Women coming to meet men in the US?

[alex330]

My wife has met quite a few women on vkontakte after arriving here to make friends and network.
They trade stories, share experiences, etc.

It seems there are quite a few women who are now coming into the US on tourist VISA's to visit men. The women (or man who wants to meet them) purchases a tour into the US and comes for a visit. The VISA's are easy to get this way. The man usually pays for the trip from the sound of it and the woman gets to see where the guy lives and what his life is like. Many times she will visit her "aunt" or relative and visits multiple men on the same trip.

Not sure if this has always been done but seems to be a popular way for women to meet men on the mans home turf lately.

[GQBlues]

It has been for the past 3-4 years Alex. Just this past weekend, there's a slew of young Russians along the Promenade here and we started chatting with a group of 4 (3 females, 1 male) on tourist visas. According to them, they are part of a larger pool of tourists from Russia traveling 'through' the US.

I think it's wonderful. These folks, especially the women who may aspire to be married to AM, at least get to 'see' what's available for her in the real world and one much closer to her age. Then add all the other non-immigrant visa arrivals with tourism e.g. business, student, etc...soon Russia-based MOB will be a thing of the past for Americans, if it isn't already. 2010 saw USCIS handed out only 700+/- K-visas when I believe the height of this when things were brisk was at 4,000+/-

It's all good when women get more 'option'. Just as they are with AWs...

[alex330]

I agree. It's nice that women are able to see what life may be like for them here and get to know the other person a little better in person.

[Gylden]

Agree 100%
 
It is how my wife and I handled things. She came to me for a few long visits. I really believe it helped her to understand better how things would be and cushioned any adjustment period.

[Shadow]

It is something that happens more and more, as people get more money in Russia than before 10 years. However the general caveat stays. Any woman asking money for tickets and visa to visit you is not to be trusted.

[LAman]

I think this is more of a Russian thing. I doubt if it is UW that are getting these tourist visas.
Alex.....I know your wife is from Ukraine, is she speaking to girls getting tourist visas that are from Ukraine?
I know a girl that visited me from Moldova had to jump many hoops to get US visa and I was shocked when she told me she got one, I didn't think she would get one so I didn't even plan any vacation time.

[Lily]

 

  The women (or man who wants to meet them) purchases a tour into the US and comes for a visit. The VISA's are easy to get this way. 

There are rumors that there are indeed more chances to get a visa when an individual from a high-risk country purchases a tour to visit a foreign country. Probably this is because the tour organizers serve as imtermediaries before the consulate, where they may have established contacts or just have more experience in showing absence of immigration intention.

I think it's wonderful. These folks, especially the women who may aspire to be married to AM, at least get to 'see' what's available for her in the real world and one much closer to her age. Then add all the other non-immigrant visa arrivals with tourism e.g. business, student, etc...soon Russia-based MOB will be a thing of the past for Americans, if it isn't already. 2010 saw USCIS handed out only 700+/- K-visas when I believe the height of this when things were brisk was at 4,000+/-

It's all good when women get more 'option'. Just as they are with AWs...

Of course it is wonderful, both with non-immigrant and immigrant visits. Some women may go this way indeed, but my a nomber of reasons, they are not going to be that many in order to influence a MOB scene. A number of women would still prefer a passive approach, like dreaming of someone who would come for them to the FSU and take them. As soon as women do not take their lives under their own control, the MOB business will still be fine.

[calmissile]

I have a couple of questions.
1.  Are the tours approach for tourist visas also working for UA women?
2.  Once on a tour are you required to remain in the group or can to depart to stay with your B/F for the duration of the visa?

I can see many benefits to bringing a gal to the US for an indoctrination into the culture to see if she likes it, as well as giving you both a chance to create a bond and determine compatibility.

[ECOCKS]

I think this is more of a Russian thing. I doubt if it is UW that are getting these tourist visas.
Alex.....I know your wife is from Ukraine, is she speaking to girls getting tourist visas that are from Ukraine?
I know a girl that visited me from Moldova had to jump many hoops to get US visa and I was shocked when she told me she got one, I didn't think she would get one so I didn't even plan any vacation time.

I want to see a dozen documented cases of single Ukrainian women with no prior travel records getting a visa like this.

Maybe the Russian gals are doing this routinely now but I have my doubts. Still, maybe it's true....

[alex330]

I think this is more of a Russian thing. I doubt if it is UW that are getting these tourist visas.
Alex.....I know your wife is from Ukraine, is she speaking to girls getting tourist visas that are from Ukraine?
I know a girl that visited me from Moldova had to jump many hoops to get US visa and I was shocked when she told me she got one, I didn't think she would get one so I didn't even plan any vacation time.

My wife has made friends with Russian and Ukrainian women that have done this. I was also shocked, especially after going through the K1 process ourselves, but we had drinks just a couple nights ago with one woman who did just this. She was Russian. I met two Ukrainian women several months ago here who came here to visit a couple guys on tourist VISA's. I think a little money and a nice tour works sometimes.

[alex330]

I have a couple of questions.
1.  Are the tours approach for tourist visas also working for UA women?
2.  Once on a tour are you required to remain in the group or can to depart to stay with your B/F for the duration of the visa?

1. Yes, it seems to work for Ukrainians as well. Maybe a little harder? Not sure. Tours to Alaska, Cruise ship tours, Disney if they have a child are all ways that have worked according to my wife.
2. I am sure you are not supposed to technically leave a tour.... but it is being done. One woman was married and already has her green card.

Edit - As Lily mentioned, I think the trick is to use a tour broker who acts as middle man.

[alex330]

I want to see a dozen documented cases of single Ukrainian women with no prior travel records getting a visa like this.

Maybe the Russian gals are doing this routinely now but I have my doubts. Still, maybe it's true....

It was hard for me to believe as well, but it is happening. Not sure if there is a prior travel record for most of the women or not. The women network and chat on vkontakte and skype.

[ECOCKS]

I'm not buying it.

I know too many still getting denied.

Not saying you're lying just, as I said, it's going to take a satchel full of proof.

[calmissile]

Alex330,

If possible could you inquire further and find out any tour brokers that set up tours for Ukrainian women.  You can PM me with the data if you like.

I had already thought of the Disneyland angle for a gal with a child, but did not think about using a tour company to make the arrangements.

If this process works, it could be a huge advantage rather than spending a lot of time and money going to Ukriane on several trips.  One of the most important would be her having the opportunity to experience America and our culture as well as the compatibilty between the two of us by spending time together.

[LAman]

I want to see a dozen documented cases of single Ukrainian women with no prior travel records getting a visa like this.

Maybe the Russian gals are doing this routinely now but I have my doubts. Still, maybe it's true....

I don't know of any UW that have got a visa.  My friend here had one russian girl come here for 3 straight summers on a work visa ( maybe third was education visa?) and another russian girl came on tourist visa tthe following year. He said it was pretty simple to sponsor a girl and have her (russian) come on a work visa( I don't know all details). I have met every girl that has come here. This guy is currently living in Moscow on a education visa.
One lady I was speaking to from EM told me it is easy to get a russian girl a tourist visa, she has not had any denied that she has tried to get for her friends. Of course it is only what she told me.
Another girl , a UW, has told me she visits countries in western europe by first getting a polish visa, which is easy, then from there , going to whatever country she chooses. I have heard something about this before, maybe here in this forum.
I do have my doubts about this 'tour' thing but who knows????

[alex330]

I don't know of any UW that have got a visa.  My friend here had one russian girl come here for 3 straight summers on a work visa ( maybe third was education visa?) and another russian girl came on tourist visa tthe following year. He said it was pretty simple to sponsor a girl and have her (russian) come on a work visa( I don't know all details).
Another girl , a UW, has told me she visits countries in western europe by first getting a polish visa, which is easy, then from there , going to whatever country she chooses.

Two of the Ukrainian women I met in person were here on tourist VISA's. One was currently attending college in Poland. That may help as you mentioned. One had never been outside Ukraine.

One Ukrainian woman did a tour through Alaska and is in the Northeast visiting a guy right now. Met her on skype with my zhena.

We have met many Russian women on work and education VISA's down here. Seems easier for them as you mentioned.

[GQBlues]

The 2001-2010 DHS report for non-immigrant admittance (I-94 Admissions) per country of citizenship numbers show '09-'10 for Russia was at 197K - 230K respectively. Comparatively, for Ukraine it is 66K - 71K respectively. It was a bit higher in '08 at 75K.

While Ukraine's numbers are low compared to Russia, Ukraine averages about 5,700 monthly entries.

Non-Immigrant can be anything including tourists, students, business, transit, fiance/e, etc...

http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/YrBk10NI.shtm

Table 26.

So any anecdotal headcount of less than a dozen is technically well within the threshold of anyone's  believability.

[ECOCKS]

I don't know of any UW that have got a visa.  My friend here had one russian girl come here for 3 straight summers on a work visa ( maybe third was education visa?) and another russian girl came on tourist visa tthe following year. He said it was pretty simple to sponsor a girl and have her (russian) come on a work visa( I don't know all details). I have met every girl that has come here. This guy is currently living in Moscow on a education visa.
One lady I was speaking to from EM told me it is easy to get a russian girl a tourist visa, she has not had any denied that she has tried to get for her friends. Of course it is only what she told me.
Another girl , a UW, has told me she visits countries in western europe by first getting a polish visa, which is easy, then from there , going to whatever country she chooses. I have heard something about this before, maybe here in this forum.
I do have my doubts about this 'tour' thing but who knows????

This matches everything I have heard as well.

The tour thing can work if you are patient and have money to build a travel record.

The work and play/travel visas for university students are obtainable but the Embassies will tell you that a percentage of these try to run and go underground and that they are aware that some are in contact with American family members or some Internet friend.

I have sat in the waiting room in the Kyiv ACS and listened to wails and watched the tears of those denied. I also have a former student who was in the unit. Recently, I made a contact with extensive experience in the Russian Embassy and am intending to follow this up when time permits. There's something screwy with the numbers that we don't understand.

[ECOCKS]

The 2001-2010 DHS report for non-immigrant admittance (I-94 Admissions) per country of citizenship numbers show '09-'10 for Russia was at 197K - 230K respectively. Comparatively, for Ukraine it is 66K - 71K respectively. It was a bit higher in '08 at 75K.

While Ukraine's numbers are low compared to Russia, Ukraine averages about 5,700 monthly entries.

Non-Immigrant can be anything including tourists, students, business, transit, fiance/e, etc...

http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/YrBk10NI.shtm

Table 26.

So any anecdotal headcount of less than a dozen is technically well within the threshold of anyone's  believability.

Not believable by me because it hasn't happened yet.

[Vasilisa]

I remember the day when I was having my K visa interview in the American Embassy, we were sitting in the left room with a cashier's window, where people were paying the fee after the visas were approved, and there were people who were having tourist visa interviews in the right room, but they came to the cashier who was in our room, too,  I'd say I didn't see any "tourist":a male or a female they turned back on that day: there was a long line of people paying for the tourist visas AFTER the interview.
I've seen a couple of old ladies in our room whose migrational visas were denied though as they didn't provide some documents about not having any criminal records in ALL places where they had lived for more than 6 months' time.

[Vasilisa]

I have sat in the waiting room in the Kyiv ACS and listened to wails and watched the tears of those denied. I also have a former student who was in the unit.

Do they have a waiting room in the Ukrainian one?! In Moscow they don't even allow strange people to stand close to the Embassy, they normally go to wait in a cafe which is about one mile away next to the subway.

[ECOCKS]

Do they have a waiting room in the Ukrainian one?! In Moscow they don't even allow strange people to stand close to the Embassy, they normally go to wait in a cafe which is about one mile away next to the subway.

Obviously they do or I wouldn't have said anything about the one there.

LOL, "strange people" 

Not sure what constitutes strange or why they would have any "normal" place to wait but people there on business and waiting for their appointments have a medium-sized room to sit in until their name is called.

[Vasilisa]

Obviously they do or I wouldn't have said anything about the one there.

LOL, "strange people" 

Not sure what constitutes strange or why they would have any "normal" place to wait but people there on business and waiting for their appointments have a medium-sized room to sit in until their name is called.

Yes, but these people are non-citizens waiting for their VISA interviews(people who come with them wait outside), if these are citizens who come there on business they wait in different rooms and don't meet the future immigrants or tourists. I thought you were a citizen.

[Gylden]

IMPORTANT: Please note that only individuals applying for a visa are allowed to enter the compound. Visa applicants may not bring U.S. citizens, U.S. Legal Permanent Residents, spouses, attorneys, sponsors, friends, or other family members with them
 
 

[alex330]

IMPORTANT: Please note that only individuals applying for a visa are allowed to enter the compound. Visa applicants may not bring U.S. citizens, U.S. Legal Permanent Residents, spouses, attorneys, sponsors, friends, or other family members with them

In Ukraine US citizens or sponsors are allowed in the room as well as for the interview itself unless the rules have changed recently. I attended the interview with my wife and they even gave us priority into the Embassy since I was there and a citizen.