After a little experience, but still a long way from "MARRIAGE"

[Misha]

[size=78%]First, are the men and women in these areas NOT equally equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy?  The statistics would support this in USA and UK.. don't know about Norway...[/size]

I will point out that all the statistics from the USA indicates that men suffer from much higher levels of obesity than their female counterparts    A thin American man would therefore have less of a challenge finding a slim woman than a slim woman finding a slim man if we rely on the population stats 

[Misha]

[size=78%]Matching her background to your own is probably much more sensible than dragging a woman from say, Moscow, to small town USA... [/size]

It doesn't hurt, but there is no guarantee either. A woman from a small Russian village yearning for the big city bright lights won't be any more content in small town USA than the woman from a large city who seeks the same. However, a woman from a large city who wants something different, may be very happy living in a smaller city or even town if she found the right man...

[Misha]

If women were given the greatest amount of education and freedoms and choices as possible (something I am certainly NOT against), human beings end up with .... modern day American, United Kingdom, and Norway.  The women and men are very equal, fat, and rather sort of lazy. 

I have to agree with pitbull, this is an odd statement that is certainly tinged with misogynistic undertones. Also, it is completely unfounded. If one simply takes a cursory look at the American demographics, I am relying on stats I have seen, not lived experience, you will see that that the women are thinnest precisely in those states and regions where they are most educated, and generally earn more. The states where divorce rates tend to be lowest, as well as the rate of teen pregnancies, are your "blue" states where IIRC the obesity rates tend to be the lowest... In other words, this pretty much contradicts everything that you are saying about the USA and I am not even looking at the data from the UK and Norway 

[ML]

It doesn't hurt, but there is no guarantee either. A woman from a small Russian village yearning for the big city bright lights won't be any more content in small town USA than the woman from a large city who seeks the same. However, a woman from a large city who wants something different, may be very happy living in a smaller city or even town if she found the right man...

My Gal from big city Kyiv is very happy in our small University village.
And at my home out in the country, we can't even hear another automobile unless it comes down the long lane to the house.

But we can get to a very large city in one and half hour.  Don't go often, but its there when the need arises, which isn't often because national and even international touring performances come to the University.

[IAmZon]

I have to agree with pitbull, this is an odd statement that is certainly tinged with misogynistic undertones.

It was a lazy post that concluded upon the most base - that we who have choices tend to over-indulge and become physically fat and lazy.  I could have applied more effort to state the point more poetically, and gracefully.  My conclusion however would have retained the same misogynistic tones.  Because, I do think that there are side affects to progress and advancement.

I am not against progress, or evolution.  Maybe 300 years from now, human beings will all look like large hairless rats.   In such a world I would prefer not to have bathing suit competitions. (see! there goes my misogynistic undertones again:)

[CanadaMan]

Ade, this is irrelevant to the discussion and focuses on the poster rather than the post.. the point I've been trying to drive home thus far...


Now we have something that's related to the content of the post...


One can say he's ignorant, pimp, pig, etc... which of no real value..


Or one can attempt to prove/show it... which makes for a decent thread and discussion...

Daveman what if Ade had left off the first part of his post?
What if he just posted the second part that showed Riv is ignorant and ended it with "This shows that Riv is ignorant".

Would that be board-approved? 

[CanadaMan]

 Travel to Russia is taunting, the place is getting damn expensive, and there is more than a little anti-American sentiment in the air.  I WONDER WHY there is not more activity in Slovakia, Poland, Latvia, Estonia? 

Perhaps you meant to say "Travel to Russia is daunting..."?

[Daveman]

Daveman what if Ade had left off the first part of his post?
What if he just posted the second part that showed Riv is ignorant and ended it with "This shows that Riv is ignorant".

Would that be board-approved? 

Actually no.. even that is a violation of the ToS as is your clever circumvention attempt by posting it third party style.. 


Basically anything about the poster is not board approved. A lot of leeway is given around here, obviously, in the spirit of debate, however, in those areas where there is a history of rapid spiraling threads, there is less.




RWD never has and never will (nor will I personally) condone the repression or subjugation of women.  That being said, I do think it could have made for a good discussion which may have lead somewhere interesting...

[Eduard]

Perhaps its because the women from these countries are part of the EU and can literally go where ever they want already. Why would they need a WM?

Hmmm... only if you presume that all women want is to get out of their country and use a man in order to accomplish that...

[Eduard]

It doesn't hurt, but there is no guarantee either. A woman from a small Russian village yearning for the big city bright lights won't be any more content in small town USA than the woman from a large city who seeks the same. However, a woman from a large city who wants something different, may be very happy living in a smaller city or even town if she found the right man...

+1

[Daveman]

It doesn't hurt, but there is no guarantee either. A woman from a small Russian village yearning for the big city bright lights won't be any more content in small town USA than the woman from a large city who seeks the same. However, a woman from a large city who wants something different, may be very happy living in a smaller city or even town if she found the right man...

Of course there are no guarantees.  It stands to reason that the highest percentage chance of finding a woman who would be happy in rural situation would be to find one currently happy in such a situation (happiER if she found her partner)... sure, the possibility does exist that a city woman would be happy living in the country but to me that's more like looking for a needle in a haystack rather than looking for a needle in a needlestack.   The logistics of searching the needlestacks could be rather daunting though.

[Misha]

Of course there are no guarantees.  It stands to reason that the highest percentage chance of finding a woman who would be happy in rural situation would be to find one currently happy in such a situation (happiER if she found her partner)... sure, the possibility does exist that a city woman would be happy living in the country but to me that's more like looking for a needle in a haystack rather than looking for a needle in a needlestack.   The logistics of searching the needlestacks could be rather daunting though.

Trying to find the right woman is always comparable to finding a needle in a haystack. I stand by my point: there is no guarantee that a woman from a "village" would automatically be happy in an American small town and there is no reason why a woman from a city can't be happy in something less than a metropolis. You have to know what a woman wants for the future, not her past and the trick is getting to know the woman and what she wants out of life.

[Daveman]

Trying to find the right woman is always comparable to finding a needle in a haystack. I stand by my point: there is no guarantee that a woman from a "village" would automatically be happy in an American small town and there is no reason why a woman from a city can't be happy in something less than a metropolis. You have to know what a woman wants for the future, not her past and the trick is getting to know the woman and what she wants out of life.

I certainly agree there.  The problem, as I see it, is that realistically speaking, she has no idea what it will be like and is working with her fantasies whereas one from a rural area does know.  It a higher risk proposition.  Love is great and all of that, but if her real world doesn't live up to her fantasy world expectation I think the chance is high the relationship/marriage will die (unless he is willing to move to a more acceptable location).  Since many women who are in the big city actually came from rural areas, perhaps some of those would also be tired of the hustle and bustle and be ready to get back to their roots. 


Admittedly though, I'm far from being an expert on the topic but rather working with what makes the most sense to me.

[Misha]

[size=78%]The problem, as I see it, is that realistically speaking, she has no idea what it will be like and is working with her fantasies whereas one from a rural area does know.  [/size]

Dave, have you ever been to a Russian or even Ukrainian village? And, no, a dacha does not count.

[Daveman]

Dave, have you ever been to a Russian or even Ukrainian village? And, no, a dacha does not count.

Limited experience.  My wife grew up in and is from a very small town in the mountains of Western Ukraine (relocated to Donetsk).. I've spent time there with her and her family/friends.  Seemed very similar to rural areas here in parts of Georgia (except the roads were even worse), almost identical to the mountains of Georgia and Tennessee.  There are single ladies in that small town who like it and I'd bet would be open to the possibility of living in a rural area in the US or Canada, or anywhere else with the right guy.  The logistics of FINDING them would be daunting.


I'm not sure how the question relates... why would that matter?

[Misha]

I'm not sure how the question relates... why would that matter?

Simple, people make assumptions about the women in villages and small cities, yet invariably have zero experience never having actually visited a village, let alone spent any real time in a village.

[Daveman]

Simple, people make assumptions about the women in villages and small cities, yet invariably have zero experience never having actually visited a village, let alone spent any real time in a village.

Well, I think we just tossed 'invariably' out of the mix. 


Certainly assumptions are made...about city women as well -- which may very well be one reason why there are so many in Miami.    But even so "assumption" doesn't necessarily equate to "false". 


I'm sure there will be a Miami man who will bring an RW over at some point and she'll run away into the countryside, complaining about city life! 


From my own experience with RW, the Green Acres type scenario would be more exception than rule AND a westerner marrying a rural RW is even more exception than rule but perhaps it shouldn't be.  She can already catch that scraggly chicken! 

[Ade]

This must be the equality derived obesity in Norway that Riv was talking about;


http://muliloaboutthings.blogspot.ca/2011/06/street-fashion-oslo-and-not-only.html


http://www.google.no/search?q=oslo+girls&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=gVFlUK_XE-bw4QSUpoHoBw&ved=0CDwQsAQ&biw=1662&bih=935


lol

[Konfushus]

If a woman does not NEED to look feminine, or behave feminine - and these things take time and effort - will she? 

I think no, for the most part. 

If she enjoys being "feminine" absolutely yes! If she's "feminine" because she NEEDS to, do you really want to bring this type of woman to the US? It won't last.

If this is a worry, find a feminine woman in the US. There are many.

[Konfushus]

LOL at Pitbull's outburst. In the truly most "traditional" societies women are fat, definitely by our modern standards. Why be so upset with what rivardco wrote?

[Shadow]

But we can get to a very large city in one and half hour. 

The joys of time and distance.... one and half hour would be needed to go from one part of Moscow to another.
But in one and haf hour from my current location (which is a village even though we are both cityfolks) I can reach 5 countries....

[Ade]

Whatever provocative statements I have made are a result of my real world observations on the relative value of Being a Man - and the relative value of Being a Woman - in places outside the USA.  These are real observations, not manufactured for the sake of ratings.  These changes likely will cause social unease for a generation, or more.

Some people can observe until the cows come home but they still only perceive what they want to see . 

[Muzh]

Do you want a forum full of very uncertain (at least incomplete) men seeking a fantasy in some far off land? Do you want a forum full of "men apologists" (it seems to me what some of you women like the most)?   

LOL, and how would you know that?

As for me ... I would prefer this forum be a place of honest and frank discussion.   A comparison of ideas and experiments of living.  I have never thought much of judging other.  I do not want to walk in another person's shoes; but I am interested to read comparisons.  That is what brought me here.  That is the material of which we see too little in my humble opinion.

If I honestly express my disgust to things you say, would that be a frank discussion?

You seem to believe that because you have traveled to 2nd and 3rd world countries meeting young and impoverished girls on the guise of looking for "the one to marry" you feel you have acquired this "worldly" status among your peers.

I'll let you in a little secret.

You can put lipstick and pearls on a pig and it will still be a pig.

[Ade]

LOL, and how would you know that?


If I honestly express my disgust to things you say, would that be a frank discussion?

You seem to believe that because you have traveled to 2nd and 3rd world countries meeting young and impoverished girls on the guise of looking for "the one to marry" you feel you have acquired this "worldly" status among your peers.

I'll let you in a little secret.

You can put lipstick and pearls on a pig and it will still be a pig.

And here's my +100 right back at you.

[Ade]

The point of this matter is the one Ade made upthread...

Yes, you seem to be great at that Dave.