Hi, I just got engaged to one online, never met..

[Daveman]

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I've research Fiancee Visas and don't think that I want to go that route cause you have to have Met in person (receipts, pictures together, essays, etc). Too much approval this approval that over 9 months of documenting, submit this, submit that.

I Believe that I would rather fly to Moscow, and marry her there. This way is a b!tch too, with the notary, the stamps, the waiting 6 days, then going back in 32 days. I only have one week of scheduled vacation left to be taken in late September. A plane (connect flight) to Her isolated town would cost $2000+ round trip. The flight time is over 2 days, so 4 days of flying (connecting) and 3 days of visiting with her and her family, plus they might just kill me or rob me, who knows? Her siblings all seem to have AKs or a fascination with boxing/fighting. Plus it's ridiculously cold there in late fall/winter sometimes -35. I could easily be left for dead.

I've been studying Russian for 1 and a half years, first using Rosetta Stone (as well as many other languages I tried), then Pimsleur, then another generic audio learn while driving one, then Michel Thomas. I study almost Every day now for a couple of months, used to just be once or twice a week. It's almost become second nature, but my (beyond the basics) vocabulary is still lacking, of course.

How do I get her from her far-from-Moscow town to the registrar to sign what needs to be signed, and then head home? uh, after the wedding party. I'm reading that it all must converge on Moscow. We both must be there in person, at least twice, to make it happen.

Looking at the costs (plane, hotel, documents, visas), I may be staring at $10,000. We haven't even met but through out pictures messages. She asked me if I wanted to get married, I was kinda shocked after chatting for only an hour. She Still thinks that we're getting married and is holding out for long run apparently. Her papa messaged me about having her hand and her heart, and told me to make him "offers." I just confirmed that I'd like to marry your daughter.

Seems like an impossibility but I've read several accounts online of how easy it was to marry in Russia. But I am assuming that these non-Russians on business visas or the like, met their spouses in cities within a 100-200 mile radius of Moscow. My fiance is way out there in the sticks. What is the best way to make it happened and to not get killed traveling to the more distant parts of Siberia.

Just for the record for anyone who is interested -- ummm, ya know, if you want to bring her to the USA, you have just a wee bit more documentation for the CR-1 than you do for the K-1 fiancee visa...  soooooo, you're gonna jump through the additional FSU bureaucratic hoops.  AND take the same 9 months or so...


All you accomplish is an exercise in masochism...


unless you are doing it for her... 


The sight of your "her" on her special day.. beaming as the princess... all her family and friends oohing and aaahing...  THAT's worth getting married over there... 

[capricorn rising]

let's see a pic of this woman

[Boethius]

Why Russian  father? The story sounds like they are not Russian: poor as dirt  in the middle of nowhere somewhere in Siberia; her siblings all seem to have AKs;  her papa told OP to make him offers. May be some northern siberian folks, Chukchi or Nenets, though I don't know well their customs. In that case the situation looks more reasonable.

I read the original post to my better half, as well as your post.  He said it is not a custom among either Chukchas or the Nenets.

He also said "The internet is the modern weapon of the proletariat."

[alex330]

My wife says a common game they play at weddings in Ukraine is the groom must go the his brides house and bargain with her parents while they hold her ransom. They haggle back and forth for her release. It is based on old village traditions she says. Is there not a similar custom in Russia?

[Bokeszy]

Just for the record for anyone who is interested -- ummm, ya know, if you want to bring her to the USA, you have just a wee bit more documentation for the CR-1 than you do for the K-1 fiancee visa...  soooooo, you're gonna jump through the additional FSU bureaucratic hoops.  AND take the same 9 months or so...


All you accomplish is an exercise in masochism...


unless you are doing it for her... 


The sight of your "her" on her special day.. beaming as the princess... all her family and friends oohing and aaahing...  THAT's worth getting married over there...

"Interdieszna," the sound of the Russian word for Interesting. I just talked with a friend, 62 (I'm 36, my fiancee is 17), and he has been married twice to 2 different Russians via the fiancee visa. He's working on his third right now. He insists that Fiancee Visa is the only way to go (to use the 90 days to get to know her better - the one he's with, his gf right now is on her second visa, the first 90 days expired last Summer, he's rich, a doctor, she's 47), that going to Moscow to marry can take 2 years as opposed to only 9 months with the Fiancee Visa.

I'm taking in all opinions before my vacation in a few months to make the leap to get the ball rolling. He says to have her take a train to Moscow, that trains are the mode of transportation there from the distances she's at. I'd never thought of that. I'd thought of how poor she is and how she'd never be able to afford a plane ticket, but will now ask her to make that train trip in a few months to Moscow.

But, as you say, getting married over there, may be a healthier foundation for us to remember with her family being there, so I'm still undecided as to which path to marriage I should take.

[Ade]

"Interdieszna," the sound of the Russian word for Interesting. I just talked with a friend, 62 (I'm 36, my fiancee is 17), and he has been married twice to 2 different Russians via the fiancee visa. He's working on his third right now. He insists that Fiancee Visa is the only way to go (to use the 90 days to get to know her better - the one he's with, his gf right now is on her second visa, the first 90 days expired last Summer, he's rich, a doctor, she's 47), that going to Moscow to marry can take 2 years as opposed to only 9 months with the Fiancee Visa.

I'm taking in all opinions before my vacation in a few months to make the leap to get the ball rolling. He says to have her take a train to Moscow, that trains are the mode of transportation there from the distances she's at. I'd never thought of that. I'd thought of how poor she is and how she'd never be able to afford a plane ticket, but will now ask her to make that train trip in a few months to Moscow.

But, as you say, getting married over there, may be a healthier foundation for us to remember with her family being there, so I'm still undecided as to which path to marriage I should take.

Got to be a troll. Or an idiot.

[newjason]

Do I sound like a broken record when I say you can't know what Is real or what is not when communicating over the internet? Well, here is another fine example.

But I am bored, and someone wants to go fishing, so I'll bite...

Bokeszy
Welcome.

I have a few questions for you.

1.

Seems like an impossibility but I've read several accounts online of how easy it was to marry in Russia.

Where did you read these accounts?  Please provide links, I think this would be very interesting reading for this group. Do you believe  everything you read on-line?

2.

I just talked with a friend, 62 (I'm 36, my fiancee is 17)

Why do you want to marry someone who you have never met and who is under age of 18?
You want a wife or a daughter?

3.

The flight time is over 2 days

Where in the world are you travelling from that it takes 2 days to fly to Russia?
Are you travelling by hot air balloon perhaps?

I'm taking in all opinions before my vacation in a few months to make the leap to get the ball rolling. He says to have her take a train to Moscow, that trains are the mode of transportation there from the distances she's at.

You mis-understood him, he meant to say , have her take the last train to "Clarksville" and she'll meet you at the Station.

Oh, and one more thing...
Shw is going to need money....
a whole lot of spending money..


anyway, thank you.
very entertaining.

btw,


oh never mind, i cant say that to someone I've never met...

[Shadow]

"Interdieszna," the sound of the Russian word for Interesting. I just talked with a friend, 62 (I'm 36, my fiancee is 17), and he has been married twice to 2 different Russians via the fiancee visa. He's working on his third right now. He insists that Fiancee Visa is the only way to go (to use the 90 days to get to know her better - the one he's with, his gf right now is on her second visa, the first 90 days expired last Summer, he's rich, a doctor, she's 47), that going to Moscow to marry can take 2 years as opposed to only 9 months with the Fiancee Visa.

I'm taking in all opinions before my vacation in a few months to make the leap to get the ball rolling. He says to have her take a train to Moscow, that trains are the mode of transportation there from the distances she's at. I'd never thought of that. I'd thought of how poor she is and how she'd never be able to afford a plane ticket, but will now ask her to make that train trip in a few months to Moscow.

But, as you say, getting married over there, may be a healthier foundation for us to remember with her family being there, so I'm still undecided as to which path to marriage I should take.

She will probably make the trip by car with her relatives. AK-47's are not popular to take as luggage.

[BC]

Regardless if the OP is a troll or not (for some reason I'm not convinced that he is), I do believe there are men and women who really think they can pull off something like this.  Don't know if the OP will be back or not, but would be interesting to take it at face value and discover some underlying motivations for such a brash, maybe even stupid move.

So far I see a mix of white night and someone looking for a totally dependent / submissive partner.  Anyone detect anything else?

[BC]

Just for the record for anyone who is interested -- ummm, ya know, if you want to bring her to the USA, you have just a wee bit more documentation for the CR-1 than you do for the K-1 fiancee visa...  soooooo, you're gonna jump through the additional FSU bureaucratic hoops.  AND take the same 9 months or so...

Dunno if the CR-1 would even be available for someone who is not resident in the consular area of responsibility.  K1 might be the only option.

[Ade]

So far I see a mix of white night and someone looking for a totally dependent / submissive partner.  Anyone detect anything else?

The total lack of critical thinking skills.

[Shadow]

So far I see a mix of white night and someone looking for a totally dependent / submissive partner.  Anyone detect anything else?

I detect a total neglect of almost anything posted. This means the OP, if not trolling, is not here to gather opinions or really investigate possible pitfalls, but to inform us about his success.
MrsShadow confirmed that the custom of 'Kalim' or dowry is only present among Asians, with the price being lower if the woman is more clever.
Being able to use a computer already lowers the dowry.

[BC]

The total lack of critical thinking skills.

To some degree, or at times don't we all suffer a bit from that?..

'little head thinking' comes to mind. 

[Ade]

To some degree, or at times don't we all suffer a bit from that?..

A lack, perhaps. A total lack though is a different kettle of fish. If this guy is not extracting the urine and/or trolling, he is in for a "fun"  and "interesting" ride.

[Anotherkiwi]

...3. Where in the world are you travelling from that it takes 2 days to fly to Russia?
Are you travelling by hot air balloon perhaps?

It can easily take the best part of two days to get from New Zealand to Moscow.  The only one-stop options are via Bangkok, Singapore or Hong Kong.  The latter has the shortest stopover if you want to do the trip all in one go (about 3-4 hours), but it's still 26-27 hours total.  Via Bangkok (as on my first trip) you have a 12 hour flight, then a 12 hour overnight stop, then a 9-10 hour flight.

[BC]

A lack, perhaps. A total lack though is a different kettle of fish. If this guy is not extracting the urine and/or trolling, he is in for a "fun"  and "interesting" ride.

Ade,

as stated, to a degree.. that might be 100% which could be temporary.  At face value, highly likely he does need help but as Shadow seems to suggest, possibly seeks affirmation of  by coming here. 

[Patagonie]

She will probably make the trip by car with her relatives. AK-47's are not popular to take as luggage.

Normally if i remember well, in this country you have a RPG free for three AK47 ?

[newjason]

Regardless if the OP is a troll or not (for some reason I'm not convinced that he is), I do believe there are men and women who really think they can pull off something like this.  Don't know if the OP will be back or not, but would be interesting to take it at face value and discover some underlying motivations for such a brash, maybe even stupid move.

So far I see a mix of white night and someone looking for a totally dependent / submissive partner.  Anyone detect anything else?

I do, but I am afraid to say it out loud. but here are some other damaged traits i see.

1.he refer's to everyone as numbers.
 62's GF47, is 37's 17.   
10-4 ?  negative , we have a possible10-35 in progress.

2.Someone who thinks that they can pull this off, has been indoors  too long on the computer, and or living under a rock and has just emerged from the 2000 year sleep.

Anyone can seem like a rockstar, if you go far away enough from civilization.   

It does seem that there is a new one coming in every  two or three days though.  Most should not even be contemplating dating, let alone doing what the OP is proposing.
Let's not forget, she proposed to him, so any day now, he will be getting sad sad sorry story and how he is the only one who can save her from this great tragic injustice.
So  I say to 37,  Pack your bags! We're going on a Guilt Trip!
 

[CanadaMan]

... I just talked with a friend, 62 (I'm 36, my fiancee is 17),  ... so I'm still undecided as to which path to marriage I should take.

There used to be a fella here who posted under the name of 'Billy B'.
This guy sounds like his long lost cousin. 

[Boethius]

LOL.  Well, Billy was five years older when he contacted his underage teen.  But, let's wait for all the defenders of "true love" to come forward.


I thought AM are restricted to a lifetime of two K-1 visas, absent exceptional circumstances?

[Shadow]

LOL.  Well, Billy was five years older when he contacted his underage teen.  But, let's wait for all the defenders of "true love" to come forward.


I thought AM are restricted to a lifetime of two K-1 visas, absent exceptional circumstances?

He's rich. 

[BC]

LOL.  Well, Billy was five years older when he contacted his underage teen.  But, let's wait for all the defenders of "true love" to come forward.

Haven't heard from BillyB in over three months now.  Unusual.

[Gator]

I thought AM are restricted to a lifetime of two K-1 visas, absent exceptional circumstances?

You are correct.  But why believe this part of the yarn (hee hee, "thread," get it) when everything else is incredulous?

[Muzh]

Haven't heard from BillyB in over three months now.  Unusual.

It's hard to get internet connection from under a bridge.

[SANDRO43]

this part of the yarn (hee hee, "thread," get it)

WOOF!  

the weft or woof is the term for the yarn which is drawn through the warp yarns to create cloth