List of GOOD SITES?

[Jerry1337]

Is there a list of RELIABLE sites?

Elenasmodels?  Khersongirls?

I don't want to waste my time or money...

[Shadow]

I don't want to waste my time or money...

Then you are probably not suited for this venture, as it requires a waste of both.

[calmissile]

Seriously, one of the members has a geat post on free sites and those with nominal fees and direct contact with the ladies.  I am sure he will post it for you tomorrow.  I found www.ukrainedate.com to be very good.  Your mileage may very.

[Muzh]

Wait for a few minutes. ML will be here with his list. 

[Jerry1337]

Cool

[Daveman]

Wait for a few minutes. ML will be here with his list. 

LoL I was coming here to give him a drum roll for his entry...


Come on ML, this is like a New Fashioned Tradition! 

[ML]

OK guys, I was a little late arriving. 

But, on a related note, I am going to take a long absence from this site, so it would be good if someone else took over this role. 

Daveman, can't this info be put in a sticky, so that anyone can just reference the newbies to it.

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Jerry, you need to take the course: Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.

Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

[Jerry1337]

Dude you are a LIFE SAVER!

This should be made a sticky...

[ML]

OK, now it is posted in the Starting Out section, and Daveman is going to make it a sticky.

[Jerry1337]

You sure earned that Hero label...

 

[Eduard]

Is it just me or does any one else find it slightly curious that these recommendations of sites/services come from guys who aren't married to an FSU woman?

[Konfushus]

I'm married to a Russian woman and think it's a good list and advice. My first recommendation would be don't do it. My second would be similar to what ML posted.

What do married guys here recommend?

[Eduard]

I'm married to a Russian woman and think it's a good list and advice. My first recommendation would be don't do it. My second would be similar to what ML posted.

What do married guys here recommend?

"don't do it"??? why??? I'm happily married with 2 children to a RW. Wouldn't have it any other way!
I'm even more confused now because of your post. On one hand you say that it's a good list and advice, on the other hand you say "don't do it!". What gives? Are you not in a happy marriage? If that's the case then maybe you should be recommending how not to do it. I'm not familiar with your situation and I apologise if I'm assuming too much but I'm just going by this post of yours.
Wouldn't it make a lot more sense if men who are happily married to FSU women would be the ones to recommend sites/services and share their experience how they did it?

[Konfushus]

Hello Eduard,

I'm in a wonderful marriage and also wouldn't have it any other way!

I met my wife because I was (and am) living in Russia. I can't recommend for someone to do what I did, because I didn't come here in search of a wife. I could have never found her from afar as she was never on any dating site. 

For most guys out there, I'd say don't do it, not based on my life, but on what I've seen, especially amongst couples in the US. Maybe I'll share some gorey details later. If a guy has considerable time off to actually live in Russia, yeah go for it. Good chance you'll have a blast and can find a very nice wife if that's the goal. If a guy's in a normal situation with 2-3 weeks vacation per year it's a very risky proposition. In this case ML's list is a good one.

There's a lot of good women here. There's a lot of bad women here. Pretty much like anywhere else. Dating here is easy and there are a lot of advantage to being the foreigner new kid in town if you live here. If you don't, the first thing guys see is this very enticing barrier to finding a good wife known as the mail order bride industry.

ML advocates using common dating sites to meet normal women, casting a wide net and avoid agencies. Skirt that barrier. Makes a lot of common sense to me.

What do you recommend?

[Konfushus]

To Eduard: (as requested) 

From another thread, you say it here best:

"I grew up with these women and I can tell a wholesome woman with good values and morals from a woman who is not to be trusted."

You can. A perceptive guy living here can. Most guys out there looking for a Russian wife can't and as you said are playing with fire.

[Eduard]

Hello Eduard,

I'm in a wonderful marriage and also wouldn't have it any other way!

I met my wife because I was (and am) living in Russia. I can't recommend for someone to do what I did, because I didn't come here in search of a wife. I could have never found her from afar as she was never on any dating site. 

For most guys out there, I'd say don't do it, not based on my life, but on what I've seen, especially amongst couples in the US. Maybe I'll share some gorey details later. If a guy has considerable time off to actually live in Russia, yeah go for it. Good chance you'll have a blast and can find a very nice wife if that's the goal. If a guy's in a normal situation with 2-3 weeks vacation per year it's a very risky proposition. In this case ML's list is a good one.

There's a lot of good women here. There's a lot of bad women here. Pretty much like anywhere else. Dating here is easy and there are a lot of advantage to being the foreigner new kid in town if you live here. If you don't, the first thing guys see is this very enticing barrier to finding a good wife known as the mail order bride industry.

ML advocates using common dating sites to meet normal women, casting a wide net and avoid agencies. Skirt that barrier. Makes a lot of common sense to me.

What do you recommend?

I agree a 100% with everything you said, and in particular the part about avoiding agencies and using free local Russian sites instead. This is exactly how I help my clients meet their wives. However along with providing a newbie with the list of sites some one should make them aware that even among single women who are not a part of the MOB scene there are plenty of women to be avoided. As discussed in the other thread a good number of FSU women have questionable ethics and morals when it comes to sex and being faithful and honest even when they are in a committed relationship. A WM has to be able to recognise what kind of woman he is dealing with and without being fluent in Russian language and culture, OR spending a lot of time in the FSU immersed in that culture, dating or living with a woman for a relatively long period of time it is very difficult for him to identify a good one from a bad one.


If a guy simply does what ML is suggesting he will be gambling with his life and there is only about a 50% chance that he will bring home a good woman IMO.  If he really focuses on learning Russian and lives in the FSU for a few years his chances of marrying a good, honest woman would be a lot better, but even then there is a probability that there is no real understanding between them and things may fall apart once he brings her to the US (Scott in Crimea comes to mind). Also a lot depends on a man's perceptiveness and life experience. A very perceptive guy like I/O for instance would have a much better chance of landing a good woman compared to some of the men I've encountered who were looking for a wife in the FSU. There is a lot more to this persuite than knowing a few good sites...

[Manny]

Wouldn't it make a lot more sense if men who are happily married to FSU women would be the ones to recommend sites/services and share their experience how they did it?

Yes and no.

Many of those married have been so for a while. Since then, sites have changed hands, economies have improved, etc. It is not a static subject. A site that is good this year may not be next year.

ML's list is a list of free or flat fee sites. Whilst they work for some, they do not work for all and do not expose you to all women. However, I find that men who are hung up on free sites and refuse to pay for anything tend to do less well.

For example, the site I met my wife on has changed hands since I used it and the model changed a bit. Similarly, things have changed in Russia and fewer men are marrying women from there now than in the past. I am seeing fewer successes coming out of Ukraine now and more out of Belarus and the Stans.

I agree that there is far more to this than being pointed to some sites that some bloke reckons are OK simply because they are free or cheap. Better to read all you can find and learn about the subject matter as a whole. Armed with such knowledge, the wife seeker might not just head blindly to Ukraine with the sheep to meet some woman twenty five years younger than him. He would have the knowledge to think outside of the box, consider other places and be able to navigate any site successfully - paid or not.

There are many men around who have married women they found at what many here would term 'scam sites'. That tells us that men who actually know what they are doing can find their woman anywhere.

[Shadow]

I agree with Manny here. Also the economics seem to have changed things quite a bit.
I have placed a profile of a female friend of Mrs Shadow on the site we met, and so far did not get any reactions, where as I am certain at the time we were active there her pictures would have gotten her a number of unsollicited marriage proposals in a matter of days.

Will probably try some of the sites here to help her out.
If anyone here is interested in a 23-year old woman from Dnepropetrovsk with a young child, they can send me a PM.

[Muzh]

Is it just me or does any one else find it slightly curious that these recommendations of sites/services come from guys who aren't married to an FSU woman?

LMAO

I just saw your signature. Boy you are shameless. 

So how is it going on the RBL touting your own business? No one has caught up yet? You don't have to worry about me, Dumb and Dumber will not allow me to post there.

[Eduard]

LMAO

I just saw your signature. Boy you are shameless. 

So how is it going on the RBL touting your own business? No one has caught up yet? You don't have to worry about me, Dumb and Dumber will not allow me to post there.

Dear Muzh,
If I were planning to deceive any one I wouldn't have picked my site's name as my handle there, would I now? Give me some credit, would you? I registered planning to tell them exactly who I was, but as I registered and started reading, right there, on the latest page I found a question from a guy who watched my video on youtube. He asked if any one knew anything about my get russian wife site. So this other dude who is a service provider himself posts the answer - stay away, they have Anna Chapman's photo on the site it's a scam most likely...and by the way I'm married to a RW from Yoshkar and we can hook you up so contact me privately. In other words he just lied about my services to steal my client. Furthermore, when I questioned his conclusions about get russian wife and asked to produce evidence of scam his reply to me was something like: "well, use it if you want to you are likely to get scammed so it will be your problem" So I decided to show that he was a liar and remain incognito for a few days. Simple as that.

[Muzh]

Ed, from here it looks like you want to discredit this guy because he lives in UA and because of that he would not be able to properly translate English to Russian and vice versa. Basically, his business.

[Eduard]

Ed, from here it looks like you want to discredit this guy because he lives in UA and because of that he would not be able to properly translate English to Russian and vice versa. Basically, his business.

OK, what ever you say... I just found the guy's use of the word "intercourse" instead of "dialog" pretty hilarious. But I actually did apologise to him for bringing it up.

[Konfushus]

To Eduard:

Gotcha. Most foreigners coming to Russia wouldn't know if the women they meet are the equivalent of uneducated trailer trash, so I see the value in your services. Catch22 is that there are a lot of women that would want no part of a third party introduction or agency and the only way to reach them is on your own.

To Manny:

I've read your comments against "free sites" before. The list above is a good list not because it's free or cheap, but because these are primarily normal sites with many many women. Nothing is going to "expose you to all women", but sites are going to attract different type of women. If men are really looking for the type of women agency sites promote, the last place to look is your typical agency. That's not the type of women agencies actually tend to recruit and attract.

I don't buy what you say about many men meeting their wives on "scam" sites. Nobody has met their wife through a true scam agency because there are no women there to be met, period. I'm sure some have met through agencies people here call scam sites like Anastasia, but where are the many? I've read through a lot of the archives here and at the site you run and have chatted with quite a few people. Of the married folk here I see a lot that used Elena's Models. I've read many mentions of free personals, bride.ru and mamba. Some have used private services of other posters here and some have met wives just being in Russia as I did.

What do other members here think? Are there many here that met their wives through "scam" sites here or am I right in thinking that most of you met through the sites and means I listed above?

[Daveman]

I've read your comments against "free sites" before. The list above is a good list not because it's free or cheap, but because these are primarily normal sites with many many women. Nothing is going to "expose you to all women", but sites are going to attract different type of women. If men are really looking for the type of women agency sites promote, the last place to look is your typical agency. That's not the type of women agencies actually tend to recruit and attract.

As I've mentioned before, I met my wife through EM, as have many others. I could also have found her on Mamba as she was also on there (as well as a few other local Ukrainian dating sites).  That begs the question "would I have found her on Mamba?"


Probably not as it is enormous, but certainly I would have found, through diligent effort, quite a number of compatible ladies. 


A site like Mamba, IMO, would be geared more to someone wanting to meet many ladies in a single city while EM is more suited to those with a VO approach.  Naturally that isn't set in stone.


EM certainly isn't an expensive membership but one can also peruse the catalog for free and then search for the same ladies on the free sites or vk. 


I think ML's list is a good starting point for someone looking into this.  That's what it is meant to be -- an excellent starting point.

[Boethius]

certainly I would have found, through diligent effort, quite a number of compatible ladies. 

WTH is wrong with you?  You are married.  To a woman.  One who reads this forum. 

You know there was, and is, only one woman compatible to you.


And oops, sorry, hit "modify" instead of "quote", but I restored your post.