of these things for you. But perhaps not.
 
- If a Russian teen were to ask the biggest differences between this hospital and one in America, how would you answer?
 
In the 1990s our youngest was injured in a soccer game and we took her to a Moscow hospital where she was examined but on that particular day there were no x-ray facilities available (it was an x-ray truck) because the truck was on a 3 hospital rotation. That rotation no longer takes place today and the hospital has a permanent x-ray facility.
 
- In your experience was all equipment needed on hand with trained staff?
 
 
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The food you want to know about? I'm pretty sure I said this eariler too but every day cabbage and porridge
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- Was food provided in your negotiated price or was it extra?
 
For our Uncle Mikhail only one meal daily was provided the rest was up to family. In the case of Aunt Lyuba, two meals were provided and that was largely the result in changes that President Medvedev had made to the medical code for seniors, I'm told.
 
- How were the communication services?
 
- Depending on hospital, TV is not an automatic option as some hospitals just don't have it, but others do. Did your hospital offer any TV service, phone service in your room or wireless internet? If so, did you have to pay extra?
 
I'd say no to all the above outside of major cities but curious about your experience in Tyumen.
 
In your opinion;
 
- how was the equipment as compared to Western hospitals?
 
- how was the building and facility?
 
- Any AC in summer and how was the heating in winter?
 
- Is is safe to assume that hot water was consistently available 24/7 and 365?
 
- were there any major differences you observed (either better or worse) in sanitary standards from East to West?
 
- other than price, what made you choose this particular hospital over any other that you researched?
 
These questions are of great interest to me as you can probably see. In 2009 I wrote an article for Bolshoi magazine titled "A Cure to the Highest Bidder" on the growing practice of corruption and financial "double dipping" in FSU hospitals.
 
And, for a number of years I served as a board member of a Ukrainian based charity in which American and British nurses traveled to the FSU to teach nurses (Russians often call them "sisters" or "medical sisters" because at one time most nurses were nuns) how to do things like change bedsheets with a patient still in the bed, how to give a patient a bed bath, and some simple cleanliness and sanitary procedures that you and I would just naturally expect to be done, but which many FSU nurses outside the major population centres had not been trained.
 
A couple of Easter's ago I wrote "#157j", the story of a little orphan girl at Moscow's Children's Hospital, waiting for an organ transplant. In that story I said, "An important message of Easter is the message of hope. Hope of final resurrection, hope of life eternal, and sometimes the hope of new life while yet here on earth.

Such is the story of #157j. I don't mean to offend by calling her by a number, but you see, that is what she is--a number. Hers just happens to be #157j. Oh, she has a first name but most of the professionals in this hospital know her by the number. It is easier that way. It is on her bed, on her files, and sadly, she knows and responds to the awful moniker."




 
 
All dolled up for Easter, Irina looked very cute but most days she was a deathly sick little girl...waiting for her chance at a intangible called hope in the form of a transplant. As you can tell from her surroundings the Moscow Children's Hospital is well equipped.
 
- From your almost year in treatment, do you feel you were treated more as a person or as a number by the medical staff?
 
A final reason for many of my questions: President Medvedev has been making changes to the Russian legislation on health care, I mentioned upthread about changes titled "Strategy 2020." The most recent cabinet meeting on Health Care was on Friday, 13 April. These meetings are held once monthly so the next meeting will be chaired by president-elect Vladimir Putin after he takes office. As Mr. Medvedev will transition into the Prime Minister position, it is expected that he will continue to lead the health care reforms as those have been among his priorities.
 
Any comments or questions you have about needed improvements are things that can be passed along. I believe that most of the ministers of cabinet are greatly interested in improving Russia's health care delivery system and in competing with the West in health technologies. Is there anything you would like to suggest?
 
Thank you for taking the time to answer.

 
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« Reply #518 on: April 23, 2012, 09:34:01 PM »
that's because I am very loving person. Everyone tells me that.  :popcorn:

That's good! I'm good at being loved!


On a separate topic, aside from fidelity discussion.

1) imho, people in hospitals have many different unusual feelings: fear, stress, hope, too much dreaming, missing their normal life and friends, boredom, restlessness, weakness, having to comply with various restrictions, trying to form social contacts etc etc. If the procedure is serious, or time of stay in the hospital is long - people may feel and act very different than they normally do. You can try google scholar and see if there are any psychology articles about this. This probably partly caused the way you acted there, as well as behavior of people around you.

A person true strength and character is measure when they're at their weakest. This goes for me too, I always thought of myself as being very strong mentally and I could survive almost alone in this world but that wasn't quite the case.


2) 10K RUB is $338.93. I recently sent similar amount to a girl I barely knew in my university 12 years ago. She became a victim of hit-and-run 2 years ago, spent over a year in a hospital, now she can walk only with crutches in her apartment, may need hip replacements, and needs several surgeries to save her arm (it was not treated immediately after accident because the girl was too weak and doctors were saving her life). If she will not get physical therapy - she wil lose ability to walk, and she doesn't have money for physical therapy because her "invalid pension" is a little over $100/mo. Anyway. Right now this girl needs money and university alumni donate to her. I would have given her more if I could at that moment. I will likely help her again, probably more than once. We never were friends, we never had any close relationship. We just knew each other, knew each other's name, sometimes had a small chat, that's all. We didn't stay in touch all these years.
What your girlfriend gave you is much more important than money. You are saying "I helped her a lot" and mention the $338, and it sounds sad. And the saddest part of it is that you do not understand how bad it all sounds.

No the saddest part is the little brain inside your head that misinterpret everything. The money was a small point to the way I helped her,  but I guess you missed the rest of what I wrote, big surprise. but the money did help her, she wouldn't have been able to get her apartment without it.



3) I do not know why you say "her life is Russia." Are there any special reasons which prevent her from relocating abroad if she wanted to and could?

Yes, her daughter will need treatment her whole life, which forces her to stay in Russia. Unless she finds a very rich guy abroad that is willing to take care of her. This is a possibility but based on her character I don't think this will happen

4) taking advantage of a woman is bad. Taking advantage of a woman with a small and sick child is infinitely worse.

This is partially true, but clearly it all depends on different variables.  Good thing I did neither.



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« Reply #519 on: April 23, 2012, 09:35:13 PM »
@ mendeleyev- you're KILLING me  :wallbash: :P :wallbash: :P

That is such a looooooooong post. I'll try and respond

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But I won't throw a fidget for your generalizing in the same vein you showed to AB.....

What I do find flippin halarious is how he (thru no fault of his own) saw little of the country that makes up 1/6 of the earth's surface during his stay, met only with a small sample of Russia's 143,030,106 people while being mostly confined to a hospital setting, and yet some are willing to accept generalizations without asking qualifing questions and then blowing a fuse when some do ask probing questions. That to me is not a sign of great intelligence, but of lemmings who follow each other over a cliff.
 
I think that AB could be quite an engaging young man and would love to sit down and hear more of his story someday. On the areas I might disagree, I'm a man and certainly not afraid to put up a challenge.
 
 
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« Reply #521 on: April 23, 2012, 09:39:32 PM »
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That is such a looooooooong post. I'll try and respond

Thank you. I certainly don't want to kill you! Still, I appreciate your effort to respond. The questions are actually important.
 
 
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« Reply #522 on: April 23, 2012, 09:43:47 PM »
I have a business and I've been super lazy lately and you caught me right in the middle of working so I should focus on that, but I'll deff respond later..

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Thank you, AB.
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« Reply #524 on: April 23, 2012, 11:05:14 PM »

What I do find flippin halarious is how he (thru no fault of his own) saw little of the country that makes up 1/6 of the earth's surface during his stay, met only with a small sample of Russia's 143,030,106 people while being mostly confined to a hospital setting, and yet some are willing to accept generalizations without asking qualifing questions and then blowing a fuse when some do ask probing questions. That to me is not a sign of great intelligence, but of lemmings who follow each other over a cliff.

Some simply took the thread in context. Obviously you and others took something else from it. It has very little to do with anyone having the intelligence to read things in context.

Can you imagine someone going into one of your threads and saying "well, geez, your title is what makes Russia so interesting, why not talk about how sexy the women are? Are they really promiscuous?" After all, the site is RWD - Russian Women Discussion.

Surely as a journalist like yourself, that didn't need explaining, right? If you read back on this thread you and some others are the ones blowing fuses, lol. Which brings me back to a question you did not address.

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..what is the reason (or reasons) you *seem* to be hostile, at worst - annoyed at best, towards the OP?

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...I think that AB could be quite an engaging young man and would love to sit down and hear more of his story someday. On the areas I might disagree, I'm a man and certainly not afraid to put up a challenge.

Now that's more like it. Had you presented your initial posts in the same manner, you've likely saved yourself some misguided angst.
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