What is the Girl to Guy Ratio Among Young Adults in the Former Soviet States?

[pemdas1983]

Is there a higher guy to girl ratio in the FSU than there is in America?

I read on a site that promoted "Russian bride" dating agencies, that there were more girls than guys in Russia (I assume that this might represent the other Former Soviet countries).  However, I read from somewhere else, that there were actually more men than women.  And, most men in Russia date women who are already married.

This seems to contradict what the dating agencies try to sell us.  However, I decided to look up the population statistics on the CIA World Fact Book.  According to the census, the ratio of men-to-women for all ages is 0.85.  This would mean that there are more women than men in Russia.

However, if you were to look at the different age groups, you'll see a different trend.  At birth, more males than females are born.  For ages below 15, the ratio is about the same.

When you get the 15 to 64, you see a decline in males and it appears that there are more females than males in this age group.  And, when you get past the age of 65, the number of males drops even more.

But, all that shows us (like in most countries) as people age, men tend to go first.  The median age for men is 35.5 years, and for women it's 41.9. 

What I'm seeing is that the reason why there are supposedly more woman than men in Russia is simply because women are out-living men.  For the age groups of 18 to 25, I'm willing to bet that the ratio is probably closer to what you see with those who are under 15.  And, from 25 to 33, it probably gets smaller but there might still be more men than women.

What does anyone else think?  Do you think that there aren't that many young Russian women compared to young Russian men?  What do you guys who have traveled to Russia or any of the Former Soviet states have noticed?

[Chemist]

Generally speaking,

The gender ratios in the younger age ranges (the age range where bride-seekers will likely be searching) are about equal.

You only see a large disparity in the older age groups.

I think marriage agencies bring up the issue because the age disparity on older age groups still has an impact on the younger generation (oh, and money  ). 

It certainly seems the case with RW I have corresponded with.   They are still convinced that there are more women than men the FSU, but perhaps this is because of compulsory military service of RM and that most of them drop out of universities to enroll in trade schools and other such endeavors while a RW tends to complete a University education.

A RW will also look at her mother or grandmother and see many of them divorced, single or widowed which may fuel the perception of a male deficiency.

RM also don't live is long as RW.  The disparity in life expectancies between RW and RM are among the largest among industrial countries.

Don't knock it.  All these factors certainly contributes to a much better dating experience in the FSU than in the west.

[ML]

Yes, from what I have read in various sources, you  are on the right track.

For the various age groups, the only place you will find women outnumbering men by a significant amount are in the older age groups, like above age 50 or so.

Thus, the agency hype is pure B.S.

For the 20 to 30 somethings that most guys here are chasing . . . there are just as many local men as there are local women.

[ML]

And, most men in Russia date women who are already married.

What ??????

[Turboguy]

I do think that it sometimes appears there are more available women than men in the FSU even though statistically that may not be true.  I think drugs and alcohol make a shortage of good marrige material among the men.  The other factor that may come into play is RW are less likely to have baggage or messed up lives than AW.   Often if you are dating mid to late 20's AW they have a child or two or more by a father or two or more where there are more women in the FSU who are looking for a husband but don't have kids yet or have one. 

[BC]

I do think that it sometimes appears there are more available women than men in the FSU even though statistically that may not be true.  I think drugs and alcohol make a shortage of good marrige material among the men.  The other factor that may come into play is RW are less likely to have baggage or messed up lives than AW.   Often if you are dating mid to late 20's AW they have a child or two or more by a father or two or more where there are more women in the FSU who are looking for a husband but don't have kids yet or have one.

TG,

This reeks of RW being some kind of angel.. There are some, but all are not.

FSU men are surrounded by good looking females.. They do just fine without resorting to marriage if their intent is to date and have a good time.  They are also vastly more experienced and probably have a knack of finding good ones when they do want to settle down and have the means to do so.

There is plenty of booze, drugs, baggage and poor upbringing / social issues to go around.  The typical FSU seeker is quite blind to most of this.. I'll even go as far to say that western women as a whole have less baggage.

[Slumba]

TG,

This reeks of RW being some kind of angel.. There are some, but all are not.

FSU men are surrounded by good looking females.. They do just fine without resorting to marriage if their intent is to date and have a good time.  They are also vastly more experienced and probably have a knack of finding good ones when they do want to settle down and have the means to do so.

There is plenty of booze, drugs, baggage and poor upbringing / social issues to go around.  The typical FSU seeker is quite blind to most of this.. I'll even go as far to say that western women as a whole have less baggage.

Would be interesting to know, how much time you have spent with the under-30s crowd in the US or Canada in the last 6 months, in social situations?  My guess:  very little.

[Chemist]

TG,

This reeks of RW being some kind of angel.. There are some, but all are not.

FSU men are surrounded by good looking females.. They do just fine without resorting to marriage if their intent is to date and have a good time.  They are also vastly more experienced and probably have a knack of finding good ones when they do want to settle down and have the means to do so.

There is plenty of booze, drugs, baggage and poor upbringing / social issues to go around.  The typical FSU seeker is quite blind to most of this.. I'll even go as far to say that western women as a whole have less baggage.

I'd have to say that my dating experience of AW and FSUW reflects Turboguy's experience very closely.

AW always seemed to have a reason not to go out with a guy, while FSUW are more easy going.

In addition, I'm within an age group where there seem to be a lot of single mothers which I'm not interested in.  Not to mention the obesity rate in this country really starts reducing dating prospects in America.  Even if we assume that the gender ratio is balanced in the FSU, there is actually a deficiency of women in America if you factor in various social and cultural issues.

[Turboguy]

TG,

This reeks of RW being some kind of angel.. There are some, but all are not.

My viewpoint is probably warped by my wife who is an angel but with a little bit of a devilish nature as well.
You have to admit that more RW than AW LOOK like angels.

FSU men are surrounded by good looking females.. They do just fine without resorting to marriage if their intent is to date and have a good time.  They are also vastly more experienced and probably have a knack of finding good ones when they do want to settle down and have the means to do so.

And can you say the same for American Men?  I think the fact that RM can get what they want with a variety of beautiful women makes them less interested in a perminant relationship and helps to increase the number of women who are willing to consider a foreign man.
 

TG,

There is plenty of booze, drugs, baggage and poor upbringing / social issues to go around.  The typical FSU seeker is quite blind to most of this.. I'll even go as far to say that western women as a whole have less baggage.

I guess it is a little of what you consider baggage.   Some men consider children baggage.  In the FSU women are more apt to get an abortion than in the USA.  In the USA banging out another child increases the welfare check and increases the amount they can get for foodstamps.  My own observations are there are far more women with no children or one child looking for a husband than in the USA.  When I first got divorced what I hoped to find was a woman who didn't have kids and wanted them or had one or so and wanted another.   I found that very hard to find.  I can't say it was hard to find in the FSU.

[Turboguy]

Would be interesting to know, how much time you have spent with the under-30s crowd in the US or Canada in the last 6 months, in social situations?  My guess:  very little.

Pretty close to zero Slumba.  Maybe one of my grandaughters birthday parties is the closest I could come.  I do spend a lot of time with my daughter who has two teenaged daughters and a son who just passed out of the teen years.   I do hear a lot of how life has changed, particularly in terms of dating, sex and relationships.  It is a far different world than when I was a teen ager.  It was virtually Victorian in those days.  The high school girls in those days wore round pins they called "Virgin Pins" which were supposed to symbolize that they were virgins.  Actually a girl who had sex in those days was almost considered ruined.   That all changed a few years later when the birth control became popular.

[Slumba]

Pretty close to zero Slumba.  Maybe one of my grandaughters birthday parties is the closest I could come.  I do spend a lot of time with my daughter who has two teenaged daughters and a son who just passed out of the teen years.   I do hear a lot of how life has changed, particularly in terms of dating, sex and relationships.  It is a far different world than when I was a teen ager.  It was virtually Victorian in those days.  The high school girls in those days wore round pins they called "Virgin Pins" which were supposed to symbolize that they were virgins.  Actually a girl who had sex in those days was almost considered ruined.   That all changed a few years later when the birth control became popular.

TurboGuy, thanks for responding (though I think I may have quote BC in my original post)...

I can tell you that, based on what I have seen amongst my nephews and nieces in their unguarded moments , it is almost COMPLETELY different. 

I don't feel comfortable posting about specific things told to me in confidence on a public forum, but the stories that seemed almost unbelievable to me before, now are commonplace. 

Hookups, friends with benefits, casual drug use, etc. you name it...

[GQBlues]

Pretty close to zero Slumba.  Maybe one of my grandaughters birthday parties is the closest I could come.  I do spend a lot of time with my daughter who has two teenaged daughters and a son who just passed out of the teen years.  I do hear a lot of how life has changed, particularly in terms of dating, sex and relationships.  It is a far different world than when I was a teen ager.  It was virtually Victorian in those days.  The high school girls in those days wore round pins they called "Virgin Pins" which were supposed to symbolize that they were virgins.  Actually a girl who had sex in those days was almost considered ruined.   That all changed a few years later when the birth control became popular.

LOL, So said a man from the make-love-not-war, hippie-woodstock generation.

[Turboguy]

LOL, So said a man from the make-love-not-war, hippie-woodstock generation.

Actually this was about a decade before Woodstock.  The hippie generation had not been started.  The few we had that came close were called beatnicks.  The world changed rapidly in the early 60's.   When I was in school if you offered to pay me $ 10,000 to buy some grass within two hours I would not have had a chance of completing that.  By the 60's it was hard to know someone who didn't smoke grass.    Young ladies were a lot different back then.   If I look back on my high school photos most of us looked like kids.  These days high school students are more like young men and young women (or not so young).  Probably from the growth hormones in our foods.
Woodstock was one of my big regrets.  I was in Eastern NY, near Woodstock and really thought about going but didn't.  I kicked myself for not going for a long time after that.

[mendeleyev]

We looked closely sometime ago here at the 2010 census for Russia. You can safely assume that population statistics regarding percentages would about the same for places like Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Bulgaria, etc.

As Chemist and ML have written, the numbers are very close in the age where people are marrying. The great divide (and it is closing) is when men and women reach middle age and higher, then the males thin out much quicker than the ladies.

If you're looking for a 65 year old Russian bride, then by all means use those agencies.

There is a lot of agency BS about "not enough men in the FSU" or "the men here are bad and so girls want a foreign man" or "birth rates of ladies outpace men," etc.

It is all BS. Hype. False advertising.

When you see an agency make these types of claims, "Run, Forest, run!"
     

[pemdas1983]

What ??????

Well, that's what I read from somewhere.  I don't know how true that source was, but it was written on some blog.  They were attacking the dating agencies' hype, by making it sound like that there are so few FSUW that the FSUM have to resort to dating married women.

[timinua]

In the FSU women are more apt to get an abortion than in the USA.  In the USA banging out another child increases the welfare check and increases the amount they can get for foodstamps.

In Ukraine, women now get 25,000 UAH for their first child and 50,000 and 75,000 (UAH, respectively) for their second and third. I have a student who is an OB/GYN. She said since the government started doing this (for the past 4-5 years) there's been a large jump in unfit (older, poorer, addicted) mothers.

I know the "one-child bonus" to be true (as in one actually gets it without too much bother) firsthand

[BC]

Of course dating in your own peer group in the US will be more difficult, for a number of reasons.

First as your age increases the pool of available women will naturally decrease.  After all people do get married and stay that way for a while or more.  Second, those divorced once or thrice on both sides may be bitter about the experience.  Marriage is the last thing they want to hear and instead is something to mention far down the road.  The 'good one's' per se are long gone.

Now instead of concentrating on women in FSU that are a generation younger, look around in your own age group.  Is there really that much difference?

Sure there are exceptions on both sides.

I visit the US at least every two years or so.  I did not see a scarcity of good looking women especially those a generation younger.  Many were married, some not, some kinda strange, some not interested and doing fine on their own with whatever types of relationships that suit their needs on the side.  Quite normal btw.

I did meet an astounding number of FSUW in the US that had relationships gone bad.  A large number were single..

Why?  I believe they were in a better position to evaluate the prospects available.. and are finding with their new knowledge that quite a few of the men are not quite up to their standards.. in other words their value set changed, raising the bar.  This may also be why some women may have second thoughts after settling in..  and eventually move on.

So.... your 'candy store' will disappear and hers will appear in short order.

If you are not actively and successfully dating in the US, or home country, it does not make much sense to head to FSU just because it appears to be easier.  The successful exceptions do not define a rule.

Dating and the honeymoon period (1 to 2 years) is the easiest part of any relationship.  Thereafter it will be much the same as marrying a woman at home, maybe even worse as reality sets in.

[vaiano777]

TG,

This reeks of RW being some kind of angel.. There are some, but all are not.

FSU men are surrounded by good looking females.. They do just fine without resorting to marriage if their intent is to date and have a good time.  They are also vastly more experienced and probably have a knack of finding good ones when they do want to settle down and have the means to do so.

There is plenty of booze, drugs, baggage and poor upbringing / social issues to go around.  The typical FSU seeker is quite blind to most of this.. I'll even go as far to say that western women as a whole have less baggage.

I do address this in my book. In fact, I tried to cover all of the things that you are talking about here in more detail. There is no Oprah or Dr. Phil here, so there is very little introspection by females on what might make a relationship work or why it might fail. If you are interested, send me a Private Message. I don't want to give out my blog and website as respect to this website. But, i think that our intentions are the same - to help Western Men - to prevent them from wasting time, energy, effort, and money in their search.

[Anotherkiwi]

...I don't want to give out my blog and website as respect to this website. But, i think that our intentions are the same - to help Western Men - to prevent them from wasting time, energy, effort, and money in their search.

Why not?  You've done that in just about every other post! 

[vaiano777]

Why not?  You've done that in just about every other post! 

Nice

[Haroon]

Hi

Personally i think it is perception.

In general all man an woman have the idea or perception that the grass is alway greener on the other side.. I feel we do this naturally as we HOPE for the best. And when we are fimliar with things and events and people and routines in our own lives an feel there is nothing more or no one for us we seem to focus in another area. Many a times this new focus is driven by the masses or rather the stereo types and marketing messages we seem have drummed into us from everywhere..Television, Magazines, adverts etc.

Like for example..
The stereo type that all Western men are wealthy and will look after their ladies ..a western man and the west a sign of prosperity..
Then the other...

All eastern block ladies are the sexiest sweetest ladies that need to get out of their country so bad and will marry a man from the west to escape the dreaded life back home.

Its all perception.. In the west and everywhere else in the world messages will be trimmed cut and chosen to suit the audience in that country.. for the west the ladies from Russia will show a beautiful young lady with a guy in his middle ages, or an average guy who we all know will never be able to be with an amazing lady now is holding the arm of one..

and back in Russia.. a picture is drawn in the mind that all western men are wealthy and perfect and rich and will be the ultimate man to raise a family with..

But in the end.. if this was all true don't you think that women from the west would see this and be with the men in the west...and the men in Russia would see the same thing you see about the woman in Russia and also be with them?

Its all perception and what you looking for based on what you feel your need and desire is.

If its spending a life with some..sharing caring exchanging ideas thought emotions and valuable moments that you want that it does not matter if you find it in the east west north or south.. life and love happens and you find it where you least expect it.. so whether you looking for ladies or men on this site or in your country just be honest and true to yourself.. dont go looking with a blind eyes but rather experience and live the moment and when you least expect it love with bite and take you on a journey you never thought you would be able to carry out on your own..

So forget the wrapping of the site and the information on stats and how many women to men ratios there are and the age gap it resides in....rather meet people, talk, exchange ideas have laughs and if its right it will happen.. don't go forcing any situation of love.. love is freedom and it is free to choose who it desires.

My 2c worth...

[Gator]

Haroon, good post for your first one with substance.  Are you in advertising where perception is everything?
 
It is not about how easy it is to meet a pretty woman,  but whether one of the women is ideal for you and likes you.

[Shadow]

It was virtually Victorian in those days. 

Considering your reputed age it was pre-Victorian

[Haroon]

Gator - lol.. thank you...

No.. will never make it in the world of media...

Just say.. people are driven by a thought process.. assumption, logic,  options, past experience to draw conclusions etc... just how we reason.. but you right..

 

[Ranetka]

Just say.. people are driven by a thought process.. assumption, logic,  options, past experience to draw conclusions etc... .

Can I meet these people too please?