The truth about Odessa and Lugansk!?

[Marian]

I read now many Threads in this forum.And everytime when it comes to Odessa and Lugansk the members are warning about those Citys.
Is there are reason for this or whats wrong with those Citys.
Are there more organized scams in those towns.Does someone know whats behind those many warnings to trust those girls which live there (pro-daters,ecorts and so on).

[Turboguy]

Lugansk was the hot spot for scamming agencies quite a while back.   I don't think that is the case any more.   I have been there.  There are some good agencies there and some nice women that are very serious about finding a husband.  Actually because men tend to avoid the city I think someone who goes there might find less competition and find it a good spot to go wife hunting. 


Odessa was never famous for bad agencies but there seems to be a higher ratio of women who are serial daters and scammers.  There are some good women there and there are men who have found their wife there but all in all I would recommend someone to look elsewhere.  The city has a lot of appeal as a tourist destination and enough men go there that the women seem to be either more spoiled or less honest.  I have never been to Odessa but I have been past the outskirts of it.  All of the bad stories I have heard gave me no desire to go there.

[ML]

Yes, Turbo has the right scoop on Odesa . . . and I have been there and experienced the women first hand.

Odesa is the only city in all of Ukraine that I would advise to avoid.

[Anotherkiwi]

Yes, Turbo has the right scoop on Odesa . . . and I have been there and experienced the women first hand.

Odesa is the only city in all of Ukraine that I would advise to avoid.

Yes and no...the local women I have no experience of, other than seeing so many beautiful ones as I wandered around the city, but from a tourist's point of view you really DO have to visit if you end up in southern Ukraine.  You can easily spend three or four days seeing the sights - if you have someone with you (not necessarily a native of the city!) all the better.  Remember that, if you do end up with a Ukrainian or Russian bride, she will think more of you if you know something about the culture and history of her country, rather than just knowing where to find every McDonald's in Kyiv or Moscow.

[noelscot]

I read now many Threads in this forum.And everytime when it comes to Odessa and Lugansk the members are warning about those Citys.
Is there are reason for this or whats wrong with those Citys.
Are there more organized scams in those towns.Does someone know whats behind those many warnings to trust those girls which live there (pro-daters,ecorts and so on).

Usually Eduard will come along and say what I am about to say, but it looks like he's gone fishing today.
 
Why limit yourself to Ukraine? It's not difficult to get a visa to Russia. If you've never been to Ukraine, you are in for some real fun. It's easy to get into Ukraine for a reason....
 
Of course, if you're really wise you'll take a nice vacation to the Bahamas, soak up some sun, and forget about all this stuff. lol.   

[mendeleyev]

Odessa is an odd place for wife hunting. It was a port city when first established by the Tatars and named after the ancient Greek city of Odessos. It was a port city when part of the Turkish/Ottoman empire, it was a port city when part of Lithuania, a port city when incorporated into the Russian empire, a port city during Soviet times, and today it remains a port city.

My point being thus:  The women of Odessa have had a long time, indeed a very long time, to hone their skills of separating sailors from their money. While there are decent ladies there, the problem is for a bride seeker who is naive of the language and culture to try and not be taken just like the sailors have been for hundreds upon hundreds of years.

Hats off to the few who have been successful. The infrequent guy who ends up with a wonderful lady from Odessa is fortunate, in fact he is the exception that proves the rule, and thousands of other guys will be separated from their wallets in the meantime. Odessa is a great place to visit as someone said previously, with someone else as a place to vacation.

Additionally, as Noelscott mentioned, why not Russia? Ukraine's population is 45 million or so and Russia's is at 148 million. Lots more choice and less competition from Western men in most Russian cities.

If you can't afford a Russian visa then you can't afford to be separated from your wallet in Odessa either. A 3-year multi-entry visa is just $180 and the Consulate Visa Center service fee is $ 30.00. I don't know the cost of a "invitation" since I don't need one when renewing a visa but from past experience can tell you that a honest travel agency that does business in Russia will/should give that at no charge when you use their ticketing services. The online visa services act as if it's gold plated but in reality the invitation is nothing more than a letter on their letterhead that is spit out of a computer all day long.

[Marian]

I was thinking yesterday about this whole online Dating stuff and came to the result that it could be better for me to check some of those Agencys locally.
For the first steps in this direction I should make some holidays in one of those Ukrainian/Russian Citys to get a first impression of the Culture of those Countrys.
I´m sure it´s better to stay in contact with a local Agency instead of writting hundred of Letters to girls which dont know what they really want ,earning money via chat or marry a men from abroad.

[Stirlitz]

Mendy has a good point
I have been to nearly all big cities in Ukraine (there are 25 of them). For some reason, Lugansk is one of the three I have never visited (the two others are Lutsk and Ivano-Frankovsk). I can say that scammers are everywhere though in big cities the ratio is indeed higher, but Odessa is not exceptional in this respect.
However, what I can tell you for sure women in Odessa are the most beuatiful in Ukraine. Yes, they are smart and some turn to scamming but this also has a good side: smart ladies, when they are sincere, are much better than not so smart ones... I also think that women in the Crimea are generally beautiful, yet they are not as smart. So Odessa is the best choice in my view.
Having said that, I like it when my clients travel elsewhere as I like to travel too and see new things, new people. Then I come back and see that I was right. You can say that I praise Odessa because I live there. No, it is the other way around: I live there because it is worth it! In fact, 8 years ago I decided to move to the Crimea and bought property there. I still live in the Crimea... a week in a month on the average but I always come back to Odessa. The best city in Ukraine as far as I am concerned.

[Marian]

Usually Eduard will come along and say what I am about to say, but it looks like he's gone fishing today.
 
Why limit yourself to Ukraine? It's not difficult to get a visa to Russia. If you've never been to Ukraine, you are in for some real fun. It's easy to get into Ukraine for a reason....
 
Of course, if you're really wise you'll take a nice vacation to the Bahamas, soak up some sun, and forget about all this stuff. lol.

At the Moment I make no diffrence between Russia or Ukraine.I know its a mistake.But I have to get more Informations about this "men marry a women from abroad stuff" and after that I like to seperate those Countrys and the Women which live there.

[ECOCKS]

Re: Lugansk


Buyer Beware stands. There are stories of more criminal activity in these two cities than some other places in Ukraine and it is worth noting that the incident a year or so ago where the City Council member (and son of a Parliament Deputy) beat up a woman then dragged her around a restaurant by the hair for 20 minutes or so occurred there in Lugansk.


Odessa's reputation as a port and tourist city led to a higher incidence of HIV, more prostitutes (they are literally walking the streets there) and probably gives the city a bit more to do if you are into serious clubbing and partying than others except for Kyiv.


If you follow the Commandments, have your head on straight (no blinders) and are honestly looking for a spouse instead of a trophy, you can find one in these cities as easily as many other places in the country.

Re: Russia vs. Ukraine


I didn't see any particular need to go to Russia although the first gal I met (in Seattle) was from there.


To me it was simply a question of "Why go there when Ukraine was easier to get into?' It doesn't make any difference (to me) whether it costs $1 or $10,000 more, takes 1 day and 1 stamp or 3 weeks and 4 FedEx envelopes more, whatever. Why spend even an hour more time on a visa application or wait for stuff to go through the mail if you don't have to?


It was a consideration that several tens of millions more of those women are considerably more difficult to get to (check ports of entry, then look on the map for places like Sochi, Novosibirsk (sp?), Samara, Omsk, Magadan, etc.)


My feeling overall was that if you cannot find a woman in a country of 48 million, what is the point of going to one with three times the population and more steps/costs for entry and travel when you don't have to?



To each their own though....this is one of those discussions that just goes on and on.....

[ML]

Very good logical objective analyses by Mendy and Ecocks.

As to Stirlitz's claim re greater beauty of Odesa women . . . I didn't notice such, and I have been there 3 times.

If you read a lot in many sources, watch a lot of programs, listen to a lot of people who have traveled the world, listen to natives from particular countries and cities . . . you always hear the claims that the 'the women in that city are the most beautiful in the world.'  None of it holds water in my view.

[ghost of moon goddess]

At the Moment I make no diffrence between Russia or Ukraine.I know its a mistake.But I have to get more Informations about this "men marry a women from abroad stuff" and after that I like to seperate those Countrys and the Women which live there.

There is no difference between RW and UW. We FSU women are thought to be such a PITA  and  terrible drain on strength

May I ask you a personal question? Why are you considering finding a woman outside Austria?

[Patagonie]

Re: Lugansk


Buyer Beware stands. There are stories of more criminal activity in these two cities than some other places in Ukraine and it is worth noting that the incident a year or so ago where the City Council member (and son of a Parliament Deputy) beat up a woman then dragged her around a restaurant by the hair for 20 minutes or so occurred there in Lugansk.


Odessa's reputation as a port and tourist city led to a higher incidence of HIV, more prostitutes (they are literally walking the streets there) and probably gives the city a bit more to do if you are into serious clubbing and partying than others except for Kyiv.


If you follow the Commandments, have your head on straight (no blinders) and are honestly looking for a spouse instead of a trophy, you can find one in these cities as easily as many other places in the country.

Re: Russia vs. Ukraine


I didn't see any particular need to go to Russia although the first gal I met (in Seattle) was from there.


To me it was simply a question of "Why go there when Ukraine was easier to get into?' It doesn't make any difference (to me) whether it costs $1 or $10,000 more, takes 1 day and 1 stamp or 3 weeks and 4 FedEx envelopes more, whatever. Why spend even an hour more time on a visa application or wait for stuff to go through the mail if you don't have to?


It was a consideration that several tens of millions more of those women are considerably more difficult to get to (check ports of entry, then look on the map for places like Sochi, Novosibirsk (sp?), Samara, Omsk, Magadan, etc.)


My feeling overall was that if you cannot find a woman in a country of 48 million, what is the point of going to one with three times the population and more steps/costs for entry and travel when you don't have to?



To each their own though....this is one of those discussions that just goes on and on.....

+1

[Marian]

There is no difference between RW and UW. We FSU women are thought to be such a PITA  and  terrible drain on strength

May I ask you a personal question? Why are you considering finding a woman outside Austria?

Thats simple to answer.You cant imagine how much our girls here suck and boring the whole day.
They are not serious enough to estalish a good family life,the emancipation overkill here is death for every serious realtionship (every second men here is single,and the marriages split after 3 or 4 years).
And of course one important point (for me) is that FSU Women look hundred Times better then the girls here.
They take care of themselves, (hairs,fingernails,clothes..etc etc)they try to look feminin.
Our girls here dont care how they look (there are very less feminin girls here).And those less which care a bit about their appearnce are hopping from one men to another men to make party and crap like that.
I think that the FSU girls are more family oriented then our girls.They have more traditional views of life (you can call it also conservativ).
The men can be the men..and the women can be the women in the relation..and here its the opposite 

[SANDRO43]

Many years ago (1980) I was visiting for a few days a cousin of mine then living in Vienna, and was astonished by the disproportionate number of natural red-headed girls there, almost as plentiful as in Ireland .

On checking further (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair), it appears that Scotland has the highest proportion of natural redheads (13% of the population, as opposed to 1–2% of the general human population). 

IINM, Western Scotland was colonised by the ancient Irish, so it figures.

[LAman]

Many years ago (1980) I was visiting for a few days a cousin of mine then living in Vienna, and was astonished by the disproportionate number of natural red-headed girls there, almost as plentiful as in Ireland .

Come on now Sandro......I was hoping to get synopsis of what the reason/s red heads came to be from the Ireland area and no where else???? 

[LAman]

BTW...there is no truths about anything..only one's experiences and sharing about what they heard......which may be jaded by someone's unrealistic hopes. What I find is each individual finds a place where they feel comfortable...just have to find that place for you. I found it in Odessa, I like the size, being able to walk around or catch bus, being close to water and having friends there( which can also be important). I have read the stories of some guys that have visited Odessa and didn't like it...it isn't Odessa...it is them!!!
 
As far as the girls, I don't use the word 'beautiful' to descibe any girl I don't know but there are many very attractive ones!!
 
@Marian...be careful what you wish/look for....in the end, you may head back to Austria with a new outlook on Austrian women!!!

[Chelseaboy]

Marian,
           Not all the girls in Ukraine look good,so don't believe the hype.
However,they do tend to present themselves better than girls in the West in general.
 
Many of the glamour girls you talk about are just as big players as glamour girls all over the world,and they are NOT serious.
There are plenty of party girls in Ukraine...believe me.
If you are looking for one of those girls as a wife,then you'd better bring plenty to the table yourself,because they are  very materialistic ,even more so than in the West.
 
Yes,the men are expected to be the man in the relationship,which means you pay for everything also.
 
 
 
 

[Stirlitz]

Our girls here dont care how they look (there are very less feminin girls here).And those less which care a bit about their appearnce are hopping from one men to another men to make party and crap like that.

That is true. At least when I was in Austria ten years ago I only saw ONE girl that seemed attractive to me. She could have been Ukrainian on a visit I liked everything I saw in Austria... but women. Such a beautiful country... and not so beautiful women, it’s a shame.

[ML]

. . .  was astonished by the disproportionate number of natural red-headed girls there, almost as plentiful as in Ireland .

Come on Sandro; you know there is only one sure way to ascertain 'natural' hair color.

Are you really bragging that you followed this method and found a disproportionate number of reds !! ??

[Marian]

It´s not all about the look folx.Maybe I didnt explain it right before.I know that the FSU girls are not all drop dead gorgeous stunners like they want to sell us on those suspicious dating sites.
For me the most important thing is the traditional value and view of life they they have in Slavic countrys.
I know that there are also glamour girls in those Countrys (of course they are)
If I would search such one I could have them also here,because we have plenty of those bitc***es in our nighclubs and bars.And i´m sure they also suck in the same way as the Girls in Russia and Ukraine.
Those glamour girls prepare themself to find some sugardaddys In Russia or Austria or wherever,it makes no diffrences.It´s Funny to have them for a night or two,but thats all.
I´m not talking about those girls.I´m talking about normal girls which wanna raise a family.And I´m sure there are millions of them out there,which take care of themselves way like those glamour girls but they are NO glamour girls in real life.
They are good looking women with a good attitude to life and family which they cant find in their own country.Not all stunners want to live a brainless glamour life only doing party the whole night.So if there are hundreds of those gorgeous girls around searching for a men abroad.I´m sure there will be one left fitting my criterias for a succsesfull marriage.And if not,I can say I tried it.But it´s million times better to do the search there, then here.


And Chelseaboy,for me it´s not a problem if the men pays for everything.It has been the last 2000 years this way.So why should we change this tradition.The only question is for what we have to pay.If we have to pay for both to be lucky and having a good relationship (kids,house and so on).
Or we have to pay for some girls which even dont know what they want from life,like I do at the moment when I ´m going out and talking to women here in my Country.
So whats the deal?To continue this sensless search here spending night for night with some silly women.Or to start a journey and see how other women are.

[Chelseaboy]

Marian,
           I guess things must be different here in the UK,as all the couples i know share the bills if both of them are working,so they both pay.
 
In fact most young couples here couldn't afford to buy/rent a house,if they wasn't both paying the mortgage/bills.
 
So,no it certainly isn't the situation here,where the man pays for everything,and it hasn't been for a looong time.....except for the glamour girls of course : )
 
Also,when dating, many women here insist on going dutch,i.e both of them pay for the restaurant meal.
 

 
 
 
 

[SANDRO43]

Come on now Sandro......I was hoping to get synopsis of what the reason/s red heads came to be from the Ireland area and no where else???? 

Red heads are not a monopoly of Ireland, they are also found in other northern European countries where sunlight is not as strong as in more southern latitudes, although not with the same frequency as in Scotland/Ireland.

Red hair occurs naturally on approximately 1–2% of the human population.It occurs more frequently (2–6%) in people of northern or western European ancestry, and less frequently in other populations. Red hair appears in people with two copies of a recessive gene on chromosome 16 which causes a mutation in the MC1R protein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair

I'm not a geneticist, but I think a recessive gene has more chances to survive and maybe prosper in countries having less intercourse with darker foreigners and which were demographically isolated for centuries, like Scotland and Ireland were .

Come on Sandro; you know there is only one sure way to ascertain 'natural' hair color.

Pubic hair is a final confirmation, but cannot you tell natural red hair from dyed red hair? It is quite different to the discerning eye, not to mention also complexion and the abundance of freckles .

[Marian]

Marian,
           I guess things must be different here in the UK,as all the couples i know share the bills if both of them are working,so they both pay.
 
In fact most young couples here couldn't afford to buy/rent a house,if they wasn't both paying the mortgage/bills.
 
So,no it certainly isn't the situation here,where the man pays for everything,and it hasn't been for a looong time.....except for the glamour girls of course : )
 
Also,when dating, many women here insist on going dutch,i.e both of them pay for the restaurant meal.

Of course the Couples here in Austria are the same like in the United Kingdom.It was my personal persuasion about that all.Because I´m not that fan of this whole "emancipation movement".

[Doll]

There is no difference between RW and UW. We FSU women are thought to be such a PITA  and  terrible drain on strength

 

There is NO difference.