Marriage in Sumy Ukraine did end happy...NOT!

[IAmZon]

How can such a minuscule number of men actually destroy the female population of several countries?  What exactly are "professional bride seekers" anyway?

Similar to a bad fart ... hard to believe such a little amount, even diluted, can have such a revolting affect.

[Daveman]

Similar to a bad fart ... hard to believe such a little amount, even diluted, can have such a revolting affect.

Okay, let's say we have a bad fart.  Explain the process of what you think is happening to entire populations of women. Or are you describing the process of agency girls becoming jaded? 


We both (you and I) have been there. I'm trying to understand where our perceptions diverge and why it is that we seem to see that world very differently.  Perhaps we are actually viewing (and describing) different aspects of that world.

[Faux Pas]

Well, there is an ton of fantasies to go around in this pursuit. 

You have to be cocky, gullible, or naive - or, a mixture of all three to get fired up about all this and roll the dice in the first place.  Of course, Eduard slants his statements in the positive for him.  But, he also says many true things.  The dating sites, the tour companies, hell 90% of the women ... all of their statements contain a slant.  At least, he seems to get his clients in greener pastures - that is no small accomplishment:)

Well you're still here and if your prior post is any indication, your going back? So, which one are you? I don't fault Ed embellishing and slanting his method and livelihood. However, his statement above doesn't border on bullshit, it's an outright lie.

There have been many successful marriages that overcame communication issues that some was a breeze, hard work and some pure luck. Categorizing them all as pure luck is pretty disingenuous at the least. Sure Eduard says some true things. Most everyone here does, even you but, Ed has a penchant for stating some out and out bullshit as well. He's a paid wingman who also does translation and fails to recognize there are other methods to the madness that work equally well or better than his particular services. In fact, I recommend Eduard's services for you 

I am sincerely recommending Ed if you are truly interested in finding a wonderful, sincere woman for a relationship. You would strike me as a guy who could benefit from such a service.

[BillyB]

Someone fixed the title of this thread so it now makes sense.
 

Why Re men so stupid to think that these women are warm and fuzzy and are looking for love!

Call me "stupid"!
 

I can't believe this! People are asking what the early warning signs were! I will tell you! Women from the Internet from these countries are scam artists full stop!

What's your story enigma? Sound's like you had more than one bad experience to label all RW on the internet scammers scam artists full stop! Or maybe you meant non stop?

[newjason]

Hey Mr ghowellb

I have some questions for you.
You claim you were scammed, well looking at that girls profile, I would like to know ...
What is your age ?
What is your occupation?
What is your hook? ( hook meaning, what do you have that is so very special that other men do not have that would attract and keep a young girl with you)
What is your level of education?
What is your dating/marriage history?

I assume that you went to Ukraine looking to get married asap. Sounds like you did that. Now you claim SHE is a scammer?
comon now.  What is the scam exactly...

[Chelseaboy]

Eduard,
           I will accept your statement that "there are millions of awesome,beautiful,sincere,goodhearted women in Russia ( who are not part of the MOB scene ),and i notice you wasn't talking about Ukraine.
 
However,how many of the women you mention are seriously interested in marrying a foreign man ?
I suspect women like that very quickly get snapped up by the local guys.
 
 

[Eduard]

Eduard,
           I will accept your statement that "there are millions of awesome,beautiful,sincere,goodhearted women in Russia ( who are not part of the MOB scene ),and i notice you wasn't talking about Ukraine.
 
However,how many of the women you mention are seriously interested in marrying a foreign man ?
I suspect women like that very quickly get snapped up by the local guys.

I was instructed to not "hijack" this thread so I responded to your question here:   http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15181.0

[IAmZon]

We both (you and I) have been there. I'm trying to understand where our perceptions diverge and why it is that we seem to see that world very differently.  Perhaps we are actually viewing (and describing) different aspects of that world.

Some points of clarification to better define generalities / stereotypes:

Most of the single men that travel to Colombia, or Ukraine, no matter what the various reasons may be to justify the journey, are seeking the affection / love of a woman, or women.   Baked into these chance encounters, or planned meetings is an universal inference/truth ( The man is rich, and has choices and liberties in life; which give him the chance for a healthy, happy, safe, and fulfilled life.   The woman is poorer, and has less choices and liberties in her life; which without luck, leave her with a smaller chance to find a happy, safe, and fulfilled life.) 
- PLUS, cultural disadvantages of women. 
- PLUS, the fast aging process of a hard life. 
- PLUS, the attitude of men with little hope in life.

So, why are strangers from afar, many of whom are good men, with only the best of intentions, seen in many of these places to be some form of "spoiled opportunists" - or worse!  Dangerous deviants?  Excellent Question! 

In Colombia, Cali was the epicenter of Romance tours 10 years ago. That place is mellowed in its reception to foreign men.   Most people assume a gringo is there to meet / marry a latina.   There is no bad will in Cali, per se.  People just are very aware that the man is paying for everything from food, to taxi, so a quick and friendly lines forms.   A slang sentence meaning "he has too much money, or he is stupid with money" can be heard under their breaths. (Not admirable and respectful)

In Medellin, Colombia, the affect of gringos has been much worse, almost universally so.  The women in Medellin are just as pretty as anywhere I have ever been.  But, most of the beautiful women are poor and uneducated.   There is an HUGE amount of woman accepting "sponsorships" from men.  Then, the gringos / back packers came in, and transformed the city of 2 million (even though this is a small percentage of the city).  I have lived in Medellin for 6 months over the last 2 years ... it is DAMN hard to find a woman that knows the difference between a truth and lie - "gringo affect"

I incorrectly assumed thought far fewer people traveled to Ukraine.  Europeans, Turkish, Indians, Middle Eastern men, are beating feet through every marriage agency in that country. It creates the same narrative as what I described above.

We Americans specifically are guilty as a group of:
1, Being pretentious and thinking we are better then the people in foreign countries
2, Thinking that any man earning above average income is richer than any man in the city he is visiting
3, Having obviously unrealistic expectations - age and beauty.  And, we are terrible superficial.
4, It only takes a handful of examples of an American being course, or rude, or unkind, or perverted to set a precedent (unfortunately there are MANY)
5, We do not spend nearly enough time meeting and knowing the woman / friends / family with whom we are romantically interested.
6, We travel in herds, and are visibly uncomfortable in strange environments, and too vocal and bold with in small groups.
7, Overpaying, over-packing which reinforces the image that we are materialistically spoiled (and for some reason that is interpreted as "greedy" / ungenerous)
8, Prematurely expressing love and serious intentions (in an unnatural / in human way).
9, We overvalue beauty.  So, a young woman, uneducated, with bad manners, ethics, and morals, becomes the "hit of the social, or dating site" When in reality, she is low class.
10, Oh yea! We are fat and dress wrong.

Taken in total there is a clear feeling of "exchange" or "transaction" that is created.  The community responds accordingly.  The women in agencies / online sites find themselves in a form of social auction.  Most of the winners take advantage.  Most of the losers become disillusioned.

==  I do not intend to be overly critical.   It is just the reality of things as I see them ==

AND EVEN THEN ... there is enough truth for the fantasy to be based in truth.  There are well meaning successful men that can not find a preferred mate in the USA.  There are exceptional beautiful women there that can not find a preferred mate. 

** And, I must say, that I was not SCAMMED, or taken advantage of by any of the professional marriage agency service providers I met.  In fact, I continue to speak with many, and consider them to be friends. My comments here deal with the generalities of things.

[Doll]

I can't believe this! People are asking what the early warning signs were! I will tell you! Women from the Internet from these countries are scam artists full stop! Why Re men so stupid to think that these women are warm and fuzzy and are looking for love! They Re hard and calculating and couldn't care less about honor and honesty! You can not fall in love with someone you haven't met and do not really know!

Then do not go there! Stay where you are and date locals!
Who are you to generalise ?
Stay where you are.
 Мля
 

[ML]

You can not fall in love with someone you haven't met and do not really know!

First time I have ever heard that.  Really screws up my dreams.  Thanks a lot.

[Doll]

clever RW predator

[Doll]

First time I have ever heard that.  Really screws up my dreams.  Thanks a lot.

[Doll]

Eduard,
           I will accept your statement that "there are millions of awesome,beautiful,sincere,goodhearted women in Russia ( who are not part of the MOB scene ),and i notice you wasn't talking about Ukraine.
 

By "Russians" Ed means FSU (there is no difference ). You can as well talk of Belorussia, Moldova, etc. Doesn't matter.

[Doll]

Sumy is more then you think. They have a lot of clubs that go from 10 PM
to 4 AM in the morning. They have dating sites on web to hook up with each
other. It is not a back ward town. Good luck  and I have not given up yet. I
would not have been able to get devorce with out help of Agency Director.  Stay
away from this person she is a very bad peson and dangerous.

Guys, what does it mean?
Sumy is not backward, so what? Did he want something backward?
One more question- what does Agency Director have anything to do with dEvorce?
 
OMG!

[Eduard]

One more question- what does Agency Director have anything to do with dEvorce?
 
OMG!

They are probably a full service agency and provide services from introduction to divorce and everything in between.   

[Doll]

They are probably a full service agency and provide services from introduction to divorce and everything in between. 

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Do they help with babies too? How nice of them! hahhaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Eduard]

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Do they help with babies too? How nice of them! hahhaaaaaaaaaaaa

do you mean delivering or making babies?

[CDW]

Eduard,
           I will accept your statement that "there are millions of awesome,beautiful,sincere,goodhearted women in Russia ( who are not part of the MOB scene ),and i notice you wasn't talking about Ukraine.
 
However,how many of the women you mention are seriously interested in marrying a foreign man ?
I suspect women like that very quickly get snapped up by the local guys.

The women prefer Manchester City boys 

[Doll]

do you mean delivering or making babies?

Both! Full service needs to be full or your money back hahahaaaaa!
They probably have their return policy as well.

[Doll]

 Seriously, Ed! You need to think of more features of your service, you don't want to be behind Sumy 
Let me know if you need a helper. I'll take divorces over.
Haha

[Eduard]

I'll take divorces over.
Haha

Hasn't been the need for that yet but if and when it does happen I'll make sure to send them your way! 

[Doll]

Deal. Also, I will hekp with instrustions how to raise kids.