No reply - revisited.

[CalvinHobbes]

There have been 4-6 women on EM who have intiated contact. I reply very cordially and express desire to communicate further. Then no response from them. All of these have been about 15 years younger, and of course, beautiful.
Two of these women showed up after all my credits had been used.
Is it possible EM may be involved in unethical actions? If age is the issue then wouldn't the ladies have known my age before they sent me the first email?

Confused....

[Shadow]

Probably sending them your real photo with the reply was the issue. 

[CalvinHobbes]

wait, I just looked... I accidentally sent them your photo....    ha!

[Shadow]

wait, I just looked... I accidentally sent them your photo....    ha!

I guess I should put up a serious answer.

Ok here are the possibilities.
First of all, yes it is entirely possible that women who contact you are not really interested.
I would not without a lot of proof accuse the office of Elena's Models of doing this, although with business being slow it would be pretty easy to script, or let the present staff send out some hints.

But the question here is, while you may have responded were you also active in searching through profiles for possible matches, and how many of them responded ? Sitting and waiting until you get approached works as American in a bar in Russia but not  on websites.

Also you should understand that due to lack or not trusting language skills, many women are not directly present. In many cases official and unofficial subagencies do some work on the profiles, offering the women a selection of whom they wish to go further with.
The 'bad apples' are weeded out and not presented at all, mostly men who come across as disturbed or make offers of sexual nature.
From the rest the women will select one or two to communicate further with, and you may just not have been among them. Another possiblity is that you in your letter have used some humour or slang that did not translate well, reason to drop you at once.

So to be short, yes its possible and not out of the question. But there are many more possibilities.

[Eduard]

Sitting and waiting until you get approached works as American in a bar in Russia...

Really? RW actually approach men in Russian bars if they think he is American? Where is that bar? Got a name? I'll send my client there if we have a free day in between the dates! You aren't talking about hookers, right?

[The Natural]

Really? RW actually approach men in Russian bars if they think he is American? Where is that bar? Got a name? I'll send my client there if we have a free day in between the dates! You aren't talking about hookers, right?

Well, one can perhaps test that out with American Boy.

[Eduard]

Well, one can perhaps test that out with American Boy.

my clients normally are a bit older than AB and aren't looking for clubbing teens for a one night stand. In my experience women who I would consider "marriage material" don't approach Americans in bars just because a guy looks  "American".

[Shadow]

my clients normally are a bit older than AB and aren't looking for clubbing teens for a one night stand. In my experience women who I would consider "marriage material" don't approach Americans in bars just because a guy looks  "American".

Hookers can be marriage material as well. Apart from that I did not say anything about the quality of the women approaching, just that if you wish to sit and wait until something happens a bar in Russia gives you more chances as sitting on a website. And I guess that you know very well that Americans (and other foreigners) stand out in any bar in Russia they visit. Just ordering a drink is enough to get attention pointed towards you.

[CalvinHobbes]

Tks for the advice. I looked at my responses to these ladies and they were all simple, non-sexual, non-stupid, and very cordial and friendly.
Me thinks that EM is using this as a means to keep me enticed. I sent an email to the site administrator and my issue was ignored.
I'm not stupid... the site may be legit but I believe the ownership is reverting to scam tactics used by other web sites.

[CalvinHobbes]

Addendum:
Some women on EM and I have connected via Skype. When I see they are online I send them a few chat messages. Then they are quickly gone! This has occured many times with several women.
Though I'm sure there are many ladies on EM with proper motives, that there indeed scammers and/or the site management is using these tactics to keep me spending money on the site.

[Gator]

Addendum:
Some women on EM and I have connected via Skype. When I see they are online I send them a few chat messages. Then they are quickly gone! This has occured many times with several women.

Online at Skype or EM?  If Skype they are probably chatting with Shadow and do not want to be interrupted.  Same for you if you were chatting with a RW and another RW said Hi!
 

Though I'm sure there are many ladies on EM with proper motives, that there indeed scammers and/or the site management is using these tactics to keep me spending money on the site.

Membership at EM is for a fixed price and a finite period, 3 months or 6  months.   3 months is a long time, certainly long enough to establish contact with several women, and then let you membership expire.    No offence intended, but if you have not found anyone interesting in 3 or 6 months, the problem is you, not EM.

[CalvinHobbes]

No offense taken Gator. Good advice. EM has changed the structure so one can purchase credits instead of a time membership. A credit is used when I begin communication with someone new no matter who initiates it.
I've found several wonderful ladies in the short time I've been on the site these past 2 months. With the exception of 4 I'm currently communicating with that the others, albeit very beautiful both inside and out, probably are not a match.
My experience in the USA and Asia says someone can have alternative motives besides marriage and family. I was expressing that I'm currently dealing with this on EM. Not knocking the site - but stating fact. However the fact is interpreted is up to the reader just like you interpreted that the problem could reside with me. That's fair to say as just as me saying some of the "ladies" are a front to solicit more business. It raises suspicion when very young and very attractive women contact me, then when I respond in kind with very cordial letters, that they disappear. And this only has occured with very young and very beautiful women.
95% of my time on EM has been positive. Much more positive than my time on match.com and eharmony. I'm still using EM.
If this is about nailing down a prospect on EM and getting married within a few months only for the goal to get married then count me out... this isn't the life I want. If this is about for my true-love... my second half and will share an iron-clad marriage with children... who will truly be the reason why I work hard and sacrifice whatever for her and my family... who will be there through thick and thin... who makes me want to be a better man and yet humble because I know I don't deserve someone that special... then I'm all in.

[Eduard]

Because of EM's good reputation I think that the ratio of WM to RW on that site is probably not very favorable for WM. I would think that the competition for better looking women is pretty fierce there and they have many options of different WM to pick from. In my experience nothing beats local Russian dating sites if you really know what you are doing.

[SANDRO43]

EM has changed the structure so one can purchase credits instead of a time membership.

So they've reinstated their old policy - maybe they realised their revenues were on the downturn without it in the current economic climate .

[Daveman]

...EM has changed the structure so one can purchase credits instead of a time membership. A credit is used when I begin communication with someone new no matter who initiates it...

It's been quite a while since I've been there.. are you indicating that they have added an option to buy credits in addition to the flat rate timed memberships that were already available (gold, platinum)?


Or have they switched to credits only?   And if that is the case, have they become your basic "pay per letter" deal? or just use a credit for each lady?

Because of EM's good reputation I think that the ratio of WM to RW on that site is probably not very favorable for WM. I would think that the competition for better looking women is pretty fierce there and they have many options of different WM to pick from. In my experience nothing beats local Russian dating sites if you really know what you are doing.

definitely unfavorable if a man wishes to set up a VM trip (meeting more than just a couple)..   but for a meeting good ladies for VO type trips, unless he's Quasimodo *and* lists his occupation as "bell ringer" ("swing from the ropes to loud and beautiful music" may be better) he'll do fine.


I'd say nothing beats local Russian dating sites if you speak Russian fluently.  They're downgraded to an OK to Good option if you don't but are willing to put in some time and effort.

[SANDRO43]

Dave, that was part of their standard policy up to about a year ago, when they switched to subscription only.

[Gator]

CalvinHobbes,
 
Good response.  I wish you the best.  It sounds as if you are taking your time.  I commend that.
 
BTW,  I just opened Elena's Models and I do not see any different service arrangements between today and 10 years ago.
 
Your Gold membership [$150 for 6 months] includes:

• 50 CONTACTS (choose up to 50 women, send and receive as many mails as you want at no extra cost)
• UNLIMITED "Expressions of Interest"
• UNLIMITED mails
• Additional extra-large PHOTOS of ladies
• Exchange direct contact details (email addresses, phone numbers, Skype and MSN names etc) and you can have UNLIMITED, FREE video dates and chat with women^
• Gold status icon

[SANDRO43]

BTW,  I just opened Elena's Models and I do not see any different service arrangements between today and 10 years ago.

Phil, golf must be making you either partially blind or unattentive , a little further on their page (http://www.elenasmodels.com/services/membership.htm) they say:

Want to contact only 1 woman?
No problem! Open her personal page and click on the link "Email me", and then select the option to buy 1 contact credit for only  $15. This will allow you to exchange UNLIMITED mails with the woman of your choice (or buy 10 contact credits for $49 to exchange UNLIMITED mails with 10 women).

As I said, this convenient alternative was cancelled about a year ago and is now back.

[Faux Pas]

Calvin,

What is your M.O. here? Are you spotting an interesting women and then buy some credits? Attempting to go "on the cheap" really isn't advisable IMO. Spend the One Fitty and go all in or find another site.

EMs is where I met my wife. In the process (I had a gold membership) I communicated with so many women it was a chore, literally. They are there and with direct contact. It was near impossible not to communicate with women.

[Gator]

Phil, golf must be making you either partially blind or unattentive

Thanks for the correction.

Age and  masturbation, not golf, are making me blind.

[Eduard]

Thanks for the correction.

Age and  masturbation, not golf, are making me blind.