When Will RWD Become Superfluous?

[Gator]

From another thread Russia is HELL! Women are desperate to get out!      started by  Eduard
 

 

How many years though do you think it will take for this board to become
superfluous?

Great question!
 
Dan would be the ideal person to answer your question because his experience is longer than mine and his vision wider.  He managed what was perhaps the first forum  for men meeting RW, in which it seemed posts were  limited to 25 words or less, frequently less. 
 
From my perspective,  we will have a RWD as long as AM perceive that pretty RW are interested in them and as long as America, Europe and Down Under offer opportunities, lifestyle and adventures not widely obtained in the FSU.  Adding to this is the unusual manner of meeting and dating RW, especially the immigration process.   It is totally unlike our prior experiences, and it makes it almost impossible to live with your RW before deciding to marry her.  This creates confusion and questions, for which answers are not readily available.  A forum is needed where one can seek advice and answers.
 
It will eventually become superfluous.  Just as German War Brides diminished, so will AM-RW marriages.  Before becoming superfluous, however, the face of RWD will change.  That already has happened.
 
Ten years ago (before RWD) I participated as a moderator in a board called RWG.   I recall few married men, and most of them had been married for just a couple of years or so.  In fact, the premier OMB (Old Married Bastard) JB has just married.. 
 
The advice was rather basic.  Most men used small full-service agencies.  There were many unscrupulous agencies, so guidance about agencies was a popular subject.  Today only Jack and Eduard participate from the commercial side.  Then we had more agency participation, two from the same small Russian city Tver where KenC and others met their wife.   One really helpful soul named Jet met his wife in a social platform rather than via an agency, and that was unusual.
 
There were many spirited discussions about whether a woman had sincere intentions.  Scams such as the one that nicked Dupe were prevalent.   Other ploys were Hidden Agenda (Using Man as a Mule), Vacation Whore, Good Time Girl, Gold Digger, Sick Grandmother, etc. Scams were everywhere.  Scams were all around.  And many men were  attempting to decide about marriage within one week of meeting his woman for the first time (hence the term, One Week Wonder).   
 
The trip reports started with long sections about the flights and connections as that was more of an issue then.  The same with apartments.  The correspondence period had its problems too.  Telephone connections were not always audible.  There was no Skype.  In fact few RW had daily access to email.   There were more tours and socials then with no correspondence.  Information about sightseeing was limited too.    Everything was more difficult 10 years ago.  This prompted the need for men to share their insights, issues and stories as a community. 
 
There were few RW posters then, and I recall Dona Pedro being one of the first.  The other men at RWG asked me to check her out, thinking she was an investigative reporter in disguise.     
 
Maxx had just been through the wringer over DV and divorce proceedings.  GQ joined the scene a year or two after me and wrote a more lyrical trip report than Rivardco's current T/R   Donna Pedro, GQ my future wife and ex-wife, and I met at a Moscow version of Chuckie Cheese with full-service bar (and GQ still owes me a beer).
 
So you can compare RWD today with that and see much change has already occurred.   It will continue to change before it becomes superfluous.  How will it change?   Perhaps younger people not interested in marriage such as AmericanBoy will take over.  Perhaps married couples will use it as a vehicle for staying in touch.   Perhaps RW will take over and men will run to the exit gates.

I am reminded of my own social fraternity from my university.  I went to a reunion recently, and I played golf with a man from a class 7 years after mine.  We asked him if he had heard of our infamous escapades.  He correctly replied that they started their own lore.  Yes, time moves on.  Nothing is constant except change.

[Daveman]

This is quite an excellent post, Gator.  There have been many changes in 'the scene' since I joined here five years ago.  I have no idea when/if these types of discussion venues will become superfluous, or even fluous.  But it sure has been one heck of a ride thus far...

[SteveOR]

 
Is the "Russian" part of "Russian Women Discusion" already superfluous?  Does anybody still go to Russia seeking a foreign bride?
 
I think that RWD may become superfluous (obsolete?) when Ukraine becomes part of the European Union.  Don't laugh, stranger things have happened.  Of course that is assuming that the EU still exists. . .

 

[ECOCKS]

It will be a decade at least, probably two, before Ukraine is seriously considered for EU admission.

It's like the fantasy that the visa-free status will be granted from the US or UK, a pipedream.

[Boethius]

It will be a decade at least, probably two, before Ukraine is seriously considered for EU admission.

I agree, Ed, and I have been saying that since before Yushchenko's presidency.  There is no benefit to the EU to admit Ukraine.  However, the one thing Ukraine does have going for it now is it has joined many EU programmes on transparency, something the Orangista thieves refused to do.  Now, all their money is locked in the country, and they have few ways to launder it abroad.

[BC]

IMHO in the beginning it was a 'grass is greener on the other side' thing, but as more and more FSUW acquired the ability to travel beyond their borders and report back home the brown patches became much more visible on both sides.  That process is ongoing.  Ditto for AM wandering FSU.

I doubt the realm will ever truly disappear but the 'pickins' will get mighty slim if it's not already the case.

11 years ago when I met my wife I hadn't even heard of scamming, agencies, socials etc.. Thoughts of visiting FSU was work related.  If someone mentioned the term MOB I would have thought of a riot or such, which upon reflection is really not that far off base..

[I/O]

A forum is needed where one can seek advice and answers.

Needed.......  

[TheTraveler]

enjoyed the post, gator!  thanks!

[Dave13]

Very good post!

[GQBlues]

Based strictly on the K-Visa numbers from 20-10 years ago vs. today, it's obvious things aren't what they used to be. So in short order, RWD I believe, in many ways, is already superfluous. This is speaking solely for US-based immigration numbers.


Marriage, for the most, is no longer a high priority for women, not only in the US or even UK, but seem to be creeping to Russia as well, at least those that are MOB-related. Traveling had been at the top of the priority list, at least for British women in this article...

http://living.msn.com/love-relationships/the-heart-beat-blog-post?post=ef0cdf66-4eb3-470c-a7ae-a887d3685522

Russians enjoy a seeming easier way to travel abroad, including the US, than they used to. So much of the 'foreign novelty' had mostly worn off. So if the number of MOB continue to dwindle as dramatically as they have in the recent past, then I do believe things will evolve as they often do in other things. Venues like RWD included.

i.e. notice now that there's a distinction between 'getting married' to 'having a family'.

[Anotherkiwi]

...i.e. notice now that there's a distinction between 'getting married' to 'having a family'.

Yes, but it has been explained many times that RW/UW don't necessarily mean "have babies" when their profiles says that they want to "create a family," in the same way that "greedy" in RW-speak doesn't mean the same as "greedy" in English.

[newjason]

  Yes, time moves on.  Nothing is constant except change.

True that Gator.

However I think there will always remain a few constants when it comes to human behaviour.

I hope for better or worse, that we do not loose those things  that make us what and who we are.

[chivo]

Marriage, for the most, is no longer a high priority for women, not only in the US or even UK, but seem to be creeping to Russia as well, at least those that are MOB-related.

No, marriage is still a very high priority for RW.

[chivo]

Nice post Gator, and to answer this question, well, I think as long as there is a forum and people with a need to be heard (or people with a need to hear themselves), it will be around.
 
 

[Turboguy]

Having been a member here for over 7 years one of my observations is that when I first joined it seemed like there were few married members and lots of members in the searching stage.  Now it seems that most of the members are married and the proportion of members who are looking is much smaller.
 
I enjoyed the recap of the past members that Gator provided.  Some of the early members who stand out in my mind are Tiger Paws who was married but when he was searching instead of going to the fsu he flew his cantidates to visit him in the caribbean where he lived on a boat.  I think the first women I recall was not an fsu woman but Momma D, of course there was Miss Sensuality who created quite a stir as well. 

[Chicagoguy]

Does anyone remember a long story by a guy named "Ranger" on RWD - a precussor to RWG. I kept a printed copy up until a few years ago. It was incredible.
And a lawyer from Boston who would send scamers a bogus Western Union number for their pleas. It would sent these people happily to the office to cash in 

[BC]

Does anyone remember a long story by a guy named "Ranger" on RWD - a precussor to RWG. I kept a printed copy up until a few years ago. It was incredible.
And a lawyer from Boston who would send scamers a bogus Western Union number for their pleas. It would sent these people happily to the office to cash in 

IIRC you're probably referring to Gameranger...  vague memory of him, Dan probably knows for sure.

[Simoni]

Good opening to an interesting thread, Gator.


Yes, the world of dating FSU women has totally changed in the last 10 years.


When I first came to RWD in its first few weeks of its existence, the major purpose of the forum was for newbies to seek advice from those with experience.


A number of us benefited from this advice about travel, agencies, communications, etc. and found our girls and married and started families.   We were the lucky ones.  Most crashed and burned.


I come here every few months to drop PMs to old friends.  I long since have learned that reading the posts of self-inflated and overly opinionated and off-base posters was not for me; in reality, the RWD of today serves a different purpose than what first attracted me.


Eight years later I'm grateful for the advice I received.  It was very helpful.  Yes, I did my homework and followed best practice.  But most of all I realize now that I got lucky.  I wish the best of luck to the guys here seeking a happy and complete relationship and family.  It's really nice when it works out that way.

[Eduard]

  But most of all I realize now that I got lucky.  I wish the best of luck to the guys here seeking a happy and complete relationship and family.  It's really nice when it works out that way.

Yes, you sure did! And your wife is a lovely, wonderful lady. From reading these boards I've concluded long ago that most guys who are happily married, are so by a fair amount of luck. It's tough enough to marry the right person when you come from the same culture and speak the same language.

[Anotherkiwi]

...From reading these boards I've concluded long ago that most guys who are happily married, are so by a fair amount of luck. It's tough enough to marry the right person when you come from the same culture and speak the same language.

Which is why nearly everyone on here has already been divorced at least once.
 
And yet...I look at my siblings and wonder how come I missed out?  All four of them together with their respective spouses for between 10 and 30 years - and my marriage only lasted 6 years.  However, I look at my sisters-in-law (all lovely women, and not fat!) and say to myself "No, never interested in them at all, even if I had met them first!"  Oh, well...maybe Ms Kyiv or Ms St Petersburg or Ms Novosibirsk may be the one...or Ms Brisbane!

[BC]

Which is why nearly everyone on here has already been divorced at least once.
 
And yet...I look at my siblings and wonder how come I missed out? All four of them together with their respective spouses for between 10 and 30 years - and my marriage only lasted 6 years.  However, I look at my sisters-in-law (all lovely women, and not fat!) and say to myself "No, never interested in them at all, even if I had met them first!"  Oh, well...maybe Ms Kyiv or Ms St Petersburg or Ms Novosibirsk may be the one...or Ms Brisbane!

Yeah,

Here's the secret.



After a divorce or break up, this is my favorite 'pick me up'.. get in the car, go for a ride and pop the old cd in...  works every time, in fact so well that I don't follow their great advice so I can listen to it again.. and again...

[Anotherkiwi]

Yeah,

Here's the secret.



After a divorce or break up, this is my favorite 'pick me up'.. get in the car, go for a ride and pop the old cd in...  works every time, in fact so well that I don't follow their great advice so I can listen to it again.. and again...

Yup - I know that song!  I didn't make a pretty woman my wife (well, not by the standard of this forum, anyway) but the marriage still eventually fizzled out.  Maybe I'll have more luck with a pretty woman!

[Shostakovich]

Did not read the entire thread so pardon if this is redundant.  Here is how it is going to go in the next 20 years.  The rich will continue to get richer and that will happen without respect to national boundaries.  The world does a really good job of locating the top 1%, who will make the strategic decisions and reap the lion's share of the rewards.  Most in the US are on a downward escalator and, increasingly, will not be able to front the funds for this, but the ones who can, worldwide, will be more inclined to find what they want on the international stage, because reproduction is one of life's fundamental drives and must be done right.  Reproduction will become the province of the rich or the stupid.