What are Women from the FSU looking for in Men from the West

[Faux Pas]

Okay, then my saying that "I'm not sure if I'm ready for marriage at this point in my life" shouldn't upset anyone, right?  That's completely normal and understood by these girls, right?

Not at all. I'll slap you on the back and congratulate you for keeping your head about you. "Wife hunting" in the FSU will likely not have a happy ending in the long run.

Otherwise, it seems that these girls want a guy to fly over to them after 3 months, so that they can get to meet them.  And, also point out to me that long-distance relationships don't normally work.  That I would have to bring them here at some point.

Yes they do. Why shouldn't they expect him to hurry over? How long do you chat up and flirt with a local woman before you go out on a date with them? In the beginning it is long distance dating. When things work out then it becomes a long distance relationship. Many (most) do not work out in the long run beyond that. Some do.

But, can I just bring her here without getting married?  What about her visa?  If she's not employed or a student, then how is she going to stay?

She is not a puppy or a toaster oven from Walmart pemdas. For Americans, there is no return policy, no free trial periods. My advice is to not even think about "bringing her here" unless you find the woman you do sincerely want to marry and she does you. You found her, have spent many hours together, fostered and developed a deep meaningful relationship.

To do this it will require much time and expense on your part making the trips necessary to develop such a relationship. You might not have neither and it will require both. Be sure you are up for it, have the means and intestinal fortitude to pull it off or stay home 

[pemdas1983]

She is not a puppy or a toaster oven from Walmart, pemdas. For Americans, there is no return policy, no free trial periods. My advice is to not even think about "bringing her here" unless you find the woman you do sincerely want to marry and she does you. You found her, have spent many hours together, fostered and developed a deep meaningful relationship.

To do this it will require much time and expense on your part making the trips necessary to develop such a relationship. You might not have neither and it will require both. Be sure you are up for it, have the means and intestinal fortitude to pull it off or stay home 

I think that most guys in the US who are seeking a relationship with a woman from the FSU, would end up dating girls in the US during the intervals between visits. 
With that in mind, it seems that girls who eagerly wait for a guy in the West to come marry them have the risk of the guy getting serious with a woman back home.  Also, there's no guarantee for the guy that the girl isn't going to do the same thing to him.

[ML]

I think that most guys in the US who are seeking a relationship with a woman from the FSU, would end up dating girls in the US during the intervals between visits. 
With that in mind, it seems that girls who eagerly wait for a guy in the West to come marry them have the risk of the guy getting serious with a woman back home.  Also, there's no guarantee for the guy that the girl isn't going to do the same thing to him.

Yes, until an official engagement, both parties should continue on with a normal life.  Most of these gals do not just sit and wait for the western guy to propose.  They continue on with their normal dating patterns with the local guys.  And, no, they do not announce this.

[Faux Pas]

I think that most guys in the US who are seeking a relationship with a woman from the FSU, would end up dating girls in the US during the intervals between visits. 
With that in mind, it seems that girls who eagerly wait for a guy in the West to come marry them have the risk of the guy getting serious with a woman back home.  Also, there's no guarantee for the guy that the girl isn't going to do the same thing to him.

Why would you think that? Is that what you would do? Do you currently date multiple women at the same time in the US? There is no right or wrong answer to those questions just, a matter of who you are.

No matter whether there is an ocean that separates you are not, if you become exclusive with an FSUW, IMHO, be exclusive with that one woman. What you think "most guys" might do, is really of no consequence here guy and irrelevant.

The women in the FSU are not eagerly awaiting for you to come marry them. You are not a savior, you are not prince charming on the white Arrow Charger and most of all, most of them are not stupid.

pemdas, you are making a very freshman mistake of believing all the hype and propaganda from the marriage agencies/dating sites and forums. Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, in person. FSUW are women, different somewhat but not usually in the sense that you are understanding

[pemdas1983]

Yes, until an official engagement, both parties should continue on with a normal life.  Most of these gals do not just sit and wait for the western guy to propose.  They continue on with their normal dating patterns with the local guys.  And, no, they do not announce this.

That might explain why some of them are hesitant to let you see their facebook profile...  Even if it's in Russian, you could still maybe use Google to translate the page.  And, probably, things like "relationship status" and the generic profile stuff will show up in English for us anyways.

I really do think that integrating facebook into Russian Dating sites like how the "normal" dating sites do it, is a really good idea.  Both parties can check for psychos and con-artists, and maybe also see if someone is cheating on them abroad.  However, a person can still cheat without it showing up on facebook, as long as they or their friends don't post anything on their facebook that could give them away.

[Jumper]

That might explain why some of them are hesitant to let you see their facebook profile...  Even if it's in Russian, you could still maybe use Google to translate the page.  And, probably, things like "relationship status" and the generic profile stuff will show up in English for us anyways.

I really do think that integrating facebook into Russian Dating sites like how the "normal" dating sites do it, is a really good idea.  Both parties can check for psychos and con-artists, and maybe also see if someone is cheating on them abroad.  However, a person can still cheat without it showing up on facebook, as long as they or their friends don't post anything on their facebook that could give them away.

Relying even slightly on any social media to determine someone's ethics in a relationship is going pretty far out there.

RW being hesitant to give you their facebook page could be for 1,000 good  reasons..
the first being they may not have one.   why would they want one?
They have far more popular sites with more russians signed up already.


But lets be realistic here, if some RW you hit it off with online is really interested in you,
she actually wont be hesitant to share her profile on social media sites including facebook,
if she is, *she's just not that into you*
or just not at a point she feels comfortable sharing personal information, with you, which tells you a bit as well right ?

They aren't a different kind of woman.. lol
just like western women if they like you, they arn't going to hide their phone number or social media profiles.
but just like western women, they dont just want evey person on the internet to cal them or friend them either?

[pemdas1983]

Relying even slightly on any social media to determine someone's ethics in a relationship is going pretty far out there.

RW being hesitant to give you their facebook page could be for 1,000 good  reasons..
the first being they may not have one.   why would they want one?
They have far more popular sites with more russians signed up already.


But lets be realistic here, if some RW you hit it off with online is really interested in you,
she actually wont be hesitant to share her profile on social media sites including facebook,
if she is, *she's just not that into you*
or just not at a point she feels comfortable sharing personal information, with you, which tells you a bit as well right ?

They aren't a different kind of woman.. lol
just like western women if they like you, they arn't going to hide their phone number or social media profiles.
but just like western women, they dont just want evey person on the internet to cal them or friend them either?

Jumper, I don't know how old you are, but it seems that just about everyone has facebook these days.  I really preferred back in the days when it was only for college students, but now everyone has a facebook page which makes it less cool to me.

When facebook first started, many college students were hesitant to use it, because they didn't want be chased by some stalker.  However, facebook was for college students only and that limited who was allowed into the social network.  Plus, a person could control their privacy settings.   And, since it made communicating with your friends easier, most people eventually succumbed and began using facebook.

And, as far as putting someone on your friends list who isn't your "friend".  You apparently are new to the whole social media thing.  People on facebook and MySpace both would put people who they barely new or never even met in person on their friends list.  Sometimes, people would place random people on their friends list just to make them look "cool" or something.

I don't know how likely it is for a Russian person to have a vk.com profile and not have facebook profile as well.  I am willing to bet that most of them have both.  Facebook has grown in popularity, partly due to the apps that it has. 

facebook has the facebook API and they have a developers' version of facebook.  My "normal" facebook profile is completely separate from my developer's facebook profile.  Facebook offers so much documentation and support to developers who wish to create applications for use on facebook.

On the other hand, based on what I read on wikipedia (English version), it doesn't appear vk.com offers such support to developers.  From what I read, they just simply have some Flash applications on their webiste - nothing special.

As I already mentioned, facebook has tons of documentation and offers support to developers who want to create facebook applications.  Check out the following link to see the facebook SDK website:
http://developers.facebook.com/

[Jack]

I wanted to know what the average woman from the FSU looks for in a man from the West. 

A loving and caring father.

A good provider.

A faithful husband.

[BC]

A loving and caring father.

A good provider.

A faithful husband.

Agree.

Good to see you back Jack!

[BC]

A loving and caring father.

A good provider.

A faithful husband.

Wonder how that compares to what WM seek...

[Patagonie]

I think that most guys in the US who are seeking a relationship with a woman from the FSU, would end up dating girls in the US during the intervals between visits. 
With that in mind, it seems that girls who eagerly wait for a guy in the West to come marry them have the risk of the guy getting serious with a woman back home.  Also, there's no guarantee for the guy that the girl isn't going to do the same thing to him.

I wouldn't say that they would get serious with a local woman.
Men are men and women are women like ML said. It means that nobody, and especially on this site, would really tell you what they do during the intervals.
But there are two importants things to know. When you date  FSU women, when you know them and especially the type of personality they have you are less and less longer interested to invest time to find a relationship with a western women. It doesn't mean that they are not good western women, but more you go to FSU and more your chances to get a serious quality relationship are growing while locally you have more chance to stack  crashes stories with local ones. More serious you are in your endeavor and more you feel the gap during your search.
THe second thing is simple. When you are connected, and engaged, when you have agreed to aim for a unique relation it is not possible to have a regular other relationship locally WHILE you have an FSU women. It is true that , YES nature is nature, you can miss sex, but . You can find time perhaps to find a professional or have casual sex, but if you do this your demeanor, your endeavor is highly questionnable, let stay away the casual ONS.
When you both have agreed to sail for a unique relationship, it is a question of personal morale and values. Buy a mirror anc choice the one which fits you.

I am not saying, in accordance with ML, that you should get the engagement as soon as possible. Many guys, and especially WOVO guys try to hold the lady as possible. It is difficult to find the right tempo to do such a thing (agreing to sail both in a unique relation) and i am sure that women are more reluctant to sign promptly for it.

[Eduard]

This is how one RW describes happiness: Счастье — это когда в доме, в постели и в голове — один и тот же человек…
Happiness is when it's the same man in your home, in your bed and in your head (mind)

[Jumper]

Jumper, I don't know how old you are, but it seems that just about everyone has facebook these days.

It really doesn't matter how old I am? As i'm fairly in touch with current social networking sites..lol
i do have a facebook profile, have for a long time. though admittedly i rarely check out facebook.

You keep extending your western views into the FSU, as example:
that *most everyone* has facebook nowadays..lol
Now this might be accurate in the west?
but not in the FSU.
An FSU person might have facebook, but many many do not.
or arn't very active even if they do.
(exceptions exist, but those are exceptions to the general population)

I know it might be hard to fathom, lol, but Russian people have no real need of facebook? because they have their own russian version of such websites that are far far more popular .
because they are Russian language based.
it is that simple.

You really seem to want to convince yourself the majority of another cultures population would be on some english based website, simply because its popular in English speaking countries.

The vast majority of the population in the FSU does  not speak English.
They have extremely popular social media sites to hang out at, and do, it is just as popular in ther FSU to do so as it is in the west, but the websites are different.

my wife is 30,  all her friends are 22 to 42,
Most do not speak any english, and despite a few having some English skills, none of those women, including my wife ,have ever used facebook,
but they ALL have odnoklassniki.ru , mail.ru, or vokontakt accounts.
There is no a lack of interest in technology, cell phones, lap tops or social media in the FSU.
There is a lack of participation on primarily English speaking websites.

It is certainly true that you can find thousands of FSU people on facebook,
and the good part of that is most of them would have a decent grasp of English.

but you'd find  millions on russian language based sites.Its incredibly lopsided towards Russian language social media sites.

Simple question ,do you hang out on  social media sites based in a language you dont know?
Does that make sense?

Have you been to the FSU?
Do you know many FSU people?  The average citizens that generally don't know English?


Jack that replied here , spends a lot of time in the FSU,
ask him what websites your average devushka actually  hangs out at, and speaks with her friends on?

[Muzh]

Wonder how that compares to what WM seek...

Honestly????


Because I've seen wishes (demands) bordering into maids, sex slaves, flat top head women AND mute, etc.

[BC]

Honestly????


Because I've seen wishes (demands) bordering into maids, sex slaves, flat top head women AND mute, etc.

They keep dreaming....

[XMan]

Wasn't there as song out once entitled, "Love is Sex Misspelled?" 

I swing back and forth from cynical to intensely romantic. 
Perhaps it's my own special version of bipolar disorder. 

Men marry women hoping they won't change.
Women marry men hoping they will change. 

What both men and women seek versus what they settle for are two very different things.  On the ultra rare occasion that one finds what one is seeking, it generally turns out not to be the right thing anyway (aka be careful what you wish for).  And if one doesn't settle in some fashion, one will most likely remain alone.  Sic vita est.

What is sought by each sex also changes over time (in other words, it is age range dependent).  But again, I am speaking in generalities.  There are going to be plenty of folks who are outside the norm. 

I knew a guy in college who said, "the woman I am going to marry hasn't even been born yet."  Not that he was a whack-job or pedophile.  What he meant was that he was going to play the field until he was in his 40's and then marry a woman half his age.  But what he didn't get was that he would most likely be out of shape, have lost half his hair or more, gained 30 pounds, etc.  I lost touch with him, but I hope he made a LOT of money.  He needed it, I am certain. 

Which reminds me of a card I sent to another friend of mine once (which fit him perfectly).

I spent all my money on beer and women.
The rest I just wasted. 

And those are my thoughts at 1:00 in the morning in Ukraine.

P.S.  JR, don't know if you will see this post.  But I thought of you when I went to the craziest little circus ever.  An unbelievable female acrobat who also did a damned find belly dance in another bit later in the show.  She seems like your type.  Wish I had her number.  But I would have gotten myself in serious hot water trying to get it.

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[pemdas1983]

It really doesn't matter how old I am? As i'm fairly in touch with current social networking sites..lol
i do have a facebook profile, have for a long time. though admittedly i rarely check out facebook.

You keep extending your western views into the FSU, as example:
that *most everyone* has facebook nowadays..lol
Now this might be accurate in the west?
but not in the FSU.
An FSU person might have facebook, but many many do not.
or arn't very active even if they do.
(exceptions exist, but those are exceptions to the general population)

I know it might be hard to fathom, lol, but Russian people have no real need of facebook? because they have their own russian version of such websites that are far far more popular .
because they are Russian language based.
it is that simple.

You really seem to want to convince yourself the majority of another cultures population would be on some english based website, simply because its popular in English speaking countries.

The vast majority of the population in the FSU does  not speak English.
They have extremely popular social media sites to hang out at, and do, it is just as popular in ther FSU to do so as it is in the west, but the websites are different.

my wife is 30,  all her friends are 22 to 42,
Most do not speak any english, and despite a few having some English skills, none of those women, including my wife ,have ever used facebook,
but they ALL have odnoklassniki.ru , mail.ru, or vokontakt accounts.
There is no a lack of interest in technology, cell phones, lap tops or social media in the FSU.
There is a lack of participation on primarily English speaking websites.

It is certainly true that you can find thousands of FSU people on facebook,
and the good part of that is most of them would have a decent grasp of English.

but you'd find  millions on russian language based sites.Its incredibly lopsided towards Russian language social media sites.

Simple question ,do you hang out on  social media sites based in a language you dont know?[/b][/u]
Does that make sense?

Have you been to the FSU?
Do you know many FSU people?  The average citizens that generally don't know English?


Jack that replied here , spends a lot of time in the FSU,
ask him what websites your average devushka actually  hangs out at, and speaks with her friends on?

I keep arguing this over and over.  facebook comes in multiple languages.  The default language of facebook depends on what country you're in.  And, you can customize the facebook interface to have a different language.

A person wouldn't need to know English in order to use facebook, because it comes in multiple languages. 

Your argument that most people who use social networking websites in the FSU use vk.com over facebook, because of the language, is not valid.  If it is true that most of them don't, it's really not because of language.  At least, not now.

[The Natural]

Don't understand this, are you looking for a girl or are you pushing Facebook? Don't know about most Russian girls, but mine didn't open an account with FB until she got to know me.
 
Focus on real things is my advise to you if you're looking for real love.

[GQBlues]

The OP question was:

"What are Women from the FSU looking for in Men from the West"

Men who doesn't have a Facebook account. Or, at least one who isn't obsessed with having one and believes everyone should have one, too...

 

Maybe the moderators can clip/paste some posts in this thread to add to the one aptly titled: 'Facebook'?

[Handycam72]

I keep arguing this over and over.  facebook comes in multiple languages.  The default language of facebook depends on what country you're in.  And, you can customize the facebook interface to have a different language.

A person wouldn't need to know English in order to use facebook, because it comes in multiple languages. 

Your argument that most people who use social networking websites in the FSU use vk.com over facebook, because of the language, is not valid.  If it is true that most of them don't, it's really not because of language.  At least, not now.

Why do you have this obsession with Facebook? Is Mark still paying? 
 
You seem to have a very narrow mindset..........do you have any experience of other cultures besides that of USA and Facebook?
Have you been out of the USA before?
 
Accept that FB is not the be all and end all of social media.
 
VK, Odnoklassniki, Mail.ru (My World) etc are very popular in FSU............alot more than FB.

[Daveman]

Honestly????


Because I've seen wishes (demands) bordering into maids,

check...

sex slaves,

check!!

flat top head women

check!!!

AND mute, etc.

check!!!!


on a roll!

[Daveman]

I keep arguing this over and over.  facebook comes in multiple languages.  The default language of facebook depends on what country you're in.  And, you can customize the facebook interface to have a different language.

A person wouldn't need to know English in order to use facebook, because it comes in multiple languages. 

Your argument that most people who use social networking websites in the FSU use vk.com over facebook, because of the language, is not valid.  If it is true that most of them don't, it's really not because of language.  At least, not now.

They use them because THAT is what caught on over there. Yes, there are many Russian men and women on facebook now, but there are multitudes more who are not... and those who are do not necessarily log in or participate regularly, but do participate regularly on the others... because... that is where *their* activity is. Pretty simple..

[Jumper]

I keep arguing this over and over.  facebook comes in multiple languages.  The default language of facebook depends on what country you're in.  And, you can customize the facebook interface to have a different language.

A person wouldn't need to know English in order to use facebook, because it comes in multiple languages. 

Your argument that most people who use social networking websites in the FSU use vk.com over facebook, because of the language, is not valid.  If it is true that most of them don't, it's really not because of language.  At least, not now.

Yes its true, you do  keep arguing with people like mendy ,who are Russian,
telling you that the primary reason,despite the interface , is language.


I know a lot of FSU people, here and in the FSU, very few have facebook profiles or even any real interest in it.
Yes some do, those that do, are typically very  fluent in English,and that is not something that is  representative of the average FSU population.
The ones that don't have a profile on FB, don't care that it may or may not have a Russian language interface... because most of their friends are already on Russian language sites they are familiar with.
Also, they generally use their computers set on Russian language? can you imagine that?With Cyrillic characters.
Do you think they type in english ,or use latin characters, into the browser ,or  search?

Одноклассники - can you read that? would you go there in some social network search for friends?
It does have a Odnoklassniki.ru latin character URL as well.

You see it  doesn't matter if once an FSU person  gets to FB ,that it has a language interface,if its not listed in cryllic their home language to begin with?
Like most westerners are not going to type or search to find   Одноклассники
or use it, even if it had an english interface.. (mamba.ru /singles.ru is a good example.?)
unless they have a particular interest in single people that speak,,, you got it *Russian*

Granted I think FB will become bigger in the FSU,.
Did you know that Mail.ru (which i mentioned in another post )
has a substantial ownership in FB?(shares valued around 6 billion?)

So  if you think the reason is not language based, perhaps because FB and it's wonderful language interface wasn't marketed well there? yet, Well thats possible?

I happen to think its mostly  language  being the key reason for now, at least until marketing overcomes the issues.(and whats that issue? why arn't they effectively marketed there? lol nevermind..)

At any rate-
Lets just say that FSU people generally use other social networking sites rather than FB , for whatever reason.

How in the heck does the reason they prefer using other sites help you in anyway?


You can contact FSU people thru FB. So by all means do so,but at least recognize that many RW don't have a FB profile, while a lot of them have profiles on russian (and cryllic) based social networking websites.

Dude,  I have never met a RW that had a facebook profile.I know that many do, I have Russian friends on FB, but I never met them.(unfortunately)
Conversely,  I have never met a RW that did not have a odnoklassniki , vk, or mail ru account or profile.

As example:  I know two RW here in the states,(ok, one is my wife)
that went to the beach today,(I wish i din't have to work,bummer)
neither has a FB ,myspace, twitter or other US based account, yet speak good English.
I know , i know , that it just boggles the mind that they wont be posting up pics from the beach to me on FB, even with their English ability and FB's convenient Russian language interface-
Instead , they will inexplicably put the photos up on their myworld(mail.ru) or odnoklassniki accounts, or text message them. ...I

But you see bra, if you just go with the flow,and learn where the RW hang out,  it all works out? and since i'm all tied down, you can pull chicks from other sources besides the ol' shooting fish in a barrel, dating standby  FB..(hopefully that's in a language you can relate to)
Yes, that's probably a generational thing.. old man that I am.. 

[Jumper]

The OP question was:

"What are Women from the FSU looking for in Men from the West"

Men who doesn't have a Facebook account. Or, at least one who isn't obsessed with having one and believes everyone should have one, too...

 

Maybe the moderators can clip/paste some posts in this thread to add to the one aptly titled: 'Facebook'?

LOL  GQ, It could be merged somehow I suppose?
Despite having a moderator cape , I can't decide a good place within the thread to redirect it though.

For now, I'm still trying to work out how to write facebook in Cryllic,ok I know how to do that, so  rather i'm working out the  most accurate translation of the word facebook into Russian,  then  into Cryllic as it would make little sense otherwise..
You'd think those billionares over at mail.ru should be on top of that? Why do I have to do all that work for them?

[newjason]

LOL  GQ, It could be merged somehow I suppose?
Despite having a moderator cape , I can't decide a good place within the thread to redirect it though.

For now, I'm still trying to work out how to write facebook in Cryllic,ok I know how to do that, so  rather i'm working out the  most accurate translation of the word facebook into Russian,  then  into Cryllic as it would make little sense otherwise..
You'd think those billionares over at mail.ru should be on top of that? Why do I have to do all that work for them?

Hell, what does Facebook even mean in English?

Since Russian is a much more sensible language, one can not just hodge-podge words together and call them acceptable.( Although It would be nice and fun too )

I have translation suggestions..

If you believe what they claim...  it comes from  - Yearbook - Contacts. Since a yearbook is a book of head shots- or faces.  just Mash Book With Face and have a word FACEBOOK  that makes totally no sense at all linguistically. Since it is an New English Word - it may be translates as FACEBOOK or
maybe      лицокнига  ( litso kniga ) ?

some alternate suggestions...

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