Life Changes...Part Deux Part 2

[jone]

Perhaps you never thought of it that way, but some people believe that the best lovers get great pleasure from their partner/spouse, and whatever they do, they primarily do to pleasure themselves. So they are by default selfish during sailing. But sure, they know what their partner likes and try to take that into account too. Or ideally, they and their partner like the same things, so they are perfectly compatible, and each one pleases self, while the other person receives gratification too. There is a significant difference between acting as an "alive horse" or living through this experience. Compare the experience of spending the time with the high-paid prostitute who is with you "to please you" (for money) vs. your lover/partner/spouse who has both experience and feelings/passion/lust for you, and you'll get the idea.

Didn't your MIL explain to you these basics?

I'm still working on the "In, Out, Repeat" in the handbook I got.   

[mies]

I'm still working on the "In, Out, Repeat" in the handbook I got.   

"In, Out, Repeat" is still better than "In, Out, Run!" as the Russian saying goes 

[mies]

What a happy load of horsecrap!  How do you KNOW what your husband's lifestyle would be,

Fathertime!

How do I know? Because I know what are his education/experience/professional interests, career prospects, and preferences in women and in life. He has not moved for me to a different country or even to a different state, he has not picked the job for me. Statistically speaking, when comparing him to the men with background and age similar to his, he is somewhere in the top 95-99% vs the rest. So it is possible to claim that I prevented him from becoming the 99.99%, but I think that would be unreasonable. On the other hand, I am humble enough not to assume that my presence in his life helped him to succeed. I know that he is talented, capable, and well-equipped for success, so I had very little to nothing to do with him being successful.

As for the happy load - I am generally a happy person. Do you have a problem with happy people?

[fathertime]

How do I know? Because I know what are his education/experience/professional interests, career prospects, and preferences in women and in life. He has not moved for me to a different country or even to a different state, he has not picked the job for me. Statistically speaking, when comparing him to the men with background and age similar to his, he is somewhere in the top 95-99% vs the rest. So it is possible to claim that I prevented him from becoming the 99.99%, but I think that would be unreasonable. On the other hand, I am humble enough not to assume that my presence in his life helped him to succeed. I know that he is talented, capable, and well-equipped for success, so I had very little to nothing to do with him being successful.

As for the happy load - I am generally a happy person. Do you have a problem with happy people?

1.           Your response is another load…bottom line you don’t know what your husband would have done had you not come along…you can say you know ‘exactly’…but you are not being truthful... or it is possible you really believe it, which makes you delusional.
2.         You don’t come across as happy at all…many of your posts make you appear bitter, antagonistic and frightened...unlike Billyb who does come across as happy (for better or worse)...and that makes you angrier...you see him as an affront or threat in some indirect way...based on your writings it is a pattern...you should look into your own obvious issues before being so critical of everybody else.
  Fathertime!

[Ade]

1.           Your response is another load…bottom line you don’t know what your husband would have done had you not come along…you can say you know ‘exactly’…but you are not being truthful... or it is possible you really believe it, which makes you delusional.
2.         You don’t come across as happy at all…many of your posts make you appear bitter, antagonistic and frightened...unlike Billyb who does come across as happy (for better or worse)...and that makes you angrier...you see him as an affront or threat in some indirect way...based on your writings it is a pattern...you should look into your own obvious issues before being so critical of everybody else.
  Fathertime!

A lot of projection there old man?

I also tend to agree with mies. As with her husband, professionally, my wife had nothing to do with my career and how it has progressed. Of course, if we'd never met there's always the butterfly effect that could kick in but we are talking probable outcomes here not tail end possibilities.

[jone]

Oh we are a sad lot.......

A large majority of the male posters on this forum are maladjusted folk.  Those that have made it through the gauntlet of marriage to an FSUW are better adjusted, but I realize that out of the friends that I spent time with in my initial years as a professional, I am a notable exception to those guys who went out, got married and raised a family.  Those guys are all still married.  That means they are adjusted to their lives.  It doesn't mean they are happy in their lives, just adjusted.

I am a happy guy.  But I don't have a lot of patience on this forum for guys who come in here and blow smoke in the room, making it cloudy.

As for Mies, I can relate to her.  If I marry an FSU love, she will probably have the same directness and support that Mies gives her husband.  And she won't sit around for a bunch of bullshit such as is handed out by some of the guys on here. 

Frankly, I feel as many posters on here do.  I don't believe Billy is married.  Someone who gets married is proud to show off their wedding pictures.  And a new (especially young) wife would wear a wedding ring.

All we have is Billy's word to go on.  So, absent pictures, I will treat him as being someone who is living with a woman.   It's not a bad thing.  It is just that he shows many pictures of her.  None of them with him.  And none of them with a wedding ring on.  No big deal.  Who cares?

I will point out one thing, though.  I watched as people created a fictitious argument that JayH had never been to Ukraine.  He was so pissed at being challenged about it that he refused to show evidence that he had been there.  I happen to be able to prove that he was in Ukraine, but he asked me to never relay that information to his detractors.

If Billy feels the same way, that is fine.  But don't make pronouncements about your marital bliss when you cannot or choose not to offer proof of its existence.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Some of you guys take these forums way too serious.

I read somewhere that married men tend to be more successful and live longer.  If you think about it, it makes sense.

As single men, we tend to be able to live on much less.  We really don't need much to be happy.  That also means we tend to do riskier things since we don't have to worry about anyone besides ourselves.

If you look at our economy, the biggest buyers are women.  That is why most commercials are geared towards that demographics. 

So the patters are there and I tend to believe them.   


I remember my first job overseas.  I ended up working with one of the guys that started the company I was just hired in.  He was a multi millionaire from the company going public but was still happy to be plugging away in his job.

I asked him why didn't he just retire since, at the time, he was very young being in his early 40's.  He told me, once you get married, you will enjoy coming to work.  I notice many of the married men nodding in agreement with that sentiment.   


Maybe that also adds to the success ratio. 


With all that said, I am the opposite.  Starting my own company and the time I put into that wouldn't have been possible if I was married or I should say stayed married.  I actually developed healthier habits after divorce simply because I had more time to work on myself.


I am probably not marriage material for most women because I enjoy spending my time between business and these healthy endeavors.   I guess one would say I am set in my ways.  haha     

[Faux Pas]

Frankly, I feel as many posters on here do.  I don't believe Billy is married.  Someone who gets married is proud to show off their wedding pictures.  And a new (especially young) wife would wear a wedding ring.

All we have is Billy's word to go on.  So, absent pictures, I will treat him as being someone who is living with a woman.   It's not a bad thing.  It is just that he shows many pictures of her.  None of them with him.  And none of them with a wedding ring on.  No big deal.  Who cares?

I don't doubt that Billy is married and I don't really understand the bru-haha over him not posting a wedding pic to satisfy someone's morbid curiosity. If I were Billy, I wouldn't post it either. We (the forum as a whole) take a hellava whole lot at face value. That alone allows us to extrapolate into any direction we wish.

I've been through the process of bringing a wife from overseas and from what I know, Billy's process with A was pretty consistent with ours. So, she is still in country and that indicates to me that A is either married to Billy or "out of status" on her immigration status.

However, that issue is not inclusive as to whether A is happy with Billy being she is so young and he is so much older but, it's not exclusive either. Bottom line is, Billy's wedding pic would prove nothing IMHO

[LiveFromUkraine]

I didn't find a picture of Billy's wedding but did find one with the two of them on their honeymoon.   Maybe this will stop the rumors.

[pokerintherear]

I think any member, male or female, who has used the justification of being married as proof their opinion is correct should post a wedding photo.

[GQBlues]

...Bottom line is, Billy's wedding pic would prove nothing IMHO

Oh yes it will! It'll prove Elvis is still alive! And speaking of Vegas...

Howard Stern is currently in hot water as apparently he recently hosted a contest between 3 men in their late '60s early '70s for an all expense paid trip to Las Vegas. The men not only had to be that old, very old (hence the age he picked), they also had to either be widowed, been single a while, or never married at all - then they had to professed being sex starved for young flesh....

 

The trip will be R/T, hotel, food and beverages - PLUS - the cutest women, as many as the winner can handle, he can pick out out of the bunny farm/s.

Eventually, one super, grotesquely old dude (late '60s, early '70s) won the contest and earned himself the 'prize'. Out he goes to Vegas, picked himself 2 gorgeous bunnies (That's PROs-Tee for those slow on the cosmo-urban uptakes), etc...and sets himself for a night of his life! The women were to arrive at a certain time, so while waiting, he decided to have an early dinner...like a sex-starved super old dude who thinks he can still slay the dragon; he decided he'll have a steak dinner....

Unfortunately, since it's Vegas and anything that can happen will happen, the really old dude never made it to the next morning. He died. 

Moral of the story? Yes, of course, there is one:

When you're that old, and it matters none what you think you look like, what you think you can do - the reality is: If you'd like to have a juicy steak for dinner - make very certain you cut those puppies in super tiny small bite-sized pieces because if you don't, considering your gnashers have been decomposing for years - if they haven't yet departed; and those jaws no longer grind like they used to do - there's a real possibility you won't be able to chew these young, juicy pieces of meat with any efficiency any longer and they would simply choke you to death.

Now, I don't believe this was Howard Stern's fault and he shouldn't be held accountable for the death of this participant. The only way this particular event can make sense to anyone is understanding that life is measured by the number of Elvis sightings...That is, if you believe everything you read and believe it to be true....


May you retain some of your teeth for your steaks...


EDIT: Dang! The dude is actually 86 years old! Poor thing...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/86-year-old-chokes-death-claiming-sex-prize-article-1.1546939



"Dinner killed Grandpa Johnny before he could dig into dessert.  An 86-year-old man who won a free ménage-a-trois at the famous Bunny Ranch choked to death on a piece of steak shortly before his promised night of carnal delight, said brothel owner Dennis Hof.

Eager octogenarian Johnny Orris, shortly before his last meal, said he was looking forward to “the greatest day of my life” — only to die Thursday on the floor of a Nevada restaurant.

“The guy was so full of life,” said his grandson Ed, who entered Orris in a Howard Stern-sponsored contest for a night of passion at the Nevada brothel.

He was on cloud nine, and anxious to get back to the Bunny Ranch,” said the 49-year-old grandson, who stopped by the pleasure palace with gramps that afternoon. “He told one of the girls, ‘I’m gonna be back here at 9 o’clock — you’d better be ready!’”

Hof was astounded when Ed returned to the ranch with word of the balding, bespectacled prize winner’s sudden demise before the grand finale of his all-expenses-paid trip.

Johnny said that he was prepping for the ‘Super Bowl of Sex,’ ” said Hof. “And he never got there.”

Johnny Orris lived alone at his home in Sullivan, Ill., after his wife died 11 years ago, according to his grandson. It was Ed’s idea to bring the randy retired farmer to New York for the Stern show contest tied to the Johnny Knoxville movie “Bad Grandpa.”

After winning the October competition, Orris was counting down the days until his night with call girls Caressa Kisses and Rain Riches.

“He was ecstatic,” recalled his grandson. “He’d been that way ever since our trip to the Stern show.” The grandfather began swapping emails with Kisses in a bit of cyber-foreplay, Hof said....

LOL! ...more in the article!  That would've been the 'Mother-of-All' threesomes, man...too bad!

[ML]

. . . butterfly effect that could kick in here . . . not tail end possibilities.

Holy crap; I thought I was clued in to all possible maneuvers!!

Is this native to Wales or Norway??

[calmissile]

I didn't find a picture of Billy's wedding but did find one with the two of them on their honeymoon.   Maybe this will stop the rumors.

A little tasteless isn't it?

[LiveFromUkraine]

A little tasteless isn't it?

Is that you in the picture?  I find it rather strange it is always the old guys that complain about these types of jokes.  Insecurities? 

[Muzh]

Is that you in the picture?  I find it rather strange it is always the old guys that complain about these types of jokes.  Insecurities?

 

[Anotherkiwi]

Of course, if we'd never met there's always the butterfly effect that could kick in but we are talking probable outcomes here not tail end possibilities.

Holy crap; I thought I was clued in to all possible maneuvers!!

A butterfly stretching its wings in the Brazilian rain forest will cause a typhoon in the Philippines...

[BillyB]

I am not a cleaning lady and I do not find pride in washing/cleaning/cooking. I do it, sure, so does my husband. But to be happy about it?

You like to be in a relationship of equals. Like Communism it sounds good on paper and like Communism, it's those who dictates what is equal that can ruin it because we are human and we aren't perfect.


I've read numerous times women saying they want to marry a man who will be an equal and do half the laundry, cooking, and cleaning. Some men say those woman are strong and some say men who say that are pussy whipped. Never have I seen a woman say she wants to be in a relationship of equals to where she's repairing the car, house, taking out the garbage half the time and being an equal contributor to bringing home the money. When people talk fairness, they usually are talking about things getting done to benefit themselves more than what's fair for all.


My wife does all the cleaning, cooking, laundry and other traditional woman's chores and I do the men's and I don't expect her to bring home any money. We don't keep score on who's turn it is to clean, cook, and repair the toilet. We have our roles and it's only our individual faults if we don't perform our roles. If my wife is sick or busy, I will help out with the house.


You and your husband agree and are happy with the setup within your marriage and I and my wife agree and are happy with the setup within mine. There's no sense debating what is better for you or I since we are looking for different things.

don't make pronouncements about your marital bliss

jmana says my wife is a gold digger. TS says I'm controlling. You think I'm writing about bliss. I simply write the events happening in my life and you guys are imagining things and then getting mad at me based off what you imagine. Strange.

Frankly, I feel as many posters on here do.

Who are those many posters? Are you imagining things again? If not, names please. I don't know if you're drinking Ade's coolaid or making up some of your own. So far I've read it's Ade and you. Most others are smart enough to figure out if I were a guy to troll this forum stating I married a smokinhotkova, I'd do it within the first 10 posts instead of participating for years making 1000's of posts. What would be my gain to waste that much time and posts wearing out my keyboard to fool people now?


You've never been hostile to me so I don't understand why you're now coming out making accusations. Usually people are hostile to those who are lying so I didn't expect that from you. I understand Ade's frustration. It's hard to learn someone who has opposite views in politics, religion, and world views do so much better in life. Instead of accepting my success, which in turn questions everything Ade believes in, it's better for him to spread rumors I'm not actually married, not successful, and not happy. Would I have these problems from Ade if my wife were ugly? I doubt it. Ade would accept that fact because he could believe I deserve much worse out of a woman.

I don't believe Billy is married. 

All we have is Billy's word to go on.  So, absent pictures, I will treat him as being someone who is living with a woman.   

Now is a good time for a confession. I poked around the forum to see how many married couples posted their wedding photos in response to your feelings so that you'd treat them as married instead of single. Results are nobody cares if you think they're married or not.


Don't ever tell a woman what you're telling us. If I told my wife I'd treat everybody in real life and on this forum as single unless they show me wedding photos, she'd think I'd taken my first step toward the nut house.

Billy's wedding pic would prove nothing IMHO

It might prove something. It might prove I'm a good at photo shop. Even if I were providing photos with rings and wedding dresses, I doubt the non believers could accept that and use the photo shop excuse.

I am a happy guy.  But I don't have a lot of patience on this forum for guys who come in here and blow smoke in the room, making it cloudy.

Let's clear the smoke then. The crap coming out of your and Ade's mouths is distracting so let's see how much you believe and value your own words. Although I'm not going to post wedding photos, I will do better with a proposal that is going to please everyone including myself.


For those who don't believe I'm married, wire Daveman $5000. He's one of the more stable posters here I think we can trust. I doubt he'd risk his lucrative job as super moderator(chief babysitter) by stealing your money. $5000 is affordable for anyone who's in this endeavor and if you can't afford it, pool your money together with the MANY other non believers you say is out there.


After that is done, you can appoint someone locally to meet me and my wife or you can personally meet us if you wish. I will show you a marriage certificate and we can go to local city hall to verify that the government recognizes our marriage. Once that happens, Daveman will wire me your money minus his cost in doing so.


The good news is if I can't prove I'm married, Daveman will send you your money back and I will compensate yours and Dave's wiring costs so it will cost you nothing, you will discredit everything I've ever said on this forum and I will become a joke, you will prove you're a man of confidence in believing what you say and write which is very attractive to the ladies, and you can feel reassured your life is better than mine.


I going to accurately predict those who make low class accusations and spread rumors aren't going to put money where their mouth is.


Shall we get back to the regularly scheduled programming of finishing up my mini trip report minus the distractions? A, her mom and I did a lot of walking around Las Vegas. A and I seen most of the city so we were doing it more for her mom. Here are a few photos of in and around the Bellagio.

[fathertime]

Hey Billyb,  thanks for sharing the photos!   Bellagio, is one of the best hotels to stay at in Vegas...although I like Palazzo myself. 






Fathertime! 

[jazztropy]

Thanks for the photos, Mr. BillyB

[calmissile]

Billy,  somehow I suspect that JonE was not being serious.  If he was, I would be willing to make him a side bet about you being legally married.  Some folks on here (Ade, etc) just like to pull peoples chains for attention.  Unfortunately, some of them are successful.  Next trip to Seattle, Hector (Hammer) and I, and maybe Kevin and Rita hope to have dinner with you and your wife.

In spite of the annimosity that has gone on in the past, the forum has been a great opportunity to meet couples and carry on long lasting friendships.  Some of us have been discussing having a North Amrican get together at some point.  We hope to reign in some of our Canadian friends such as D672 (Daryl and Irina) and find a location suitable to everyone.  For sure we want you and your wife to participate. 

Even before Dave's recent attempts to clean up the personal attacks, putting these clowns on IGNORE did a lot for me in enjoying the rest of the members posts.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Billy,  somehow I suspect that JonE was not being serious.  If he was, I would be willing to make him a side bet about you being legally married.  Some folks on here (Ade, etc) just like to pull peoples chains for attention.  Unfortunately, some of them are successful.  Next trip to Seattle, Hector (Hammer) and I, and maybe Kevin and Rita hope to have dinner with you and your wife.

In spite of the annimosity that has gone on in the past, the forum has been a great opportunity to meet couples and carry on long lasting friendships.  Some of us have been discussing having a North Amrican get together at some point.  We hope to reign in some of our Canadian friends such as D672 (Daryl and Irina) and find a location suitable to everyone.  For sure we want you and your wife to participate. 

Even before Dave's recent attempts to clean up the personal attacks, putting these clowns on IGNORE did a lot for me in enjoying the rest of the members posts.

Another guy whining about personal attacks and then goes on to call other members clowns.   Looking forward to Dave cleaning this post up as well.

[Ade]

Billy,  somehow I suspect that JonE was not being serious.  If he was, I would be willing to make him a side bet about you being legally married.  Some folks on here (Ade, etc) just like to pull peoples chains for attention.  Unfortunately, some of them are successful.  Next trip to Seattle, Hector (Hammer) and I, and maybe Kevin and Rita hope to have dinner with you and your wife.

In spite of the annimosity that has gone on in the past, the forum has been a great opportunity to meet couples and carry on long lasting friendships.  Some of us have been discussing having a North Amrican get together at some point.  We hope to reign in some of our Canadian friends such as D672 (Daryl and Irina) and find a location suitable to everyone.  For sure we want you and your wife to participate. 

Even before Dave's recent attempts to clean up the personal attacks, putting these clowns on IGNORE did a lot for me in enjoying the rest of the members posts.

I truly hope you guys meet up with Billy and his "wife". Personally, I just don't think it'll ever happen.

[Anotherkiwi]

Don't take this the wrong way, BillyB, but has A put on a bit of weight in the right places since your trip around the National Parks?  She certainly looks terrific.

[Lily]

I love her last photo! 
 
Please pass her my best Christmas greetings Billy, if it's appropriate

[BillyB]

  somehow I suspect that JonE was not being serious.

Jone was not serious when he said if he marries an FSU woman, she'll be like Mies? I took it as if he gave Mies a compliment. After he said that, he talked about me. I failed to see how he got from serious talking about Mies to not serious when talking about me. He's been on since you made your post. He's making no effort to validate your thoughts.

I truly hope you guys meet up with Billy and his "wife".

The only words coming out of your mouth from now on should be asking Daveman his bank info so you can wire him money and asking someone to represent you to meet me and my wife. You don't have to think it won't happen anymore. You and $5000 have the power to make it happen and when you are proven correct in your accusations, it won't cost you a dime.


I would not introduce someone I've never met on the internet to my wife without meeting them first but I can convince her there is a fool who wants to separate from his money and all we have to do is meet him at city hall, bring a marriage certificate, and have them verify that we are legally married.

Don't take this the wrong way, BillyB, but has A put on a bit of weight in the right places since your trip around the National Parks?  She certainly looks terrific.

How can I take any weight gain in the right places as an insult? But...my wife is currently hitting the gym. She watches her weight and won't let it get out of control.


I've notice out of the three photos, the photo with the "weight gain in the right places" got more views. I pay attention to those things since I'm interested in what people like to see. I do know my wife gets much more views than when I post a photo of myself. Earlier I posted a photo of myself standing next to the biggest tree in the world and a bear I shot in a much smaller tree got more views than mine. Maybe I need to gain some weight in the right places to boost my appeal?

I love her last photo! 
 
Please pass her my best Christmas greetings Billy, if it's appropriate

Anything coming from a lady like you is appropriate Lily but I won't relay the message. A knows I participate on a forum and she's had thoughts I may be talking to RW. It may be bad if I gave her a message from a RW. I've reassured her that this forum is mostly made up of men, I'm not homosexual, and that I come home to her every night so she gets all of me everyday.