Russia is HELL! Women are desperate to get out!

[calmissile]

Hey, how about those happily married RW who do not think America is the greatest place on Earth?
You see, we have a point of comparison, having actually experienced a different system. You don't.
And America is falling behind many other places on waaaay too many points!

And the door is open both ways!   You can take advantage of it anytime you like. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

And the door is open both ways!   You can take advantage of it anytime you like. 

She also has the right to complain about the stuff she doesn't like.  Something about Freedom of Speech and all that.

[newjason]

It is entirelly up to you!  We are not going to kiss your ass any longer!  If you want a man that will love you and be faithfull to you then you need to get off your high horse and accept what is waiting for you.   If you have unrealistic visions of grandure then you might be dissapointed.  USA men expect a women to be a contributor to the family and not a couch potatoe sitting on her ass watching Opra, while he is hard at work.   It seems that a lot of FSU women expect that their American men are going to support them while they do very little to contribute to the family.
Not going to happen!!!!   We have American women that would like to sit on their asses and do nothing but eat bon bons and watch TV all day.   I am looking for a FSU wife that will convert me into a healthy eating habit and make my life fun and full of activity.  I do not want to ever get old and a younger FSU women of the right mental frame will make it happen.

calmissile?

Did they just defrost you?

please tell me you are joking.

[calmissile]

Of course, but it stimulates the FSU women to respond.   

[pitbull]

Of course, but it stimulates the FSU women to respond.   

Yeah, that's what you'll be saying to your future wife at every disagreement!
Here is free advice for you: obviously your strategy is to buy a young wife from a "3rd world country" with your blue passport and then expect eternal gratefulness and an additional income for that. It doesn't work this way! If you don't base marriage on real feelings and treat her as equal, maximum you'll get 2 years out of her. You are clearly heading to being a train wreck at the ripe old age of over 70!
Actually you should be probably posted at Antidate, I would personally hate to see my "FSUW sister" step into  "that" 

[Misha]

Long story short I placed an ad for her on a site and I've been reading what AM are writing to her.

Ed, you should have told us what site. Was it a site such as Match.com or eHarmony or some other for Americans to seek local women? Or was it a site such as EM? This is important to  know as the mindset of the American (and Canadian) men would be much different as well as their questions.

[Eduard]

Ok, John, you are right: Putin is bad, Gorbachev is great politician, etc.
You mentioned young and educated, this is a famous flash mob that took place in front of Moscow State University in February, 2012. The participants are Russian students.
Te flash mob was supposed to be the opposite to Anti-Putin meeting that took place in another part of the city on that day , so the students protested against the protesters:)


Both parts got prepared well on that day

And yeah, KBG forced them to do that: you can see fear on their faces

yup, them flash mobs are getting totally out of hand in Russia! 

[calmissile]

Hopefully your "FSU Sister" is nothing like you!   You seem critical of everythig in the USA you have received.   I do not expect a 'slave', just someone that accepts the American culure and is willing to adapt to it.   Dont forget, since you are critical of just about everything we have to offer you, the door swings both ways.

Don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave!

[pitbull]

Hopefully your "FSU Sister" is nothing like you!   You seem critical of everythig in the USA you have received.   I do not expect a 'slave', just someone that accepts the American culure and is willing to adapt to it.   Dont forget, since you are critical of just about everything we have to offer you, the door swings both ways.

Don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave!

Hmmm... how do you know I'm critical of everything? There many things I love! You haven't offered me anything, honey! Everything I've achieved is through my own work and talent. In fact I believe "you" are lucky to have me and I'm an asset America has received and should be grateful for! 
While looks like you are rather a ballast, sorry 

[Misha]

I do not expect a 'slave', just someone that accepts the American culure and is willing to adapt to it.   

As others have pointed out, you may not be ready for the culture shock that awaits should you get married and should the woman relocate. The first year can be very hellish, and during the worst of it, everything will be seen as the person going though culture shock as worse than in their home country. After culture shock, the new immigrant will come to have a more balanced view of both countries, accepting the good and not so good in both. However, there will still be things considered better back home. I will be the first to say that there are many things in Russia that I miss and that I find better than in Canada, things that have nothing to do with women and dating women.

[Eduard]

Ed, you should have told us what site. Was it a site such as Match.com or eHarmony or some other for Americans to seek local women? Or was it a site such as EM? This is important to  know as the mindset of the American (and Canadian) men would be much different as well as their questions.

It's an American site but the ad cleary states that she lives in Russia

[Eduard]

As others have pointed out, you may not be ready for the culture shock that awaits should you get married and should the woman relocate. The first year can be very hellish, and during the worst of it, everything will be seen as the person going though culture shock as worse than in their home country. After culture shock, the new immigrant will come to have a more balanced view of both countries, accepting the good and not so good in both. However, there will still be things considered better back home. I will be the first to say that there are many things in Russia that I miss and that I find better than in Canada, things that have nothing to do with women and dating women.

Well said, Misha. I agree with this.

[Eduard]

Shadow, don't waste your breath. Calmissile actually got lost- the thread about AM using their citizenship as an advantage is open by Ed. I just reminded him (Ed) that he sort of did same (with some twist).
 I just " stepped on a favorite blister"

You are wrong, Doll. My US citizenship didn't play any role in our relationship. In fact she would have rather stayed in Russia where she could be closer to her family and had me move there to be with her. My wife likes it here now, better than in Russia in fact, but it took a few years of living here and adjusting for her to feel this way. The fact that we live in Florida not far from the Gulf of Mexico doesn't hurt either.

[Misha]

It's an American site but the ad cleary states that she lives in Russia

Under these circumstances, it would be normal for the men to ask whether she want to emigrate. Why would men on an American site otherwise want to even start communicating with a woman on a dating site who does not want to move.

[calmissile]

Misha
I accept your explanation and have no issues with your descripton of the culture shock that a FSU woman will experience.   I had already prepared for it in my former G/F finance.   I do not expect miracles.  I am more than willing to provide 100% support in every way to a wife that is willing to become my wife and become an American in culture and language.

 What I will not support is a whining bitch that constantly reminds me of how much better it was in her 3rd world country.  You have no idea of what I have done for ladies of the US that are genuine and appreciate a real man.  You can laugh and make jokes, but it is real.  My reason for searching the FSU was because it is a mystery. 

I had never been out of the USA, except Canada and Japan.  I never tried dating on line with USA women.   Probably a big mistake on my part.   No doubt there are suitable women here that I never had the opportunity to meet.

A man my age has an interesting choice.... to invite women over for the weekend, or to try and find true love for a lifetime commitment.  Women for a weekend are no problem in the US.  They are not prostitutes, just want some company for a weekend.  It is not bad.  They are very sexual and do not expect you to be crawling at their doorstep the next day.

What is missing is the love and companionship that makes for a lifetime relationship that is 'Until death do us part".

I stil have G/F from High School and College that want to get together again.  If I did not respect them then, why do I want to see them now?  Most of them have grey hair and look like shit!  Sorry, I would rather accomodate the weekenders.   

Somehow, some of the posters live in a virtual world that has no reality to the real world.   Men are men and we have not changed much since Adam and Eve.   We want to be nurtured when we need it and we are nurturing when our mate needs it.  When two people live with each other, they make whatever compromises are necessary to make the union satisfactory.   Equality is bullshit!  If both parties are happy with each other and their living arangement then what ever anyone else thinks does not mater.

[Misha]

What I will not support is a whining bitch that constantly reminds me of how much better it was in her 3rd world country.  You have no idea of what I have done for ladies of the US that are genuine and appreciate a real man.  You can laugh and make jokes, but it is real.

I am not laughing, not making jokes, but simply telling you the truth. Odds are quite good that if a woman moves to a new country, there will be a period of a few weeks, perhaps even many months, when she will not be very happy and given that you have to play the role of family, friend, and pretty much everybody else, you will be the one that she will share her unhappiness with on a daily basis. You have to be prepared to accept this. Remember, she will be leaving all her friends and family behind to be with you and only you. She will therefore rightfully expect that you will listen to her when she has a need to vent or simply talk to someone. If this is something that you are not ready to do, then I have to respectfully suggest that you think really long and really hard about your plans to marry a woman from another country.

[Eduard]

Well, obviously calmissile is mentally frozen somewhere in the sixties, and does sincerely believe America is the greatest place on Earth, and has the greatest everything! I can totally see the younger FSUW's fate if she marries him: "You should be grateful for the chance I gave you to live in the greatest country in the world! Now go work, cook and then kiss my feet! Or I'll send you back to your 3rd world country!!!" 

Thank you, Pitbull. This is exactly the attitude that I personally find wrong and offensive in a way, hence the reason for this thread.
Doug (Calmissile), you are an intelligent, smart man with a good heart, but IMO you are missing the point and going the wrong way about your search for a wife. I wasn't even thinking of you when I created this thread. I was just frustrated with so many AM writing to my wife's friend with the mindset that Pitbull described in her post.


My whole point is that the 2 people must connect on many different levels in order for a relationship to work WITHOUT the sales point of "better life in a better country" injected into the equation. I'm not naive and I do realise that women, by nature are going to be interested in security and that a lifestyle does matter, yet it shouldn't be the #1 "sales point" when you are trying to meet an FSU woman. #1 point should be YOU, who you are, your intelligence, your whit and sense of humor, the way you look and the way you act and the way you write letters. The lifestyle you can offer to a woman should only come into play after a woman is really attracted to you for the man you are, when you are trying to convince her to leave everything behind, marry you and come to your country to be with you. If you would be open to live part of the year in her country and the other part in the US (as in Mendeleyev's case) that would even be better for many women.


As for men who are searching for FSU women who "want to come to America" this is exactly what they will find - women who want to come to America, and the guy is going to be secondary (if that). Once here she will quickly adopt, look aroud, assess the situation and move on to "bigger and better" things.
Doug, if I were you I would at least consider what I'm trying to tell you here. You know that I was correct in my assessment of the situation in the passed. I think you are heading toward the next train wreck unless you rethink your approach to your search.


Doug, I like you and I think you are a good man so I would prefer if you took this as an advice from your friend instead of getting mad at me, but I think that your phylosophy on the whole AM+RW relationship thing needs an adjustment.

[Eduard]

I am not laughing, not making jokes, but simply telling you the truth. Odds are quite good that if a woman moves to a new country, there will be a period of a few weeks, perhaps even many months, when she will not be very happy and given that you have to play the role of family, friend, and pretty much everybody else, you will be the one that she will share her unhappiness with on a daily basis. You have to be prepared to accept this. Remember, she will be leaving all her friends and family behind to be with you and only you. She will therefore rightfully expect that you will listen to her when she has a need to vent or simply talk to someone. If this is something that you are not ready to do, then I have to respectfully suggest that you think really long and really hard about your plans to marry a woman from another country.

+1

[Eduard]

  I never tried dating on line with USA women.   Probably a big mistake on my part.   No doubt there are suitable women here that I never had the opportunity to meet.

A man my age has an interesting choice....

Doug, I think that not exploring local women options is a mistake for you. If you are open to women who are around age 50 you should have plenty of choices of wonderful American women who's husbands either died or left them for younger women or for other reasons. I think that it is most difficult to find a good match for American men in their late 30s to around 50 who are looking for younger, attractive, in shape women in the US. who can still have children. Since you are not concerned with that, I don't see why you couldn't find a really nice AW in her late 40s or 50s who will make you a great partner in life.

[Gator]

Every woman can follow a man to Paradise, but only a woman in love will follow him to Hell.

Clever twist of the Doll-Doug interchange.

[Gator]

I would really appreciate if someone can suggest some kind of jaw supporting headgear. It seems my jaw is keep dropping every time I read this forum

 
Perhaps Doug would suggest that you and the other RW have their lower jaw wired shut.     
 
Come on girls, don't you think Doug's bark is worse than his bite!  He talks big now, yet when he meets his special woman she will wrap him around her little finger.  His menacing growl will be replaced by the purrrrrr of a kitty cat. 

[Eduard]

Clever twist of the Doll-Doug interchange.

Yes, Shadow, that was a good one! I meant to comment but then got distructed by other posts.


Shadow: "Every woman can follow a man to Paradise, but only a woman in love will follow him to Hell."
 

[Muzh]

Tell me how many people left Russia the 90-ies, do you have any info about that?
I am just surprised about the following things:
-compare the average salary in Russia in 1999 and compare average salary in Russia now.
you will see more than 10 times' difference (inmprovement).
The 90-ies were like hell: revolutions, money defaults, high crime rate but according to you and those articles it looks like peope just loved Russia and stayed there and as soon as Putin became the president they just wanted out immediately: the quality of life as been  getting better, the borders are open, but people are just leaving the country anyway escaping from Putin, what are you talking about?!

Did you live in Russia in the 90-ies?! I lived both in 80-ies, 90ies and in Putin's and Medevedev's time. We haven't done better since Puin became the president: if you don't believe me put all economical and financial  data together. We are not doing perfect, but we are doing better than it was 10 years' ago. Russians always compain about everything: no matter how much you give to them, and they always complain about the leaders, so the fact that Russians complain about something doesn't mean that they are dissatisfied with something, they just don't want to scare the luck away People whine a lot about how hard their life is ut personally I don't know anyone who would vote for someone other than Putin or communists

In the 90-ies several Russian criminals also made a lot of money and became super rich oligarhs, now Putin is not letting them  make money that easily and those money kings are trying to push him off with the help of western organizations whining about KGB or somethng.

They also pay to all those  "protesting" organizations (when "bad Putin" actually allows them have those anti-Putin meetings, but those protesters start destroying other people's property or attack the police or go where hey didn't claim they would be ,  of course the police arrests them for that and all western newpapers write that anti-Putin meetings' protesters have been arrested by the police. They don't write why they had been arrested, they only mention that they have been arrested when they were having an anti-Putin meeting, blahblahblah. Nice.

I tend to agree with Vasilisa in some respect.
 
The middle class in Russia is growing to a point that it is almost around 30% of the population in Moscow. Not sure about the rest of the country but I would venture a guess of about the same percentage in the big cities. This means that they have no incentive to move anywhere. The exception may be with the applied science professionals that have much better opportunities in Western Europe and US. And IF this sector is improved, there is no way to tell how much it will increase but it will be definitely up.
 
Also, this middle class has become very vociferous as compared to when they started going up in standard of living. And this is where I will disagree with Vasilisa. There was an uproar from this same middle class when Putin announced he was taking over. They are not happy about this. Many were expecting real change as they did believe in the higher ups in the government would do the right thing. It seems Putin gave them a slap in the face.
 
So we'll see if there are going to be major changes. The scholars are hinting at a gradual decrease of Putin's vertical and he will have only six years to decrease this power vertical. If nothing is done soon, keep an eye open for serious unrest.

[Boethius]

When two people live with each other, they make whatever compromises are necessary to make the union satisfactory.   Equality is bullshit!  If both parties are happy with each other and their living arangement then what ever anyone else thinks does not mater.

I disagree, equality is not BS.  You cannot have a long term happy marriage if you do not view each other as equals. 

[Muzh]

Actually it is a different mindset from American men..   If you appreciate the effort we make to immigrate you to the USA, then you will appreciae what we have done for you and expect  the expections that we expect in return.  A fsu woman that expects the world to be kissing their ass because they are Ukrainain or Russian is over.   USA men have many options.  Whether to accept what is here in single women (poor and fat) or to look for women that respect thier appeance and want to look beautifil for their husbands.

I guess someone discovered the candy in the candy store. Mmm, big mistake.
 
Doug, let's accept the fact that you are an old man. The older men get, the crabbier and more mysoginist they get because the world is changing along with the women's attitudes and change is bad.
 
With that said, you'll be one of those 751 day guys in front of a judge. Mark my words. These women may talk with an accent but you are deluding yourself if you are assuming the they think with an accent.