After a little experience, but still a long way from "MARRIAGE"

[Gator]

And, MY past life is not important to me when it comes to a list of what I am looking for in a woman.   It is HER'S.  How many men really know the score, and have walked down the aisle?  (I am just saying).

I am not being critical, but asking you if you really want a traditional life when you have not lived it fully.

[IAmZon]

this is not honesty. This is the perverted attempt to justify own inadequacy. But then, expecting respect for women from a pimp would be unrealistic, won't it

CUROIOUS!?!?!   Where is your partner in crime.  I presume she will show up any minute now claiming that I just made land with a fresh batch of human beings to sell.  Then, a couple of the men/women will chime in with a tisk tisk. VERY CURIOUS ????

I am very polite in person. I think you would be surprised.  However, when greeted with incivility from anonymous avatars, I tend to be blunt, perhaps even rude.   How much do you weight exactly, my dear?

[Muzh]

OMG, this is the most outrageously stupid thing I've read on RWD to date. What a pig!

Now, come on. Stop beating around the bushes and tell us exactly how you feel. 

[Jumper]

Many of the women here where I live are in fact from Moscow.
 
Interestingly, many of them have found their way here from all over the United States.
 
Not just Florida.
 
Also, the number (%) of physical and mental abuse stories are staggering.
 
GOB

weird.


I live in as city/region with hundreds of thousands of EE people.
The vaste majority of those women make their choices of men the same as if they still lived in their home countries, standards havnt magically changed by relocation.


no they may not want small rural farm life as they dint have that in their home country..
some do enjoy that ..and we know many happy couples.
We know very very few people in any type of abusive relationship (and none physical)

[Muzh]

CUROIOUS!?!?!   Where is your partner in crime.  I presume she will show up any minute now claiming that I just made land with a fresh batch of human beings to sell.  Then, a couple of the men/women will chime in with a tisk tisk. VERY CURIOUS ????

I am very polite in person. I think you would be surprised.  However, when greeted with incivility from anonymous avatars, I tend to be blunt, perhaps even rude.   How much do you weight exactly, my dear?

Listen sweetheart. Do you really think the stuff you wrote that incurred the wrath of pitbull was an honest assessment of reality?

Are you claiming that bright and educated and independent women will morph into a blob of fat?

Really?

And you are surprised at her reaction how?

[GoodOlBoy]

weird.


I live in as city/region with hundreds of thousands of EE people.
The vaste majority of those women make their choices of men the same as if they still lived in their home countries, standards havnt magically changed by relocation.


no they may not want small rural farm life as they dint have that in their home country..
some do enjoy that ..and we know many happy couples.
We know very very few people in any type of abusive relationship (and none physical)

You know Jumper, strange you said this. I have been told by some outsiders (police officers, etc.) looking in, that Sunny Isles Beach and it's FSU inhabitants is starting to resemble Brighton Beach (and in not a good way).
 
GOB

[Daveman]

Let's not let the thread spiral and wind up being locked.  Relax and challenge the posts...

[IAmZon]

Are you claiming that bright and educated and independent women will morph into a blob of fat?

NO!  I would imagine a bright, educated women would read my observations for what they are - observations based in facts and reality.  I am simply observing on the nature of things.  I did not make the rules!

If a person can eat cake with little motivation not to eat cake ... many people eat two pieces, maybe 3, or 4.  NO?  We see this in first world countries EVERYWHERE.  MEN and WOMEN. 

If a woman does not NEED to look feminine, or behave feminine - and these things take time and effort - will she? 

I think no, for the most part. 

I had a nice conversation with a Ukrainian student who was delightful and very intelligent.  She said that in a perfect world all the women would not wear high heels and be fat and happy.  The truthfulness of this statement seems self evident.

[pitbull]

If women were given the greatest amount of education and freedoms and choices as possible (something I am certainly NOT against), human beings end up with .... modern day American, United Kingdom, and Norway.  The women and men are very equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy.  The next step may well be for all of us to lay in bed and get hooked into some imaginary machine, where we are all beautiful and stay young forever?

Okay,
so the official RWD position is "there is nothing offensive in this". Saying that providing education, choice and freedom to women degenerates a whole society and turns everyone into fat, lazy slobs?
There is just one logical step from this into "Let's take back their rights, including voting and education, and make them sit at home, make kids and serve their husbands. This will turn our society back on track".
Coupled with the persona of the OP.
Since this sort of narrative is condoned by the board, I no longer wish to be associated with the place.
Will delete my profile shortly.
Godd luck.
 
 

[Daveman]

...

If women were given the greatest amount of education and freedoms and choices as possible (something I am certainly NOT against), human beings end up with .... modern day American, United Kingdom, and Norway.  The women and men are very equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy. 

First, are the men and women in these areas NOT equally equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy?  The statistics would support this in USA and UK.. don't know about Norway...


SO, how, exactly, is this offensive to women?

[GoodOlBoy]

Also Jumper, there are women that my wife use to be friendly with here, but will have absolutely nothing to do with them now.
 
I have asked her why, for some reason she just doesn't want to tell me??
 
GOB

[Muzh]

Let's not let the thread spiral and wind up being locked.  Relax and challenge the posts...

It's okay, I said my piece. I don't have anything else to add since it would be redundant.

Nothing more than the witness above.

[Jumper]

You know Jumper, strange you said this. I have been told by some outsiders (police officers, etc.) looking in, that Sunny Isles Beach and it's FSU inhabitants is starting to resemble Brighton Beach (and in not a good way).
 
GOB

GOB that's interesting they would make a comment on it?




I was refering to Chicago.. several regions are predominately EE.. and can run the gamut from poor ares to very good areas.


as far as the local mixed culture couples we know of , most generally avoid other Russians.

[GoodOlBoy]

Will delete my profile shortly.
Godd luck.

I certainly hope not!
IMHO, we cannot afford to lose a valuable member like Pitbull.
 
GOB

[Daveman]

Okay,
so the official RWD position is "there is nothing offensive in this". Saying that providing education, choice and freedom to women degenerates a whole society and turns everyone into fat, lazy slobs?
There is just one logical step from this into "Let's take back their rights, including voting and education, and make them sit at home, make kids and serve their husbands. This will turn our society back on track".
Coupled with the persona of the OP.
Since this sort of narrative is condoned by the board, I no longer wish to be associated with the place.
Will delete my profile shortly.
Godd luck.

The official position of RWD is the same it has always been...  RWD members are responsible for content within the confines of the ToS..  it is not up to RWD itself (a venue) to challenge an opinion.  It neither condones nor condemns, neither agrees nor disagrees.

[Muzh]

First, are the men and women in these areas NOT equally equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy?  The statistics would support this in USA and UK.. don't know about Norway...


SO, how, exactly, is this offensive to women?

Daveman, think for a second.

Why the obesity epidemic?

Do you really think that smart and educated women would be so easily steered into this massive consumption of food and no exercise?

Who are the "victims" of overeating and having a sedentary life?

All I know is that educated and  smart women are not.

What they represent is a challenge to the "Head of the household" and that scares many guys.

I mean, look at the comments recently posted. "Traditional" women, slim and wearing high heels while cooking tasty dishes, no? Any more brain cells and that would disqualify them from the ticket to Shangri-la.

[Daveman]

Daveman, think for a second.

Why the obesity epidemic?

Do you really think that smart and educated women would be so easily steered into this massive consumption of food and no exercise?

Who are the "victims" of overeating and having a sedentary life?

All I know is that educated and  smart women are not.

What they represent is a challenge to the "Head of the household" and that scares many guys.

I mean, look at the comments recently posted. "Traditional" women, slim and wearing high heels while cooking tasty dishes, no? Any more brain cells and that would disqualify them from the ticket to Shangri-la.

And NOW someone is challenging the content of the post ...      

[Ade]

First, are the men and women in these areas NOT equally equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy?  The statistics would support this in USA and UK.. don't know about Norway...


SO, how, exactly, is this offensive to women?

I agree with Pit. Riv's statements are asinine, ignorant, chauvinistic and incredibly simplistic. But I'm not shocked or surprised as I wouldn't expect much more from him really.


FWIW, Norway is one of the most gender equal countries in the world and men and women here are generally fit and healthy. Trying to make a negative association there is just bizarre beyond belief.

[IAmZon]

Gender Equal = Gender Confusion.  Men are sort of women.  Women are sort of men.

Do you really think that smart and educated women would be so easily steered into this massive consumption of food and no exercise?

Who are the "victims" of overeating and having a sedentary life?

All I know is that educated and  smart women are not.

What they represent is a challenge to the "Head of the household" and that scares many guys.

I mean, look at the comments recently posted. "Traditional" women, slim and wearing high heels while cooking tasty dishes, no? Any more brain cells and that would disqualify them from the ticket to Shangri-la.

You jump to conclusions on presume to know my motivations (and, then many of the women here ... well, behave as women.  HAHAH   Which is not a bad thing. )

Gender and Roles have taken 1,000 of years to create, and they are being redefined in 20 - 30 years.  You think I am saying ONLY woman are a,b,c ... men have changed too into x,y,z.  Society has changed too!  Of course it is possible to live a happy life - many do so.  But, there is more than enough confusion to go around.  And, Fatness and Laziness too.

[Daveman]

I agree with Pit. Riv's statements are asinine, ignorant, chauvinistic and incredibly simplistic. But I'm not shocked or surprised as I wouldn't expect much more from him really.

Ade, this is irrelevant to the discussion and focuses on the poster rather than the post.. the point I've been trying to drive home thus far...

FWIW, Norway is one of the most gender equal countries in the world and men and women here are generally fit and healthy. Trying to make a negative association there is just bizarre beyond belief.

Now we have something that's related to the content of the post...


One can say he's ignorant, pimp, pig, etc... which of no real value..


Or one can attempt to prove/show it... which makes for a decent thread and discussion...

[Misha]

Sorry to burst any bubbles here, but there are PLENTY of FSUW living here in Sunny Isles Beach and the majority of them would NEVER settle for the average Joe living on a farm in Iowa again....Ha Ha Ha!

Many of them will also stay single as well I wager    Women, in turn, can have unrealistic expectations IMHO, until they too realize that the average Yulia won't have any more luck finding the hot young and rich studmuffin than poor average Joe finding happiness with a Russian bride in Iowa   

[Turboguy]

Okay,
so the official RWD position is "there is nothing offensive in this". Saying that providing education, choice and freedom to women degenerates a whole society and turns everyone into fat, lazy slobs?
There is just one logical step from this into "Let's take back their rights, including voting and education, and make them sit at home, make kids and serve their husbands. This will turn our society back on track".
Coupled with the persona of the OP.
Since this sort of narrative is condoned by the board, I no longer wish to be associated with the place.
Will delete my profile shortly.
Godd luck.

I don't think there is a single one of us including Rivardco who wants to take education and opportunity from women.  One of the things that attracts us to RW is that they are often smart and educated.  I also don't think there are many of us who would perfer a wife who is fat, sloppy and dresses like a man either and that is common in the USA.  I don't think it is that they have education or job opportunites, perhaps it is because there is little competion and women have a lot of romatic opportunities.  I have seen many, many times when a fat woman gets divoreced and suddenly goes on a diet, gets her teeth fixed, starts dressing better and feels a need to look nice.
We consider you a valuable member of the forum and really hope you stay.  I always enjoy your posts.
 

[Turboguy]

FWIW, being a bit older than some of you I can remember when women did stay home, take care of the kids, wash clothes and feed their family.  I won't say obesity wasn't a bit less then but there were still lots of overweight women.  I don't think that is the answer.  If I had to pick something to blame it would be the auto.  Places where women are thinner often corelates to places where they walk and take the bus.

[ML]

I also don't think there are many of us who would perfer a wife who is fat, sloppy and dresses like a man either and that is common in the USA.

My Gal works out in the yard wearing my old jeans and shirts.  She has to fold the waist of the jeans up several inches and it looks pretty silly when she is getting dressed in the garage, but then she wears the shirt out, so doesn't look too bad.

Quite unlike most of the FSUW most of you men have met.

But she can get dressed to the nines when we go to restaurant and theatre, and look like a million bucks.

[IAmZon]

Upon reflection...

However, when greeted with incivility from anonymous avatars, I tend to be blunt, perhaps even rude.   How much do you weight exactly, my dear?

I am sorry that I wrote the above comment.  I am guilty of adopting an overly strong response to the personal comments and attacks I receive here.  The statement was classless and low.  I apologize.

=====

Again, however, you are presuming that I am an advocate for a woman to be an "object", and a man to have all the control in a relationship.  It is true that in the modern world of gender equality, something has been lost I think. Maybe some disagree?

When I have been in the company of good, normal families in the Dominican Republic, Colombia, Ukraine, and other places, I have noticed desirable characteristics of a "traditional family structure."   The women have an important job - one that the female gender is best at.  The men have important functions too (and yes, in these cases there is a strong leadership responsibility).  The children are MUCH better behaved socially - obedient and respectful.   These are generalities, but generalities grounded in truisms.