FSU-Women & FemDom?

[mies]

The husband is not; but the woman is a member of this forum who hasn't posted for quite a while.

oh really? How come you know whom I am talking about? I had no idea we have forum members like her here.

[ML]

oh really? How come you know whom I am talking about? I had no idea we have forum members like her here.

I am not the only one who knows.

And we actually have several like her on this forum, although most have been quite circumspect in their postings so as to hide their true character and intent.

This woman however, has told 'one fact too many,' so she can be identified.

[Daveman]

All relationships are transactional. They merely differ in the type, proportion and perception of values in the inherent (and variable) currencies.  We give what? We get what? 

Define the 'what' at any given moment and you have the currency of the transaction.

[Eduard]

All relationships are transactional. They merely differ in the type, proportion and perception of values in the inherent (and variable) currencies.  We give what? We get what? 

Define the 'what' at any given moment and you have the currency of the transaction.

Very true, Dave. The only difference is if you marry a woman with good values and morals she will WANT and NEED to pay you back with care, love, loyalty, devotion and respect for all the good things you do for her, your love, your support and your devotion. If a woman's values and morals are not that good she will take, take and take some more and give nothing or little in return.
This is why it is so important to really understand who the person you are about to marry truly is. From what I see, most guys who go the MOB route have no clue who they marry. Some just get lucky and marry a decent woman. Others just get used and discarded. In some cases they just use each other.

[ML]

This is why it is so important to really understand who the person you are about to marry truly is.

Good theoretical advice.

In practice,  impossible.

Yes, we can certainly try, and try, and try.

But beyond that . . . it is pure luck.

[Eduard]

PS
When you are with a decent, honorable woman the more you put in in the relationship the more you will get back. Sometimes a woman might not "get it" right away, so what you do is try even harder, instead of giving a 100%, give it 150% or 200%. A decent woman will finally get it and will make you a happy man. So please, do youself a favor and marry a decent RW. If you marry a user you will be one miserable SOB...

[ML]

So please, do youself a favor and marry a decent RW.

Again, great theoretical advice.  No one can disagree.

In practice, impossible to identify.

Try as hard as you might, take every precaution available, exhaust all avenues of care and investigation, be as loving as possible even at 200%.

Still, luck  will determine outcome.

[Eduard]

Good theoretical advice.

In practice,  impossible.

Yes, we can certainly try, and try, and try.

But beyond that . . . it is pure luck.

A man should do as much as possible to try and understand. sadly I see so many more concerned about saving a few $$... in most cases they pay later, in some cases they get lucky.

[Eduard]

Again, great theoretical advice.  No one can disagree.

In practice, impossible to identify.

Try as hard as you might, take every precaution available, exhaust all avenues of care and investigation, be as loving as possible even at 200%.

Still, luck  will determine outcome.

We need some element of luck in every aspect of our lives. Finding a life partner is not an exception. Still we should do everything in our power for a positive outcome.

[Daveman]

Again, great theoretical advice.  No one can disagree.

In practice, impossible to identify.

Try as hard as you might, take every precaution available, exhaust all avenues of care and investigation, be as loving as possible even at 200%.

Still, luck  will determine outcome.

A man should do as much as possible to try and understand. sadly I see so many more concerned about saving a few $$... in most cases they pay later, in some cases they get lucky.

We need some element of luck in every aspect of our lives. Finding a life partner is not an exception. Still we should do everything in our power for a positive outcome.

You guys are saying pretty much the same thing.  As ML is pointing out, there are no guarantees. 

There really is only 'risk reduction' which ultimately can never reduce any risk to an absolute zero.  The bottom line though is as with any venture in life.. the more time, effort, energy, etc one puts into something, the higher the likelyhood of a successful outcome.  And even with seemingly successful <fill in the blank> the Law of Entropy always applies.  STOP putting time, effort, energy into anything and it will deteriorate.

[Eduard]

Dave you da man!

[noelscot]

In a way, yes. Most of the MOB RW are "princesses" who believe they are entitled to meet their Prince Charming, but not all of them are "queens." Princess will whimper "next morning:" "my bed was so uncomfortable," the Queen will make her western husband whimper if she doesn't get what she wants. Here I am talking purely about psychological profiles, not sex plays. 

Sometimes women can take "dual" roles with different men. At the "russian brides" forum somewhere on the web there was a post recently from a woman who is married to the AM, for many years (10+). The AM took care of her and her son, raised her son as his own, now the son graduated from college and left their home. And woman cannot decide whether she should leave her husband or stay with him. According to her, her husband is a "hamster" - brings "goods"/income/everything home, and is meek and harmless. He also knows that he does not "deserve" the perfect woman like his wife, and worships her. This is why she chose him - because he does anything she wants and gave her everything she asked for, including college tuition for her son. She also has a long-term lover, who has 6 records of assault, battery, and assault with a deadly weapon. According to her - sex with him is unreal, and he wants to marry her and asks her to divorce her husband. But she likes the financial security of her marriage, and feels somewhat attached and grateful to her "hamster husband."
I hope this "hamster husband" is not one of our forum members. Otherwise I feel truly sorry for him, how he's being used by woman he probably loves. Maybe he even naively thinks "we passed the 10 year mark! She definitely loves me and isn't scamming me! We passed 13-year mark! Our marriage is a blessing!" (

what's the URL for this other forum?
 
regarding the "hamster" husband that sounds like it is pretty much par for the course for any man who doesn't behave like a RM with a RW.

[mies]

regarding the "hamster" husband that sounds like it is pretty much par for the course for any man who doesn't behave like a RM with a RW.

I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say, but there are RMs who are treating women well. Same as in USA and anywhere in the world there are good men and bad men. Same as there are good women and bad women.
I think men in USA are much more materialistic than RMs, and this is a huge turn off (at least for me it is). Frankly speaking - I hate it how materialistic many men are in USA. But, there is also a good side in WMs - more on it below.
Many WM clients in the MOB business, comparing to what's available to RW's locally back in their country of origin, are like thundelina's mole vs. the fairy-prince, - the fairy prince is a much more fitting and natural choice.
However, when I come to local gyms in USA, or when I walk the streets, when I look at my colleagues, - I am always amazed how attractive and athletic 30+, 40+, even 50+ and 60+ Americans are, comparing to people of the same age back in Ukraine and Russia. Also, American men are used to the feministic ideas, and therefore the American society in general is much more comfortable for women and doesn't have as much sexism as FSU countries do. So if I had to choose between the materialistic guy who treats me like equal, or a generous guy who lavishes his woman with gifts but treats her as an Untermenschen - I'd rather go for materialistic American. It's easier to deal with materialism than with sexual discrimination. On a second thought, I wouldn't go for materialistic guy either. It sucks to be treated like investment, or a "transaction." The problem with materialistic people is that they still view you as an object.
So if I were to compare AMs with RMs, I'd say that on average, AM look more attractive/fit/athletic, treat women better (basically treat woman as an {hopefully} equal adult and not an incompetent child), but are less sincere and are much more materialistic & calculative. RMs are more genuine, and show more care for woman, but the reverse side of this medal is that the woman doesn't have equal rights with her man.

As for the url - maybe ML can tell you is this forum participant.

[ML]

I think men in USA are much more materialistic than RMs, and this is a huge turn off (at least for me it is).

Remember the old Russian (at least as told too me) joke:

Man 1: If you had 2 million dollars, would you give me half?
Man 2: Yes.

Man 1: If you had two cars, would you  give me one?
Man 2: Yes.

Man 1: If you had two cows, would you give me one?
Man 2: Yes.

Man 1: If you had two bottles of vodka, would you give me one?
Man 2: No.

Man 1: Why not?
Man 2: Because I actually have two bottles of vodka.

[mies]

Remember the old Russian (at least as told too me) joke:

Man 1: If you had 2 million dollars, would you give me half?
Man 2: Yes.

Man 1: If you had two cars, would you  give me one?
Man 2: Yes.

Man 1: If you had two cows, would you give me one?
Man 2: Yes.

Man 1: If you had two bottles of vodka, would you give me one?
Man 2: No.

Man 1: Why not?
Man 2: Because I actually have two bottles of vodka.

That's a good joke, and maybe it's true among drunkards, but good RMs have less and give much more to their women than AMs. I cannot speak for bad FSUMs because I don't have close knowledge of them. 

I also probably need to explain that by "materialistic" I do not mean "stingy." I mean people with agenda and self-interest, calculative, and yes - materialistic too. RM can do completely irrational and very nice or sometimes crazy but fun things - just to impress their woman, or just act for the sake of the act. As in the Russian joke: "the rooster chases the hen on winter morning and thinks *even if I won't get her, I'll warm up*" In the AM's case usually it is "get it or forget it." AM know what they want to get, and they estimate how much time, money, and effort this "something" or "somebody" or "something from somebody" is worthwhile. Ultimately, I want to be with a fun person who is genuinely interested in me. So calculative and materialistic person who's trying to figure out what's the cheapest way to use me, or where they can get the biggest bang for the buck - wouldn't be my choice of man.

[Daveman]

...Ultimately, I want to be with a fun person who is genuinely interested in me. ..

I'm definitely with you there.  Fun would be one major relationship transactional currency for me.. 

[mies]

I'm definitely with you there.  Fun would be one major relationship transactional currency for me.. 

  it's easy to like and be used to good things...

[tsr1959]

I see discussion is running, but I will only post one information link to the thread and take myself back from the discussion. Thank you all for giving your opinions!

http://www.aboutflr.com/What-Is-FLR.html

[noelscot]

I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say, but there are RMs who are treating women well. Same as in USA and anywhere in the world there are good men and bad men. Same as there are good women and bad women.
I think men in USA are much more materialistic than RMs, and this is a huge turn off (at least for me it is). Frankly speaking - I hate it how materialistic many men are in USA. But, there is also a good side in WMs - more on it below.
Many WM clients in the MOB business, comparing to what's available to RW's locally back in their country of origin, are like thundelina's mole vs. the fairy-prince, - the fairy prince is a much more fitting and natural choice.
However, when I come to local gyms in USA, or when I walk the streets, when I look at my colleagues, - I am always amazed how attractive and athletic 30+, 40+, even 50+ and 60+ Americans are, comparing to people of the same age back in Ukraine and Russia. Also, American men are used to the feministic ideas, and therefore the American society in general is much more comfortable for women and doesn't have as much sexism as FSU countries do. So if I had to choose between the materialistic guy who treats me like equal, or a generous guy who lavishes his woman with gifts but treats her as an Untermenschen - I'd rather go for materialistic American. It's easier to deal with materialism than with sexual discrimination. On a second thought, I wouldn't go for materialistic guy either. It sucks to be treated like investment, or a "transaction." The problem with materialistic people is that they still view you as an object.
So if I were to compare AMs with RMs, I'd say that on average, AM look more attractive/fit/athletic, treat women better (basically treat woman as an {hopefully} equal adult and not an incompetent child), but are less sincere and are much more materialistic & calculative. RMs are more genuine, and show more care for woman, but the reverse side of this medal is that the woman doesn't have equal rights with her man.

As for the url - maybe ML can tell you is this forum participant.

my contention is that nice guys finish last.





follow a woman around like a puppy dog and treat her like a princess, then wait for the epic fail. no woman is going to respect a man who does not carry himself like a King.


RW have a whole different outlook than AW and an AM planning on dating RW should make friends with a RM so that he will know the mind of a RW.


no url for the other forum where the RW say what they really think about their foolish AM husbands? lol. 

[Eduard]

I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say, but there are RMs who are treating women well. Same as in USA and anywhere in the world there are good men and bad men. Same as there are good women and bad women.
I think men in USA are much more materialistic than RMs, and this is a huge turn off (at least for me it is). Frankly speaking - I hate it how materialistic many men are in USA. But, there is also a good side in WMs - more on it below.
Many WM clients in the MOB business, comparing to what's available to RW's locally back in their country of origin, are like thundelina's mole vs. the fairy-prince, - the fairy prince is a much more fitting and natural choice.
However, when I come to local gyms in USA, or when I walk the streets, when I look at my colleagues, - I am always amazed how attractive and athletic 30 , 40 , even 50  and 60  Americans are, comparing to people of the same age back in Ukraine and Russia. Also, American men are used to the feministic ideas, and therefore the American society in general is much more comfortable for women and doesn't have as much sexism as FSU countries do. So if I had to choose between the materialistic guy who treats me like equal, or a generous guy who lavishes his woman with gifts but treats her as an Untermenschen - I'd rather go for materialistic American. It's easier to deal with materialism than with sexual discrimination. On a second thought, I wouldn't go for materialistic guy either. It sucks to be treated like investment, or a "transaction." The problem with materialistic people is that they still view you as an object.
So if I were to compare AMs with RMs, I'd say that on average, AM look more attractive/fit/athletic, treat women better (basically treat woman as an {hopefully} equal adult and not an incompetent child), but are less sincere and are much more materialistic & calculative. RMs are more genuine, and show more care for woman, but the reverse side of this medal is that the woman doesn't have equal rights with her man.

As for the url - maybe ML can tell you is this forum participant.

I'd say a very good analysis, Mies! Bravo 

[Eduard]

That's a good joke, and maybe it's true among drunkards, but good RMs have less and give much more to their women than AMs. I cannot speak for bad FSUMs because I don't have close knowledge of them. 

I also probably need to explain that by "materialistic" I do not mean "stingy." I mean people with agenda and self-interest, calculative, and yes - materialistic too. RM can do completely irrational and very nice or sometimes crazy but fun things - just to impress their woman, or just act for the sake of the act. As in the Russian joke: "the rooster chases the hen on winter morning and thinks *even if I won't get her, I'll warm up*" In the AM's case usually it is "get it or forget it." AM know what they want to get, and they estimate how much time, money, and effort this "something" or "somebody" or "something from somebody" is worthwhile. Ultimately, I want to be with a fun person who is genuinely interested in me. So calculative and materialistic person who's trying to figure out what's the cheapest way to use me, or where they can get the biggest bang for the buck - wouldn't be my choice of man.

  and again, right on the money!

[mies]

follow a woman around like a puppy dog and treat her like a princess, then wait for the epic fail. no woman is going to respect a man who does not carry himself like a King.  >>> this is not true. And most importantly, when an old pauper carries himself like a young King - the sight is so sad that it's not even ridiculous anymore.


RW have a whole different outlook than AW and an AM planning on dating RW should make friends with a RM so that he will know the mind of a RW. >>> it's totally up to you who to make friends with. Maybe making friends with AW is a good starting point.


no url for the other forum where the RW say what they really think about their foolish AM husbands? lol.  >>> it's a large forum, and easy google search will yield you results. The word "assault with deadly weapon" are also easy to find. I personally, have no interest in helping you in your witchhunt .

[mies]

I'd say a very good analysis, Mies! Bravo 

Thank you, Eduard. You are the most kind. 

[newjason]

From what I can gather, the OP want's to offer a woman a position in his company as a way for her to seem independent from him.  That in itself voids the reality of the situation.
What is being discussed is Female Domination.
In any case, it is a fantasy and should be treated as such.
Having a paid parter to act as your Master is fine as long as both parties know what is expected and required from them. I think proposing this scenario to a normal person would be futile.
Perhaps the OP should first find a woman that has the ability to play into a fantasy of that scope.
If she is willing to be a Domme, then  she may just need a little adjustment or make-up / wig / and an accent to be the FSU Domme he is searching for.
My guess is that going into the FSU with such a submissive  demeanor is likely to get you Financially Dominated at the very least.

As an observation, the OP seems to have moved on and was growing weary of having the Topic Dominated and the Discussion got out of his control, so he boogied. 
Not a very good slave at all.
Tell him to get back here and listen like a good slave boy should.   

[tsr1959]

......
As an observation, the OP seems to have moved on and was growing weary of having the Topic Dominated and the Discussion got out of his control, so he boogied. 
.....

As discussion has left topic, I did not see the necessity for more input from my side. But I read as often it is possible for me.

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Tell him to get back here and listen like a good slave boy should.   

 

At first, I had never the intentions for being a "good slave".    I´m telling, that I am, but in truth I´m really not.

At 2nd: I obey (sometimes  ) my Mistress - nobody else.    I´m since young years very straight & commanding in business life as well as in private fields to friends. Positive feedback for my leadership is nearly daily a motivating experience.

BTW - I got interesting private messages from members, which are now recognizing their own situation in their relationships....