Need help opposing immigrant's resident status

[jb]

Her own husband would have a hard time to get her deported even if his record was spotless.

Her own husband could not get her deported, spotless record or otherwise. She's a lawful, legal, permament resident, nobody can "get" her deported,,, period.  Her relationship to American is now between her, the courts, and the BCIS.

Her green card is good for 10 years, (and that's renewable), citizenship does not require a sponsor, she can petition the N-600 on her own. Upon approval she will be sworn in as a citizen by a judge and she's home free as long as she stays out of trouble with the law.

Even a K-1'er overstaying a 90 day visa has the same rights as a citizen and cannot be arbitrarily shipped back to her home country if she decides not to go.  Many of you guys thinking of bringing a woman over on a K-1 90 day trial marriage think you can just terminate the relationship and send her packing if things don't work out, you should remember, if she decides to stay, you have no authority or control over her.  She can self-petition under the thinest excuse and remain here for years, with or without you.

Supdood's situation is completely without merit, his lawyer buddy gave him totally bad info, (my guess is he doesn't practice immigration law).   He should go back and re-read Leslie's post.  Leslie has the right of it, everything else is just idle speculation and only someone with the IQ of a rutabaga would listen to such tripe. Any lawyer who would advise outside of his area of expertise doesn't know his ass from a moon crater.

Leave the woman alone, don't violate any restraining orders, and protect yourself against any criminal charges this woman files with a good criminal lawyer, but above all, forget about getting her deported.  Move to a new town, change your name, get a totally new zipcode, whatever.   Stay the hell away from her, she's bad news.

I had something like this happen to me only she was my Russian wife. It was for a protective order in a civil trial. I will spare you the details but she got it and was able to use this official evidence to self petition herself for a Green Card. I fought after this with the INS. Got I.C.E. (the investigative branch of the INS) to look into the matter and file a report. Bottom line the INS does not want to bother themselves with deporting women unless they commit a felony and the publicity from their lack of involvement would embarrass them. The other motive for deportation would be if they are in a large ring of marriage scammers and to bust this ring would help the ICE investigator's career.  That's the ugly truth about this.

But for you your main concern should be getting a good criminal defence attorney. Having this charge on your record is not something you want. Don't forget  the anger management classes and possible jail time. Most people get the first attorney they talk to even ones who have little or no trial experience defending men falsely accused. THIS IS A MAJOR MISTAKE. Don't worry about offending the attorney you may have already got if you decide to replace him with a top attorney specializing in these types of matters. It is better and cheaper in the long run to spend a good amount of money on a top notch attorney than look for a bargain. DON"T BE CHEAP!

Then you must insist on a jury trial. A bench trial before a judge is just a slow walk to a guilty verdict. Why? Well judges don't want to take a chance or appear soft on men accused of DV. Jurys on the other hand got better noses when it comes to sniffing out scheming women. With a "not guilty" verdict you give the judge his out.

If you can get her jail house marriage discussed without it being thrown out as irrelevant it says allot about her character.

Here's a site that has allot to say on this subject www.DVmen.com (or .org)

BTW welcome to RWD.

Maxx

[Rvrwind]

[user=687]Daknack[/user] wrote:

For the record anyone that knows anything about me, knows that I feel adultery should be made a criminal offense punishable with jail time.  So yes I agree this guy is a scum bag, also agree that if it were in my power his ass would be in jail then when he "got out" turned over to the husband for a little "street justice".  Both are scum bags.  I whole-heartedly agree with that assessment.

Isn't there some Asian Or Middle Eastern Countries that stone people to death for that!!! I know at one time there was, don't know if they still do.

I do take one issue with the concept of adultery in some cases however. A man cannot commit adultery with a married woman if she says 'No' and the same goes for women who commit adultery with married men. It IMHO is not the fault of the single outsider who takes advantage of the situation but the fault of the married party who has not the moral fibre to say 'NO!'. Just my 2 (Canadian) cents.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Turboguy]

Actually Rvrwnd, you almost have that correct.  It is not the married partner who shold say no, it is the women.   With the men, a high percentage of them will say yes to any opportunity, married, single, pretty, ugly, fat, thin. 

I can always remember a time in the service watching two drunk soldiers who were probably 8's as far as looks get into a big fistfight over some gal who had to top 350 pounds on the scale and was uglier than a horned toad.

[Turboguy]

This posted twice so I will say something different rather than just delete the post.

Actually the world is made up of three kinds of men.  70% of the guys will go after any opportunity to be with a woman, doesn't matter what she's like

25% Will only cheat with the ones that are at least above ugly.

The other 5% are guys like us who are interested in Russian women and once you have been around them you have no interest in anyone but your gal.

I remember a statement I made a long time ago that there were two types of men.  Those that cheat and those who have no opportunity to cheat.

 

 

[jb]

T/G

Actually, Rvr is 100% correct.   Everyone has the option of saying "No" when presented with temptation.  To say "Yes" is a sign of weak character.  You seem to believe that cheating on one's spouse is a normal part of human nature.   That's not a good omen.

[Turboguy]

T/G

Actually, Rvr is 100% correct.   Everyone has the option of saying "No" when presented with temptation.  To say "Yes" is a sign of weak character.  You seem to believe that cheating on one's spouse is a normal part of human nature.   That's not a good omen.

Actaully I was joking a bit with that post but one of the things in life that has surpised me is how many of the people who seemed like really straight shooters gave in to their weaknesses at some time in their life.

I can think of a lot of examples but one I will talk about was a friend from North Carolina.   He was very religious and went for a month to poor countries every year doing missionary work, he didn't drink.  I never saw him look at a woman.  I never saw him flirt and one time he confides in me that he and his wife were having problems because she had caught him cheating.

jb, you are a great guy but you take me too seriously sometimes.   I think there are two things.  What you observe about people and feel others act like and the standards you set for your own behavior.   If I do end up with someone I will be unlikely to give anyone enough encouragement to ever find myself in a yes/no situation but if I am the answer will be no.

I have made some mistakes in my life and done a few things I should not have but I have always beleived life is a learning experience and I hope to never repeat the same mistake.

 

[jb]

I think there are two things.  What you observe about people and feel others act like and the standards you set for your own behavior.

My standards of behavior are very simple, I like to be treated in the same manner I treat others... Ya know,,, the old Golden Rule?  Do Unto Others,, etc., nothing more, nothing less.  I don't think those are extra high standards.

FWIW, I do not take you seriously, I think it's nice that you think I'm a great guy, but that will not prevent me from telling you my honest opinion.   You didn't go to a priest, so you aren't after absolution.  You didn't go to a shrink, so you aren't after a warm and fuzzy, you came here, meaning you want the cold hard truth.  I think you are a seriously lonely 50-60 y.o. man with all the accompaning baggage that goes with where you are, and what you have to look at everyday as you get out of bed each morning.  I also think your fixation with much younger women will ultimately be your downfall.  Many guys here on this board and over on the RWG have attempted to give you the "heads up", Hellen especially, and you have ignored their best efforts.  How many times do you have to butt your head against the wall before you finally "get it"?  My best guess is that you will die a lonely, unfulfilled, and uneasy man, I think that's sad. 

You are beyond our best advice, your mind is made up, and you are running full speed ahead towards derailment with your next young chickie-babe.
 
Good luck with that.

[Son of Clyde]

I was reading the USCIS site and there are clauses in the immigration laws that cover spousal abuse and obtaining a green card. It seems it could be fairly easy, in some instances, to file trumped up charges against the man to get him out of the picture. So this law that was enacted to protect the woman can be used in reverse against the man. It is a good law if the abuse charge is legitimate and a not so good law if it is twisted on her behalf.

[Daknack]

For the record anyone that knows anything about me, knows that I feel adultery should be made a criminal offense punishable with jail time.  So yes I agree this guy is a scum bag, also agree that if it were in my power his ass would be in jail then when he "got out" turned over to the husband for a little "street justice".  Both are scum bags.  I whole-heartedly agree with that assessment.

Isn't there some Asian Or Middle Eastern Countries that stone people to death for that!!! I know at one time there was, don't know if they still do.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner
[/quote]
Yah most Muslim nations have laws like that (or of the type) In most cases they are only enforced on females (unfortunatly), but males that are busted with evidence get their pee-pees cut off (Ive actually seen footage dont ask me how).  Personally Id rather be stoned then have my pee-pee cut off.  There are some nations that have laws where the offened family rapes members of the offender's family as punishment (its legally done in trials) or where they punish them by marrying off daughters (to be provided for).

  As for Asian nations I dont know of any laws like this exactly but Im sure that it happens.

[PeeWee]

You wrote a letter to a man convicted of many crimes including solicitation to commit murders. You communicate with a married RW who seems in her own right to have a violent nature and is just dumb enough to marry a convicted felon. You place  yourself squarely in the path of two such people and hope to gain something from it? Why not take everyone's advice an quitely slip out of the back door? It seems that she will leave you alone if you leave her alone. If she has filed a court order and continues to communicate with you then she is a psycho and you are a fool to continue with it.  Let it go and fire your naive attorney.

 

Peewee

[catzenmouse]

As that wise sage Lynyrd Skynyrd said:

Gimme Three Steps Mister And You'll Never See Me No More....

Get on with your life and get over this fixation. Have no more contact with either of them. If you continue to push this I would lay odds that you are the one who will end up in trouble.

JMHO,

 Ken

[supdood]

In her defense, I don't think she had a clue of the man's troubles when she met him in Ukraine, and that she was easily convinced that his problems would be short-lived or easily resolved when she arrived here a year later, found him to be in jail, and married him there.  By all accounts, he's a nice person to know but obviously he was willing to act out on some of his kooky, dark ideations.

Believe me, folks, I take it to heart that I've been a fool for being intimately involved with a married woman.  It was so easy to see her as a tragic princess, not really married except on paper, and things just went their natural course from there.  I shoulda-coulda-woulda given her an ultimatum to either get out of that marriage or out of my life, but so many times my brain was overruled by my heart.

As for writing him a letter, well, to say it without being boastful, I just don't scare easily.  She expressed to me that she wanted to get out of the marriage but didn't know how to do so without causing so many other problems for herself, including fear of retribution from her husband.  So I wrote him a letter essentially asking that he let her go.  The result was that it backfired very badly, as her in-laws just increased the pressure for her to cease seeing me.

That, in my opinion, is the crux of the matter with respect to the protection order and all.  She ultimately had to secure the support of her husband and in-laws by playing the role of victim.  I'm sure, even if I cannot prove, that her immigration situation is her strongest motivation for keeping me at bay.  I know she has genuine concern for this hearing she has in June, though I really know very little about her status or how it is affected by the facts of her marriage.

Thought I might learn something on this forum, and I am.

 

[BC]

The results of a cross between white knight and sick pup..

If I were you I would change your password for the pics site.. never know who might be hanging around here or googles your email address and then starts drawing bullseyes..

This guy behind bars is royally pi$$ed I can tell ya..  you're showing where you live, your family, your friends, neighbors, cars, the layout of your house, where you like to go..... jeez surely you don't want other "kodak moments" taken by forensics.

[supdood]

BC, I edited the post with the photos link ASAP, realizing how much personal information was in the photo pages.

[Bruno]

BC, I edited the post with the photos link ASAP, realizing how much personal information was in the photo pages.

Supdood, forget these situation... after the audience for the protective order, close the book, don't start a new chapter...

Remember the own words from your ex ukrainian "girlfriend" :

"Tantri gryazine boytsya" ... [size="2"]Танки грязи не боятся! ... [/size][size="2"]Mud doesn't stop a tank![/size]
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Your are now in the the mud... go away from the mud now before the tank is coming :? or it will be to late :huh:


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[BC]

Good..

One thing members here should think about is to use different usernames for each discussion group they participate in.. try googling members names used around here and elsewhere and you can often find a lot of personal information.  You can also see what topics a user might be interested in...  

You might be surprised what you sometimes find.

.. No wonder the govt is so interested in search machine activity.

[rose]

Ok, here is one story about some Russian woman who came here a couple of years ago. She was married for 7 months, never slept with her husband, treated him badly. Finally, guy was fed up with it, filed for an anullment. Got it. But he also wanted to send her back, since she was interested only in green card, not him. In the court (he had 3) all jurges told him that they couldn't do anything to deport her. She filed documents for some change of her immigration status (she claimed that she was abused) and now she is staying here.
Another story: guy brought a girl more that 7 years ago, they got married. After 2 years he started emotionally abuse her, threaten that he'll go to INS etc. He sent her son back to Russia. She decided to stay and to get green card, because she wanted to bring her son to the US. 7 years after, her son is here, she was invited on the interview. Since he didn't sign her into any of his property the officer decided that he didn't have enough evidence that they are married. She still gathers more papers, and who knows what will happen next.
These are two true stories I've witnessed in the same city. In both cases I knew women and men (I helped to translate, so I saw how they interact).
Supdood, forget this gal, don't start soththing what can harm you even more than you've been already. No matter what you'll try to do, the result might be unpredictable. No logic in the action of INS officers I've never seen. Another thing, going to talk to the officer is hopeless.  Sometimes I wonder that they were specially trained how to interact with people in such way that after talking to them you'll have even more question that before.
 

[BillyB]

Welcome Rose,

Are you the same "Rose" from California who participated on another Russian Woman's forum a year ago?

[PeeWee]

Wouldn't you think that at some point the immigrations people should have stepped in and said, hey wait a minute we seem to have an immigrant...a K-1?...here ready to marry an incarcerated felon. What is wrong with this picture? And we now have to give up our records to potential female immigrants?

 

PeeWee

[rose]

Thank you, BillyB!
No I'm the other Rose.

[ConnerVT]

Wouldn't you think that at some point the immigrations people should have stepped in and said, hey wait a minute we seem to have an immigrant...a K-1?...here ready to marry an incarcerated felon. What is wrong with this picture? And we now have to give up our records to potential female immigrants?

He probably wasn't incarcerated when he filed the K-1 (and the background checks were done).  Do you think the USCIS keeps an hourly updated file on every person that files a form?  Or that local and state officials routinely notify the Federal government (or each other, for that matter) of each transaction they perform?

[al-c]

This is just a subset of the overall immigration thing being deplorable.

People who scheme and cheat, whether it is a RW who files false DV charges or a Latino who sneaks across the U.S.-Mexico border get whatever they want at our expense, yet people who follow the rules, come here legally, pay taxes and obey our laws get trampled on.

Doesn't exactly encourage people to obey the law, does it?

 

[supdood]

I was incorrect about her meeting her husband through an internet-based service.  I presumed this because of several conversations I've had with former friends and employees of her husband, all of whom had informed me that he was pretty busy on the web exchanging e-mails with FSU women prior to traveling to Ukraine in 2002.

Yesterday, however, I spoke with one Roman P. in Kiev, who told me he had been contracted as a translator for this man, ostensibly for business purposes, but that when he arrived in Ukraine he was very interested in meeting women.

So he was advised to check with an agency in Kiev, where he was able to select women he wanted to meet from catalogues.  The particular woman was a "friend of a friend" to Mr. P., so he could provide a loose referral for her to his client upon viewing the photos.  That was in August 2002.

He was arrested and released on bail in November 2002, then re-arrested and held without bail in April 2003.  She arrived here in July 2003 and they married in August over a telephone in jail.  It seems to me very much that he really wanted a young wife, and she really wanted to get out of Ukraine and come here.

I won't disparage anyone from their quest for love; reminds me of that old Hee-Haw song:  "I searched the world over and thought I found true love..."

One thread in this forum discusses the potential for an AM to find a better wife than he could find here, and for a RW to find a better husband than she might otherwise find there.  I can see the sense of equilibrium in that, except that I personally think there are plenty of very high-caliber people available locally in both regions.

I met this woman at a swimming pool, as if she were anyone else with whom I would start a conversation.  I was so impressed with her, and it was a very natural meeting and courtship, ultimately frustrated by her marriage.  I'm such a fool...

 

[Maxx]

Another story: guy brought a girl more that 7 years ago, they got married. After 2 years he started emotionally abuse her, threaten that he'll go to INS etc. He sent her son back to Russia. She decided to stay and to get green card, because she wanted to bring her son to the US. 7 years after, her son is here, she was invited on the interview. Since he didn't sign her into any of his property the officer decided that he didn't have enough evidence that they are married. She still gathers more papers, and who knows what will happen next.
These are two true stories I've witnessed in the same city. In both cases I knew women and men (I helped to translate, so I saw how they interact)

 
[/quote]

Why the first one skated on through and the other is struggling is because the first one claimed abuse and the other did not. The officer that denyed the one lady's petition would not be involved with her if she claimed abuse. In fact the Service Center (The Vermont Service Center) that grants the Green Cards does not even interview the women that claim abuse. They just grant the self petitions if they are properly filled out and documented. They do this so they can avoid costly and time consuming Immigration Court. It is a fixed deal.

Welcome Rose to RWD

Maxx