Prostitution in Ukraine - Caution!

[calmissile]

While in Kharkiv and Lviv the number of HIV-positive sex workers is minimal, in Kyiv and Donetsk about 30 percent of prostitutes live with this deadly virus.


Sociologist Olha Balakireva estimates the number of prostitutes in Ukraine at 50,000, including 10,000 in Kyiv. This figure may vary as some women work only during the summer.


About 30 percent of sex workers are addicted to drugs, she said, leading to another risk for fans planning to use their services – infection with HIV.



http://www.kyivpost.com/news/euro2012/fan_guide/detail/126317/

[Muzh]

Why caution? Every guy here is going there to meet his future wife. 

[Shadow]

Why caution? Every guy here is going there to meet his future wife. 

However very few wish to know what she really did before 

[alex330]

The HIV infection rate in Ukraine and Russia is approaching that of Africa in it's early growth period. It is an epidemic.
I posted the stats in another thread. There are documentaries on youtube filmed in Odessa with the sex workers and street kids. Very sad.

[Muzh]

However very few wish to know what she really did before 

O-U-C-H

[Mander]

I think its best to keep it safe and when it gets serious, have her do a test. I'm not sure if that would be problematic to ask at that point.
Thoughts?

Overall UA women seem pretty practical. But maybe I'm too much of a n00b to know.

[Badabing]

Why caution? Every guy here is going there to meet his future wife. 

Statistically speaking, around 50% of the guys here will be going there to meet their future ex-wife

[Kuna]

Statistically speaking, around 50% of the guys here will be going there to meet their future ex-wife

I detect an attitude problem with you...  it'll be interesting to watch your search.


Folks... 

I'd be prepared to have a silent bet on Badabing.  I'll predict what I think will happen and we'll leave that prediction with a third party (So Badabing doesn't know what the bet is).

We can bet on whether that comes true or not.

[tfcrew]

Statistically speaking, around 50% of the guys here will be going there to meet their future ex-wife

I know that saying, but actually, foreign marriages [from all international spouses] do fair far much better than that.
This is from visajourney....
 

An exerpt:
 
 "According to data supplied by the U.S. Census Bureau, there were
 2,395,000 marriages in the U.S. in the 12 months ending June, 1997 (and
 1,154,000 divorces in the same period). The 4,000 to 6,000 marriages
 involving international services represent, then, a tiny portion (.021
 percent) of the women who marry U.S. men.
 
 It is interesting to note that, based largely on data provided by the
 agencies themselves (along with the Commission on Filipinos Overseas
 report cited above), marriages arranged through these services would
 appear to have a much lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole,
 fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for
 which reports are available."
 
 Overall it is a good read if this subject interests you.  Personally I believe lots of marriages are rushed because of the K1 process, and I am sure is a contributing factor to failure of the marriage.  I realize you were not speaking of these types of marriages specificaly, but anyway... I am sure it is part of what you are eluding to.
  This post has been edited by Chuckles: 25 June 2006 - 08:09 AM

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/19180-what-is-the-divorce-rate-among-international-marriages/

 

[Badabing]

I detect an attitude problem with you...  it'll be interesting to watch your search.


Folks... 

I'd be prepared to have a silent bet on Badabing.  I'll predict what I think will happen and we'll leave that prediction with a third party (So Badabing doesn't know what the bet is).

We can bet on whether that comes true or not.

Kuna, you don't know me and I don't know you. But I can sense what your bet is and I know deep
down you will lose, and you will lose big time bubba.

I am not predetermined and much less on an negative attitude as you predict. I am being realistic based on true facts of failed marriages overall. Don't jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts, you are the one calling defeat before the battle starts.

[Kuna]

Kuna, you don't know me and I don't know you. But I can sense what your bet is and I know deep
down you will lose, and you will lose big time bubba.

I am not predetermined and much less on an negative attitude as you predict. I am being realistic based on true facts of failed marriages overall. Don't jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts, you are the one calling defeat before the battle starts.

You can't take the bet because you'd be the subject of the bet.   

The outcome I predict isn't necessarily bad - or good -     but you're attitude will define all!

[Badabing]

Loosen up dude...I was only being funny. I use the " future ex-wife" term all the time as a joke with my friends and brothers. Is there room for jokes on this forum or is everybody a tight a55?

[Kuna]

Loosen up dude...I was only being funny. I use the " future ex-wife" term all the time as a joke with my friends and brothers. Is there room for jokes on this forum or is everybody a tight a55?

I have the misfortune of reading your comments in two different threads at the same time... it paints a more complete picture.

I know you're not understanding what I'm trying to tell you so how about you do this...

Go over to rivardco's TR and then skip back into some of his old posts (years ago) to see what his opinions and behaviours have been like over the past few years, and then read through his TR.

You will see someone who's always been a good guy but not ready for anything serious turn into someone who wasn't just ready to get serious...  but DID get serious... and therefore deserved to find something exceptional.

You can and should have fun on this journey... but I don't think you're just having fun...  I think you're probably not ready.

btw...  we have seen some guys come in here who were clearly not ready to find something valuable and some of them have gone through change and eventually found what they wanted...  You're not going to change if people just p!ss in your pocket.

[ECOCKS]

Loosen up dude...I was only being funny. I use the " future ex-wife" term all the time as a joke with my friends and brothers. Is there room for jokes on this forum or is everybody a tight a55?

The lessons begin to take hold........

[GQBlues]

 

I know that saying, but actually, foreign marriages [from all international spouses] do fair far much better than that.
This is from visajourney....
 
http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/19180-what-is-the-divorce-rate-among-international-marriages/

I think it's very difficult to make an accurate accounting of the overall marriages/divorces between foreigners married to US citizens. I emphasize on overall because it appears the 'study' was done mainly involving K-marriages from the Philippines. The majority of those marriages are between Filipino/nas-Americans and Filipinos/nas, which mostly mean these are religiously compatible couples ~ devout Catholics. Divorce is rarely a consideration. Moreover, IIRC, divorce is illegal in the Philippines (not sure if that law is still in effect today).

For anyone to project these unions as representative of the MOB as a whole is just not kosher or advisable.

[ECOCKS]

I think it's very difficult to make an accurate accounting of the overall marriages/divorces between foreigners married to US citizens. I emphasize on overall because it appears the 'study' was done mainly involving K-marriages from the Philippines. The majority of those marriages are between Filipino/nas-Americans and Filipinos/nas, which mostly mean these are religiously compatible couples ~ devout Catholics. Divorce is rarely a consideration. Moreover, IIRC, divorce is illegal in the Philippines (not sure if that law is still in effect today).

For anyone to project these unions as representative of the MOB as a whole is just not kosher.

True that. Also a lot are between 2/3 gen Filipinos and friends of relatives back home, same culture and then there are the military ones although those have dropped off a bit since the US Navy and Marines pulled out of there.

In truth, I suspect that there is little difference in the divorce rates. My estimate is that it is higher than 50% which is also in line with the divorce rate among those on their second, third, etc. marriages.

[BC]

The best info available:

http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p15.html

Complete survey results here http://www.goodwife.com/survey/xcultural_p01.html

[ECOCKS]

While goodwife is interesting data for the group it represents, it's not a scientifically selected group that can be considered representative of all cross-cultural relationships.

Biased groups lead to biased results unless you keep them in context.

[BC]

While goodwife is interesting data for the group it represents, it's not a scientifically selected group that can be considered representative of all cross-cultural relationships.

Biased groups lead to biased results unless you keep them in context.

Well its the best around and stastically valid.  Until someone pops up with another more extensive survey showing other results its quite valid.

[ECOCKS]

Well its the best around and stastically valid.  Until someone pops up with another more extensive survey showing other results its quite valid.

Not in this context.

It is what it is, no more no less.

A good indication of the attitudes and outcomes of people involved in this venture who are on this board and PL. Interesting but not more than a general indicator to the overall situation.

[Admin]

Not in this context.

It is what it is, no more no less.

A good indication of the attitudes and outcomes of people involved in this venture who are on this board and PL. Interesting but not more than a general indicator to the overall situation.

>>A good indication of the attitudes and outcomes of people involved in this venture who are on this board and PL.<<

Not hardly. You missed the part about the 'reach' of the survey - the awareness campaign went to more than a quarter million people. It was far beyond just those "on this board and PL."

There is no doubt that it is the most valid study (perhaps ONLY valid study) of its sort ever conducted and vastly more "representative" than individual opinion.

- Dan

[ECOCKS]

Okay, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.