The Wall(s) of Words War re: Age Gaps

[Jack]

American Boy,

As others have advised you, don't get discouraged by a few old timers that challenge you on everything.  Just put them on ignore.
These same guys that claim to be "happily married" seem to have nothing better to do than read and post on forums all day.  Also understand, that the forum probably does not represent a cross section of those that are "happily married" to FSU women.  From the married ones I talk to off line, once they are married they have no time or interest in lurking or posting on forums.

There is also a large generational gap.  The older folks tend to become more judgemental of the younger generations. 

American Boy, and all new guy's getting involved or thinking about getting involved with seeking a FSU bride, their is a lot of truth to this post above.

I know of hundreds of happily married men to a FSU wife and less than 10 of those men particapate in Russian discussion boards.  Why is that?   When I see the "happily married" man who spends hours everyday on this or other Russian discussion boards I do not have to wonder just how happily married he is, I have a pretty good idea.   And I apply the same thinking to that one man who wrote one Russian woman, meet one Russian women and married the only Russian woman he ever met, it's amazing how knowledgeable he is of ALL Russian women since his own actual experience was limited to one woman.

Regarding large age gapes between Russian women and foreign men. American Boy if you will stick to about a 15 year age difference as the greatest number of years between you and a younger Rus/Ukr woman you will have a much greater chance of a long lasting and happy marriage.  10-12 years age difference is almost never a problem with most of these women.  Most Rus/Ukr women will consider a foreign man up to 15 years age difference if he is well off, handsome, in good shape, if he has lasting things to bring to the relationship.   When you see women who say age makes no difference, or have no problem with 20-25-30 years age difference 95% of the time these will be women not so sincere.  Very few Rus/Ukr women want a marriage or relationship with a man 20 years, or more, older than her.   When you do run across a sincere woman who has no problem with a plus 20 year age difference she is the exception, NOT the norm.   I would recommend to try to look for the normal Rus/Ukr women, not the exceptions.

[Ranetka]

 American Boy if you will stick to about a 15 year age difference as the greatest number of years between you and a younger Rus/Ukr woman you will have a much greater chance of a long lasting and happy marriage. 

15 years...That would be illegal.

[Ade]

15 years...That would be illegal.

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[Ade]

I know of hundreds of happily married men to a FSU wife and less than 10 of those men particapate in Russian discussion boards.  Why is that?   

Assuming the question is not rhetorical, let me take a wild stab at that; most of the guys you know are the guys that came to your MOB parties, and, generally (sorry, have to generalize a little here), the guys that are interested in your sleazy-looking parties may very well be one or more of the following 1) not that interested in intelligent discourse, 2) have problems with stringing two words together, 3) are a little ashamed to admit they were in one of your parties let alone met their wives there 4) they are too busy fending off their "hot tempered" women in court.

When I see the "happily married" man who spends hours everyday on this or other Russian discussion boards I do not have to wonder just how happily married he is, I have a pretty good idea. 

Actually, I think it's very likely that you have absolutely no clue, given that, as far as I understand, you are not happily married yourself. In the spirit of openness, how about telling the prospective clients here how many failed marriages and relationships you've had? And that makes you an expert in what exactly, how not to do it I guess? 

And I apply the same thinking to that one man who wrote one Russian woman, meet one Russian women and married the only Russian woman he ever met, it's amazing how knowledgeable he is of ALL Russian women since his own actual experience was limited to one woman.

Few men here claim to know how all Russian women think and that's the point you always miss. Perhaps it's just that you're jealous of the fact the some us managed to meet and marry classy women that we are deliriously happy with. You are welcome to your endlesss stream of party girls, some of us have no need of them.

Regarding large age gapes between Russian women and foreign men. American Boy if you will stick to about a 15 year age difference as the greatest number of years between you and a younger Rus/Ukr woman you will have a much greater chance of a long lasting and happy marriage. 

So let's see, AmericanBoy is 28 subtract 15 and that gives 13 (sorry, I don't mean to be condescending but your basic arithmetic is perhaps a little poor). Is that the quality of the advice you normally give your clients Jack? 

[calmissile]

Jack,

Please do not respond to Ade.  He makes a fool of himself everytime he uses the keyboard.  His personal attacks, smart ass comments, and off-topic posts have become very boring to many of us.  If the moderators continue to permit it so be it, but by responding to him simply gives him a reason to continue.

[Ade]

Jack,

Please do not respond to Ade.  He makes a fool of himself everytime he uses the keyboard.  His personal attacks, smart ass comments, and off-topic posts have become very boring to many of us.  If the moderators continue to permit it so be it, but by responding to him simply gives him a reason to continue.

 


I think one of Jack's tours would suit you just fine.

[Turboguy]

Heck, I have been to one of Jack's parties Ade.  I am definately not afraid to admit it.  Actually I thought it was great and a wonderful way to go.  I guess that eliminates one of the options you listed so It must be one of the other two options. Gee thanks.

[Shadow]

Jack,

Please do not respond to Ade.  He makes a fool of himself everytime he uses the keyboard.  His personal attacks, smart ass comments, and off-topic posts have become very boring to many of us.  If the moderators continue to permit it so be it, but by responding to him simply gives him a reason to continue.

As much as Ade has been a bit too critical here and there, with this he is spot-on.
I doubt Jack yout the time to actually read up on the age of AmericanBoy before suggesting him anything up to a 15 year age difference.

[Turboguy]

The cold hard reality is that every one is right.  Jack's advice on age.gap was spot on, but had he read tbe thread closer he would have noticed the age of the OP.  We are making a mountain out of a molehill.  Lets move on.

[Faux Pas]

The cold hard reality is that every one is right.  Jack's advice on age.gap was spot on, but had he read tbe thread closer he would have noticed the age of the OP.  We are making a mountain out of a molehill.  Lets move on.

Probably for the best. However, much of Jacks posts reeks of ulterior motive 

For you to lend support to Jacks age gap advice is a little rich isn't it?  "Do as I say, not as I do"?

[Turboguy]

Ouch!  You got me on that one.  OK, I will reword what I said to Jack's advice is consistant wjth what many on RWD would say.  My own fellings are that other issues are as or more important but many will have a better chance at happiness if they don't push the envelope.

[Boethius]

I don't think most "rules" on age gaps are useful.  Love either exists in a relationship or it does not.  Where it does not, parties will divorce where one is no longer convenient to the other.

All the justifications ("men in their fifties look good" - you may, but you aren't 30 - "FSU women are more mature", "large age gaps are normal in FSU republics") are just that.

If a woman does not love a man, that will be the case whether there is an age gap or not.  And vice versa.

The only caution I would have is to not marry a woman who does not know herself. 

[Faux Pas]

I dunno Turbo, age gaps for those that work, work and those that don't, don't. The number of the working ones to the ones that don't are very disproportionate in number. I don't think the 15 year "recommended cut-off" is solid advice IMHO. Even though it might be recommended by a bigger number of posters. My recommendation would be, if it doesn't work for you in your own country, don't count on it working for you in another.

[Daveman]

Let's remember that this really isn't an "Age Gap" thread...  as long as it doesn't become the primary topic of the thread, we can let it flow a bit.. [Admin note: Well, since the topic is now split, it is kinda an age gap thread]


I'm with FP.. I don't see 15years as some magic cut off number or "sound advice" as being safe.  I think no matter how you slice it, the farther you get from the same age the less likely real chemistry, shared interests, shared goals, etc., and thus less likely real relationship sustaining compatibility exists, so logically the more risk the relationship won't last as the couple tires of the little crapola thingies that drive them crazy...


It's all a gamble anyway so if ya wanna roll that way, go for it... just don't whine about it later when/if the dice go in a different way.


So, let's get back onto the topic of reaming AB a new one, eh?????     

[Eduard]

I don't think most "rules" on age gaps are useful.  Love either exists in a relationship or it does not.  Where it does not, parties will divorce where one is no longer convenient to the other.

All the justifications ("men in their fifties look good" - you may, but you aren't 30 - "FSU women are more mature", "large age gaps are normal in FSU republics") are just that.

If a woman does not love a man, that will be the case whether there is an age gap or not.  And vice versa.

The only caution I would have is to not marry a woman who does not know herself.

wise words!
PS. how did this thread become another "age gap" discussion?

[Jack]

Jack,

Please do not respond to Ade. 

calmissle I have no problem responding to Ade.   In the overall scope of things I think those with a vast amount of knowledge who share this forum are somewhat obligated in sharing their information, voicing their opinion, helping others.

He makes a fool of himself everytime he uses the keyboard.  His personal attacks, smart ass comments, and off-topic posts have become very boring to many of us.  If the moderators continue to permit it so be it, but by responding to him simply gives him a reason to continue.

Yes, you are correct. You, me, many others realize that Ade is really not so bright when it comes to knowledge of the pursuit for a Russian bride and I think it does good to expose, show this to the many new members and lurkers.  I have met, seen, know several men who wrote one, met one and married the only Russian woman they ever met.  In my opinion most of these men, not all but the overwhelming majority of these type of men seem to proceed with life as if they have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to participating in Russian/Ukraine women discussion boards. In their mind many think they somehow got cheated, short changed in the many, many joys of meeting many Rus/Urk women in the pursuit of finding the one very best woman for him.

Over the years I have become friends with 6 men who wrote one, met one and married the only Russian woman they ever meet.  In talking with these 6 men over the last several years at various times each and every one said the same thing to me in confidence.  Based on this 6 for 6 same feelings, almost word for word same comment, I have to think this is very common with most men who wrote one, met one and married the only Russian woman they ever met is quite high.

Of course I won't mention any names with two of these men being RWD members. One guy still posts on RWD, one has not posted here for several years although he and I still communicate.  Some of the old timers here will very well remember this man, he was well liked and quite a character.

So what was this one thing these 6 men all said that was common amongst them? 

When discussing how life was going, how the marriage was going, each man would say things are going fine, the marriage is doing well. Then each would say, in a very low voice and I imagined they looked over their shoulder and made sure no one was close by as they spoke,..... "yes, everything is fine with the marriage Jack but if I had to do it all over again, I would have met a few more Russian women".   I think that is all I need to say regarding this.  Those comments from 6 men who wrote one, met one, married the only Russian women they ever met speak volumes.

Assuming the question is not rhetorical, let me take a wild stab at that; most of the guys you know are the guys that came to your MOB parties,

ahhhh, well we see right from the very start you are incorrect.  Most of the guy's I know do not attend my parties.  Although I do three tours a year,  everyday of the week I am helping men on what we call "individual tours".  I probably help some 150 men a year on individual tours and of course these guys are not attending any parties.   Again, a great example as to your overall lack of knowledge as to what you are talking about.

and, generally (sorry, have to generalize a little here), the guys that are interested in your sleazy-looking parties

And again your great lack of knowledge is being displayed.

My parties ade were designed as a result of me being offended by how I saw the large agencies were treating the women who attended.  Most women never met a single man at these events.  Very few of the women met all the men.  The women having to stand, no place to sit.    Not at my parties.   The women being given one ticket for one drink.  And no food.   Again, not at my parties. At my parties the women are given food, the women can drink juice, Champaign, the women are given a place to sit.    And 15 women to one man?  10 women to one man?  How disrespectful to these fine women.    My parties have a ratio of 5 women to every man.  Every woman meets every man.  Every woman is treated with respect.

So when you mention sleazy party, just goes to show, as I think I have done a very good job of presenting to the masses, you simply do not know what you are talking about.

not that interested in intelligent discourse,

Far from being a truthful statement.  Unlike you ade, my clients are educated as to the pursuit for a Russian bride.  The number one profession of most my clients are (1)  doctors, (2) lawyers, (3) pilots, (4) business owners.

On the upcoming trip we have 2 doctors, 1 lawyer, 2 pilots.   I think these men are considerably more intelligent than you are.  But then again, another great example of you speaking out your arse and not knowing what you are talking about.

2) have problems with stringing two words together, 3

Sure ade!   Again, a great example of someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about.  Doctors, pilots   (we won't address lawyers)  not able to string two words together?   Sure ade, only in your dream world.

3) are a little ashamed to admit they were in one of your parties let alone met their wives there

I do not think any of our men attending our parties were ashamed of being there.  I have spoken with men who have attended our parties who also attended parties of AFA, Anastasia, who have expressed many things they did not like about those parties and how my parties, tours, were so much different and respectful of the women.

But to a degree I have seen a great number of men who have found a MOB to not talk about this in general.  Not just men associated with my agency, but all men in general, no matter if they found there bride thru an agency, thru EM, thru a newspaper ad, thru Anastasia or mamba.  To a degree I have found a great number of men, a high percentage of men, who generally do not talk about finding there bride thru anything related to the MOB industry.

they are too busy fending off their "hot tempered" women in court.

Again, someone who does not know what he is talking about.

Today in USA, in Russia, in Ukraine, where there is about a 50% divorce rate for all marriages, I am proud that my marriages over two years old are at an 78.8 percentage mark.  Up until about three years ago I was at or a little over 80%.

In reality ade a man using my services actually had a higher percentage of NOT seeing his woman in court.   But I know, this is not what you want presented, would take away from the ugly picture you would like to paint.

And look at the greatest match maker of them all, eduard.   At last count that I was aware of, 38 marriages and NOT a single divorce.   100% of every couple eduard has brought together has stayed married.

eduard at 100%, me at 78.8%,  in countries where 50% is the norm?    Again ade, showing you don't know what you are talking about.

I know, I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.   

Actually, I think it's very likely that you have absolutely no clue, given that, as far as I understand, you are not happily married yourself.

ade, I am the happiest I have even been in my life!   I am living a dream. I'm afraid someone is going to pinch me and I wake up from this dream.   I don't want to be married?   ade I could find a wife on every trip.  I have some fine ladies now who would like to marry me.  I do not have it in my heart to be married.  I have no interest in being married.   I enjoy meeting, seeing, many new and old friends.   

I am probably one of the happiest men in the world today. Ask anyone who knows me or has met me.  Based on the fact you are a "happily married man" who spends hours a day on this site, I am quite sure I am a lot happier with my life than you are yours.

In the spirit of openness, how about telling the prospective clients here how many failed marriages and relationships you've had?

Well ade I guess it could be very subjective in describing what is a failed marriage.  I spent 7 wonderful, happy years of my life with a Russian woman. Maybe in your dismal world a divorce after 7 years would be a failed marriage but for Natalia and myself we had a very happy, wonderful 7 years of being together.  Even today we still see each other, still love and care for each other.  I do not know of many ex marriages where so much love and care still exist.  You can call this a failed marriage because I think this is the type mentality you have.  Life is short.  Any man or woman who can enjoy life to the fullest in 6 or 7 or 8 year time spans, and really enjoy life, I think are extremely lucky people.  I do consider myself one of the luckiest men alive today.  And when I die my family will know, and I want my  friends to know I died being a very happy man and living the most fullest of life.

As far as how many relationships I have had.  Well, we won't be able to put a number on that until I die as my relationships are still a part of my life and are all quite wonderful.   

And that makes you an expert in what exactly,

Unlike you ade, who met one Russian woman, I have met thousands of Russian/Ukraine ladies. I have spoken with thousands of Russian/Ukraine women as to what they are looking for, what they would like to see and to find in a local or a foreign man.  I am lucky to have been able to meet and know many Russian and Ukraine men, young and old. To talk with, to get to know what these young 18 to 22 year old Rus/Ukr men think, how they act, how these men of 23 to 30 feel and act, how these Russian men of 35 to 50 feel and act.  And ade I have got to meet, speak with thousands of foreign men as to what they are seeking in a Russian/Ukraine wife.

Having helped these foreign men to meet many good ladies, being able to help men to meet good and sincere ladies, being able to help men not to getting scammed, helping men to get direct contact with thousands of Russian and Ukraine women, have these men tell me about that they were able to feel and see, certainly have helped me to gain valuable insight to this most magnificent pursuit.

This has been a part of my daily life since 1995. Everyday since mid 1995.  I receive call's everyday from men all over the world asking for my advice, asking for my opinion.  I seriously doubt you have had more than one man in your entire life ask you anything about a Russian woman.   Between you and me as to who is an expert and who is not, I think there is little doubt in anyone's mind, other than yours, as to who is the expert.

I have noticed in this field there are many wannabe experts, you are a prime example of a wannabe expert and I enjoy showing to the membership here, and the newby and lurkers just how much you know, or to put it more correctly, how little you know.

What is an expert?  Probably many different definitions.  To me if men pay you for your advice, if you are paid for your suggestions, if you are paid for your opinions, if men pay you to provide them with services, you are probably an expert. 

Few men here claim to know how all Russian women think

Few?  I know of no man who claims they know how all Russian women think.  I know a lot about Russian women, probably 100 times more than you, but I don't come close to knowing how all Russian women think.

and that's the point you always miss.

And that's the point I miss!   

Ok, then please tell me ade, who are some of these few men who know all about Russian women?    Yes, I missed this point, I did not realize we had anyone here who know all about Russian women but being the wannabe expert you are I'm sure you can tell us who these few men are.

Perhaps it's just that you're jealous of the fact the some us managed to meet and marry classy women that we are deliriously happy with.

jealous?  Quite the opposite.  I am quite happy for the many, many men who are happily married.  I am quite happy for the many men who I have helped to get married.

And I am VERY happy that I am able to date, meet, be involved with some of the most beautiful women in the world. 

So let's see, AmericanBoy is 28 subtract 15 and that gives 13 (sorry, I don't mean to be condescending but your basic arithmetic is perhaps a little poor). Is that the quality of the advice you normally give your clients Jack? 

ade, I had no idea what the age of American Boy was until just now when I read that you say he is 28.  Unlike you I just do not have the time to read every post on every thread.

I generally have time to read the last post's made on any thread, on occasion I am able to read posts a few days old on any of the threads that have a lot of posts.

Let me say for you ade since your a few bricks short of a full load,  at 28 American Boy is not the typical age of a man seeking a Rus/Ukr bride.   The average age for the younger men seeking a Rus/Ukr bride is 37.  Yes I have had a handful of young men in there 20's, I think 5 or 6, not many considering I have had about 3000 clients.  I had no idea the age of American Boy but just assumed he was of the average age of most men who were involved with this pursuit.

Knowing American Boy is 28 I would recommend he not seek any Rus/Ukr woman younger than 23.  23 is the age of maturity for most Rus/Ukr women.  One year out of the university now most of these young ladies are ready for marriage, family.  Some 22 year olds are mature enough for this but I would never recommend any younger age.

It's easy enough to go back and look at what the youngest age I have recommend for men, one can go back and see 1 year ago, 3 years ago, 5 -7 years ago I recommend 23 as the age of maturity and the youngest age a man should consider in a Rus/Ukr woman.  It's there, in black and white for all to see, including you, but of course you don't want to bring this up, you being the scum type person you are want to bring people down to your level.   ade, you can see, you can think about the 13 year old girls, I'll continue to recommend to men that 23 is the age of maturity for most Russian ladies. 

As much as Ade has been a bit too critical here and there, with this he is spot-on.

This should be interesting, PLEASE Shadow, will you tell me, tell us, what ade is spot on with?  Please.

I doubt Jack yout the time to actually read up on the age of AmericanBoy before suggesting him anything up to a 15 year age difference.

I would always recommend no more than a 15 years age difference for men who want the best chances of a long lasting happy marriage. And 15 years is pushing it.   I think a 10-12 year age difference even increases the chances of that long lasting, happy marriage.   I had no idea the age of American Boy until a few minutes ago.   Anyone who thinks I would be recommending any man to seek a 13 year old girl is probably of the same mentality of ade.

Probably for the best. However, much of Jacks posts reeks of ulterior motive  ;

FP,  just as I asked Shadow to please go into more details, I would like to ask you the same.

From the previous post I wrote that I felt men would be more successful with seeking women within a 15 year age limit or less, and that a 10-12 year age difference was quite common.

If this is what I wrote that you are saying reeks of ulterior motive could you please explain how you, in your mind, see expressing my opinion on this age difference reeks of an ulterior motive.


The other thing I mentioned prior to my last post that you could be commenting on was me expressing my knowledge of the couple hundred married men I knew quite well only a few had time to particapate on Russian/Ukraine discussion forums.  These men had happy lives, they were raising familes, having weekend cookouts, doing things with their wifes.  Now as a happily married man as yourself who spends many hours each day on this site maybe you were bothered by this, would like to dampen my response by indicating ulterior motives.  So if it was my comment about how so very few happily married men that I knew had time to particapate on Russian/Ukraine forums could you please explain, in your mind, how these statements reeked of ulterior motives.

I will thank you and Shadow in advance for your replies.

[Shadow]

As Jack is so eager to know what I called spot-on, it is Ade calling him out on the 15 year advice. 
Jack if you do not have time to read a thread, better you stop from posting anything at all to avoid putting your foot in your mouth like you did this time. You may think you are clever enough to start a load of PM's and write tl;dr posts trying to get out of it, the bottom line is you just advised a 28 year old guy to go for a 15 year age gap.
Do not try that in Moldava.

[AmericanBoy]

You guys are so critical here. He was speaking in general based on what he recommends to his customers. Clearly he didn't mean to advise that I get with a 13 year old.

[Shadow]

You guys are so critical here. He was speaking in general based on what he recommends to his customers. Clearly he didn't mean to advise that I get with a 13 year old.

There is a place and time for everything. Posting random advice that has nothing to do with your thread is something even Jack has been around long enough not to do.
I know Jack good enough to be sure he would never really give such advice, and would rather give anyone who thinks about such things some well-meant slaps.
But he should at least have the courtesy to read something before putting in a commercial.

[Jack]

As Jack is so eager to know what I called spot-on

Yes Shadow, based on my seeing NOTHING of any intelligence written by ade, I was wondering what you saw intelligent wise that I did not.  And you did not disappoint me, as seeing your reply, I think I was quite correct when saying

 Anyone who thinks I would be recommending any man to seek a 13 year old girl is probably of the same mentality of ade.

it is Ade calling him out on the 15 year advice. 

Again,.....

 Anyone who thinks I would be recommending any man to seek a 13 year old girl is probably of the same mentality of ade.

..... and in this case I am 100% correct.

Jack if you do not have time to read a thread, better you stop from posting anything

Sorry Shadow, I will continue to do as I have done since RWD's first day in operation.  I do not have time to read all post's, all threads.  I will continue to read post's from those men who I think I can help or that i can learn from and pretty much skip those post's of individuals who I think offer nothing of value education wise  (like you)  unless I happen to read over them if they are close by to post's i do read.

to avoid putting your foot in your mouth like you did this time.

I think it's quite obvious to most the readers here who has put there paw in there mouth by the claiming of ade being "spot on" to  anything he wrote.

You may think you are clever enough to start a load of PM's

Now your beginning to sound like ade, speaking out your arse.   So since when is writing ONE pm a load?  It appears to me you are again, as you are so often, mistaken.

I thought a load would be more than two, wouldn't you.   I wrote ONE pm, not aload.   ONE pm Shadow to you because I wanted to make sure you saw my request.  What on earth you could possiably see that ade wrote that was  "spot on".   You did not disappoint me.

the bottom line is you just advised a 28 year old guy to go for a 15 year age gap.

Again Shadow I will point to the quote below.   

 Anyone who thinks I would be recommending any man to seek a 13 year old girl is probably of the same mentality of ade.

[Faux Pas]

FP,  just as I asked Shadow to please go into more details, I would like to ask you the same.

From the previous post I wrote that I felt men would be more successful with seeking women within a 15 year age limit or less, and that a 10-12 year age difference was quite common.

If this is what I wrote that you are saying reeks of ulterior motive could you please explain how you, in your mind, see expressing my opinion on this age difference reeks of an ulterior motive.


The other thing I mentioned prior to my last post that you could be commenting on was me expressing my knowledge of the couple hundred married men I knew quite well only a few had time to particapate on Russian/Ukraine discussion forums.  These men had happy lives, they were raising familes, having weekend cookouts, doing things with their wifes.  Now as a happily married man as yourself who spends many hours each day on this site maybe you were bothered by this, would like to dampen my response by indicating ulterior motives.  So if it was my comment about how so very few happily married men that I knew had time to particapate on Russian/Ukraine forums could you please explain, in your mind, how these statements reeked of ulterior motives.

I will thank you and Shadow in advance for your replies.

Jack, that wasn't an invitation for you to open up a pissing contest with me. I don't have a dog in this hunt. Based on your insistence and at the risk of further side tracking AB's thread I will quickly tell you this. You perpetuate and sell age gap. It is your bread and butter and ulterior motive. Spewing advice and selling your wares on impertinent threads is bad enough but your doing it while recommending 15 year gaps. Right, wrong or indifferent makes difference to me. To each their own. You did advise AB to go 15 years. If you had even read the thread you'd have know how stupid that advice is. Let's not let a little thing like facts get in the way of your perpetual billboard. After all, you do have to make a living don't you?

[Ade]

Hi Jack,


glad you could find the time to respond; I know that many times, divorced single guys like you can be so busy partying or looking for the next girl to sleep with that they don't get much chance to post or, as in your case, promote your business, so I appreciate the time you must have taken to write this. 


I'll try to respond to as much as I can but as I'm in work today, I'll have to write it between other stuff I'm doing and I may have to be a little selective in the points I reply to.

calmissle I have no problem responding to Ade.   In the overall scope of things I think those with a vast amount of knowledge who share this forum are somewhat obligated in sharing their information, voicing their opinion, helping others.

Or promoting their business, right? As far as I understand it, one of the reasons that commercial members with a vested interest in the MOB business get a "commercial member" tag is to highlight the fact that you do, really, have a vested interest and members should be way more skeptical about the advice given by such members. Primarily because of the risk that you'll say just about anything to anyone, including what they want to hear, just to make a buck, right?

Over the years I have become friends with 6 men who wrote one, met one and married the only Russian woman they ever meet.  In talking with these 6 men over the last several years at various times each and every one said the same thing to me in confidence.  Based on this 6 for 6 same feelings, almost word for word same comment, I have to think this is very common with most men who wrote one, met one and married the only Russian woman they ever met is quite high.


Of course I won't mention any names with two of these men being RWD members. One guy still posts on RWD, one has not posted here for several years although he and I still communicate.  Some of the old timers here will very well remember this man, he was well liked and quite a character.

So what was this one thing these 6 men all said that was common amongst them? 

When discussing how life was going, how the marriage was going, each man would say things are going fine, the marriage is doing well. Then each would say, in a very low voice and I imagined they looked over their shoulder and made sure no one was close by as they spoke,..... "yes, everything is fine with the marriage Jack but if I had to do it all over again, I would have met a few more Russian women".   I think that is all I need to say regarding this.  Those comments from 6 men who wrote one, met one, married the only Russian women they ever met speak volumes.

Well, they do say that you know a man by the friends he keeps. I'm truly delighted not to count myself among them Jack. 


You also keep on getting your facts wrong, at least if you are referring to me, or perhaps your memory is failing as you are getting a little long in the tooth now, right? As an aside, I vaguely remember reading about research which indicates that married men tend to keep their wits about them longer, are much happier and live longer than you single guys.


Anyway, I've said before that I've met many FSU people, yes, women included, over the years. I worked and lived in Geneva area for quite some time you know, where there is a large population of highly educated and classy people from all over the world. Perhaps, given all the International Organisations including the U.N., CERN, and WHO to name but 3, there are few other places with such a dense population of brilliant individuals from such a diverse variety of countries in such a small area.


Now, unlike some guys who are only obsessed with FSU women, I dated women that I liked no matter where they were from; you know, as an ex-pat, all the women I dated were foreigners. The fact that my awesome wife happens to be Russian is neither here nor there to me; she is the last woman that I dated, not the first Russian. I also didn't go hunting around for women in the FSU; I really had no need to, and I especially had no need to go to sleazy-looking hook up parties hunting for a wife.


Perhaps you're not able to understand the distinctions I'm making though but that's okay; I understand that some people are cognitively less able and they have my sympathies.

ahhhh, well we see right from the very start you are incorrect.  Most of the guy's I know do not attend my parties.  Although I do three tours a year,  everyday of the week I am helping men on what we call "individual tours".  I probably help some 150 men a year on individual tours and of course these guys are not attending any parties.   Again, a great example as to your overall lack of knowledge as to what you are talking about.

150 individual tours? That's quite a lot Jack, and 3 big tours too? Hard to believe that you still have time to post on forums and give "advice". I'm impressed. What kind of advice do you give these individuals then? Hopefully it's along the lines of, "how not to do it like I did"?

My parties ade were designed as a result of me being offended by how I saw the large agencies were treating the women who attended. 

Well, there's some "commercial member" spin for you. And all the sleazy-looking stuff is all down to the "classy" women you invite then?

Most women never met a single man at these events.  Very few of the women met all the men.  The women having to stand, no place to sit.    Not at my parties.   The women being given one ticket for one drink.  And no food.   Again, not at my parties. At my parties the women are given food, the women can drink juice, Champaign, the women are given a place to sit.    And 15 women to one man?  10 women to one man?  How disrespectful to these fine women.    My parties have a ratio of 5 women to every man.  Every woman meets every man.  Every woman is treated with respect.

So 15 and 10 women to 1 man is "disrespectful", but 5 to 1 is somehow "respectful". Interesting take on that. Where, exactly, is the line between "respectful" and "disrespectful" then? 5, 6, 9? And I see that by your standards these women are "fine". That's good to know. Of course, others think that "fine" and classy women would have too much self esteem to be seen dead in a 5 to 1 meat market MOB party, but hey, horses for courses.

So when you mention sleazy party, just goes to show, as I think I have done a very good job of presenting to the masses, you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Now I know you have issues sometimes with accuracy so let's backtrack a little; I said, "sleazy-looking". You see, I don't know if they really are as sleazy as they seem as I haven't been on one of your tours and never would to be honest. Some of us don't need our hand held and know that classy women are unlikely to be found on such tours. I will admit that there's probably a small chance a man could find one though, perhaps those that would find their way there, mistakenly thinking that it was a classy arrangement? Who knows, right?

Far from being a truthful statement.  Unlike you ade, my clients are educated as to the pursuit for a Russian bride.  The number one profession of most my clients are (1)  doctors, (2) lawyers, (3) pilots, (4) business owners.

Well, I won't call you a liar Jack. I've always said, you can find silly people in any profession; I've met enough idiots with PhDs in my own after all. But, on the other hand, you can always find people that claim to be in one profession or another too.

On the upcoming trip we have 2 doctors, 1 lawyer, 2 pilots.   I think these men are considerably more intelligent than you are. 

Interesting perspective. You rank people's intelligence by the job they do? And where does that put you, as a party organizer, then?

But then again, another great example of you speaking out your arse and not knowing what you are talking about.

Yes, I guess the "eloquence" of that comment tells the rest of us enough to rank your intelligence.

Sure ade!   Again, a great example of someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about.  Doctors, pilots   (we won't address lawyers)  not able to string two words together?   Sure ade, only in your dream world.

Jack, you see, you're showing again that you don't read what is written. Or perhaps I was a little optimistic about your comprehension skills, but here is the relevant part of my post again, please think hard about the bolded bit;

Assuming the question is not rhetorical, let me take a wild stab at that; most of the guys you know are the guys that came to your MOB parties, and, generally (sorry, have to generalize a little here), the guys that are interested in your sleazy-looking parties may very well be one or more of the following 1) not that interested in intelligent discourse, 2) have problems with stringing two words together, 3) are a little ashamed to admit they were in one of your parties let alone met their wives there 4) they are too busy fending off their "hot tempered" women in court.

I'm guessing your "Doctors" and "Pilots" would be the types that fall into #3 on my list. But I'm just guessing. Perhaps there's another category they fit into that I didn't list?

I do not think any of our men attending our parties were ashamed of being there.  I have spoken with men who have attended our parties who also attended parties of AFA, Anastasia, who have expressed many things they did not like about those parties and how my parties, tours, were so much different and respectful of the women.

Yes, I'm sure some of those men have no shame.

But to a degree I have seen a great number of men who have found a MOB to not talk about this in general.  Not just men associated with my agency, but all men in general, no matter if they found there bride thru an agency, thru EM, thru a newspaper ad, thru Anastasia or mamba.  To a degree I have found a great number of men, a high percentage of men, who generally do not talk about finding there bride thru anything related to the MOB industry.

Especially when they met on "parties and tours", right? Funny thing, we know a number of couples that met through EM and they are quite open about it.

Again, someone who does not know what he is talking about.

Today in USA, in Russia, in Ukraine, where there is about a 50% divorce rate for all marriages, I am proud that my marriages over two years old are at an 78.8 percentage mark.  Up until about three years ago I was at or a little over 80%.

There's that commercial member spin again.

In reality ade a man using my services actually had a higher percentage of NOT seeing his woman in court.   But I know, this is not what you want presented, would take away from the ugly picture you would like to paint.

So you sprinkle magic anti-divorce fairy dust over the prospective couples that marry after a few weeks of face time. Is that right? Why is it that it didn't help you then I wonder?

And look at the greatest match maker of them all, eduard.   At last count that I was aware of, 38 marriages and NOT a single divorce.   100% of every couple eduard has brought together has stayed married.

I was waiting for the trademarked stab at the competitor you so despise.

eduard at 100%, me at 78.8%,  in countries where 50% is the norm?    Again ade, showing you don't know what you are talking about.

I know, I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.   

Yes, you are.

ade, I am the happiest I have even been in my life!   I am living a dream. I'm afraid someone is going to pinch me and I wake up from this dream.   I don't want to be married?   ade I could find a wife on every trip.  I have some fine ladies now who would like to marry me.  I do not have it in my heart to be married.  I have no interest in being married.   I enjoy meeting, seeing, many new and old friends.   

Anyone can screw around with promiscuous women Jack, but most men grow up in their twenties and are then able to sustain a loving relationship with a wife. And you should know, it's a lot more difficult to find someone you want to spend the rest of your life with compared to someone you just want to spend the rest of the night with. I'd also say that any man with a Western passport and a bunch of cash can find droves of women that would claim to want to marry him, at least for a short while.


Seems to me like you're not exactly well suited to advise men on marriage when you are unable to find someone you want to commit to yourself even if you meet so many women. But what do I know, right? I'm just married, and very happily so. I guess my view is biased because of that.

I am probably one of the happiest men in the world today. Ask anyone who knows me or has met me.  Based on the fact you are a "happily married man" who spends hours a day on this site, I am quite sure I am a lot happier with my life than you are yours.

Someone got curious at your comment and looked up that stats, which they PMed me. Apparently, my "hours a day" averaged out to around 20 mins. Hard to believe isn't it, especially as my job as a computer jockey keeps me online most days. I would have guessed more. Still, my wife and I have a good chuckle in the evenings together at some of the daft things that men like you say on these forums. It's cheap entertainment I know, but we aren't fussy.
 

Well ade I guess it could be very subjective in describing what is a failed marriage.  I spent 7 wonderful, happy years of my life with a Russian woman. Maybe in your dismal world a divorce after 7 years would be a failed marriage but for Natalia and myself we had a very happy, wonderful 7 years of being together. 

This is the woman that you married that wanted kids but you didn't and eventually she left so she could have some, right? Is that the marital advice you generally give to your party clients then? Marry someone young that wants kids, probably will or is not sure even if you, yourself don't want any?

Even today we still see each other, still love and care for each other.  I do not know of many ex marriages where so much love and care still exist.  You can call this a failed marriage because I think this is the type mentality you have. 

Actually I think marriage is a life long commitment that I don't take lightly. I certainly wouldn't marry someone just to have a bed partner, and I wouldn't be so dumb, selfish or short sighted enough to marry someone with such different life goals to me.

Life is short.  Any man or woman who can enjoy life to the fullest in 6 or 7 or 8 year time spans, and really enjoy life, I think are extremely lucky people.  I do consider myself one of the luckiest men alive today.  And when I die my family will know, and I want my  friends to know I died being a very happy man and living the most fullest of life.

Well, I'm happy for you. Seems like you spend a lot of time justifying that a bit too much so please don't get upset when I doubt that, particularly when you spend so much time on the net posting such lengthy posts.

As far as how many relationships I have had.  Well, we won't be able to put a number on that until I die as my relationships are still a part of my life and are all quite wonderful.   

I'm sure you have many, many, many relationships with the women that go to these parties. But I'm curious, how many of your clients get second dibs after you've had your "relationship"?

Unlike you ade, who met one Russian woman, I have met thousands of Russian/Ukraine ladies.

Unlike you Jack, I've met many thousands of women from all over the world while living and working in various countries, and you know what? My wife was the best match I found. It took many years and a false start, but I found her in the end. I hope that one day you'll be lucky enough to experience meeting someone, not only wonderful, but also a total fit for who you are.

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Sorry, just had to cut out that commercial member spin and promotion there.

Few?  I know of no man who claims they know how all Russian women think.  I know a lot about Russian women, probably 100 times more than you, but I don't come close to knowing how all Russian women think.

But you claim to know more than me even though you're not married and don't want to be married (so you say). It seems that you don't even have the same mindset as those that are paying your for parties, unless they also don't want to get married and are looking for something else.   I wonder if you'd even be so arrogant as to claim to know more about Russian women than my Russian wife? She also doesn't think much of you, you know? How about the other FSUW here that have a very low opinion of you? I guess you'll find some justification why they "know less than you about Russian women", right?

ade, I had no idea what the age of American Boy was until just now when I read that you say he is 28.  Unlike you I just do not have the time to read every post on every thread.

So you give advice without knowing all the facts? Is that what you do with your clients? My guess is though, it's not time you are short of, it's just that you can't be bothered. Certainly, if you have the time to write such an incredibly rambling, long drawn out post, you have time to read a few of the posts of the OP and get informed before you start writing.

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Sorry Jack, I'm getting short of time and patience so I removed all remaining waffle. If it's any consolation, there wasn't much substance there to respond to anyway.


You have a good day now. 

[AmericanBoy]

ugh. I didn't bother reading all that but someone, please get all that bullshit off my thread.

[Ade]

ugh. I didn't bother reading all that but someone, please get all that bullshit off my thread.

I happen to agree that all these off topic posts should be split off - NHB sounds appropriate.

[Muzh]

LMFAO