Trip report

[mc3]

Hey guys I hope im in the right category for a trip report ?
Anyway I wanted to say thanks to all who have commented and made suggestions for my trip
So thank you.. It was all helpful..

Ok as for my trip I had an awesome time .. My plans did not work as i wanted .. My girl was a no show ... I was a little depressed but these things happen and its a gamble you take ..
As for my trip i stayed in Donetsk  I first stayed at the liverpool Hotel it was ok for a few days.
I paid like 60.00 a night I had made contact with a tour guide/ translator lady.. Before i had came  and she was extremely helpful, honest, and a true professional. And she spoke very good english!! If any one reading this and is goin to Donetsk and need a tour guide, translator or just help getting a place to stay Her name is Yuliya Shuleava... You can find her web sight at http://Http://russia-ukraine-travel.com She is really great and saved my trip ..

As i said things didnt goes as planned but i took lemons and made lemonade...
Well i stayed four days in the liverpool hotel then Yuliya found me a flatt close to city center for like 37.00dollars a nite.. I spent the remander of my time there .. My friend Yuliya hooked me up with An american guy.. That was there at the same time i was, visiting his fiancee. We did lunch drank pevo and vodka, hung out and had good time .. I was invited to there home for a traditional Ukrainian supper and a night of good times and drinking vodka ! It was really great !! Borscht is my new favorite soup!! I loved the food it seems of better quallity of food than we can get in america it sure tasted better..
 I met wonderful  very friendly and helpful people through out  the city .  I spent my days sight seeing all the wonderful memorials and just seeing the city.. Donevass Arena was pretty cool its huge i enjoyed the tour they give!!!

Honestly if i had to do it over again knowing what i know now i would not have changed my trip. I would still go .. I am looking forward to going back hopefully in late spring or early summer.. 
All in all if  i it was great
MC3

[calmissile]

Hey guys I hope im in the right category for a trip report ?
Anyway I wanted to say thanks to all who have commented and made suggestions for my trip
So thank you.. It was all helpful..

Ok as for my trip I had an awesome time .. My plans did not work as i wanted .. My girl was a no show ... I was a little depressed but these things happen and its a gamble you take ..
As for my trip i stayed in Donetsk  I first stayed at the liverpool Hotel it was ok for a few days.
I paid like 60.00 a night I had made contact with a tour guide/ translator lady.. Before i had came  and she was extremely helpful, honest, and a true professional. And she spoke very good english!! If any one reading this and is goin to Donetsk and need a tour guide, translator or just help getting a place to stay Her name is Yuliya Shuleava... You can find her web sight at http://Http://russia-ukraine-travel.com She is really great and saved my trip ..

As i said things didnt goes as planned but i took lemons and made lemonade...
Well i stayed four days in the liverpool hotel then Yuliya found me a flatt close to city center for like 37.00dollars a nite.. I spent the remander of my time there .. My friend Yuliya hooked me up with An american guy.. That was there at the same time i was, visiting his fiancee. We did lunch drank pevo and vodka, hung out and had good time .. I was invited to there home for a traditional Ukrainian supper and a night of good times and drinking vodka ! It was really great !! Borscht is my new favorite soup!! I loved the food it seems of better quallity of food than we can get in america it sure tasted better..
 I met wonderful  very friendly and helpful people through out  the city .  I spent my days sight seeing all the wonderful memorials and just seeing the city.. Donevass Arena was pretty cool its huge i enjoyed the tour they give!!!

Honestly if i had to do it over again knowing what i know now i would not have changed my trip. I would still go .. I am looking forward to going back hopefully in late spring or early summer.. 
All in all if  i it was great
MC3

Glad you made the most of a difficult situation and took in the sites as long as you were already there.

Probably a good idea to have a backup or two ladies in case this happens again.  Also, another tip.  If you set up an account on (free) Badoo.com when you get to a particular city, you can set in your present location to match that city.  Local women browse the "who is local" option and you are likely to get quick messages from them.

Another tip I found useful. On your profiles, if you indicate you will be in a certain city on around a certain date, you will find many women sending you messages.  They would much rather correspond with someone that has indicated they will be in Ukraine rather than waste time on "keyboard romeos".

Hope you next trip is more successful in the romance department.

[mc3]

Thanks calmissile
I hope it is more successful next time also .. I will keep this post and look into the badoo.com sight
for my future endeavers..  Your probabley right about the back up plan with a couple other ladies . i just dont like trying to court three wemon at a time .. But it may have made my trip better.. I will consider it for my next trip..
thanks for your comment.
mc3

[Shadow]

Hi MC3,

Good to see that someone managed to find the positive of the experience even with a no-show.
As for the future, first of all you should find a more trustful person to visit. It can be done so do not become paranoid about it.
If you are not in the habit of dating multiple women at once (which I can understand as I have the same 'problem' ) you may still consider writing more than one. At the time I was in contact with MrsShadow there were two other prospects I was writing to, and I kept in contact until right after the visit that made me sure I hit the jackpot.
Had the visit been negative, I could have made a visit to either of them.
Nothing problematic about that, as the wome you write to will not stop writing other interests until they have met someone they consider marriage material in person.

[LAman]

Thanks calmissile
I hope it is more successful next time also .. I will keep this post and look into the badoo.com sight
for my future endeavers..  Your probabley right about the back up plan with a couple other ladies . i just dont like trying to court three wemon at a time .. But it may have made my trip better.. I will consider it for my next trip..
thanks for your comment.
mc3

Amazing how a wemon can turn in a lemon so easily!!!!!!   
Never tried wemonade before, wonder what it tastes like??
Sorry MC3...forgive me!!! Good for you that you made the best of the situation. Did you fly into Kiev or another large city before Donetsk?

[Daveman]

Heya mc3,


Glad you had a decent trip after the no show.  That does truly suck out loud.  Donetsk is a very, very cool city and one of my favorites. Of course I've spent more time there than in any other so that could be at least part of the reason.  Where is the Liverpool Hotel?  I'm not familiar with that one.  If you stayed near the city center then i'm sure you saw the obligatory statue of Lenin. 


Did you wander around at all? 

[Daveman]

Amazing how a wemon can turn in a lemon so easily!!!!!!   
Never tried wemonade before, wonder what it tastes like??
...

HAH!  How fitting! 

[calmissile]

I'd like to make 2 points:
1. 99.99% of FSU women don't browse badoo or look for foreign men in general. The only ones who do, have to had totally given up on local men and are pretty desperate (could also be because local men gave up on them - no one wants women with issues).

I have to disagree with you on this one.  First of all, Ukraine women DO browse Badoo to see who is local to them.  You are wrong about that.  Secondly, your idea that good women do not make the first contact is also wrong (at least in Ukraine).  Thirdly, your comment that the ones that do make first contact are burned out and not attractive is also wrong!   I think your cold went to your brain.  LOL

[mc3]

Thanks for alll the responses to my post.. I did stay close to Lenin square just down the hill from it toward the river..   I flew into Munich germany then on to Donetsk.
I just want to say i did not give all the perticulars of the sitution why she was a no show
I changed my plans two months before i was to come to Ukraine ..I told this girl i was going tocome to see her.. she was happy about it.. But do to some medical problems she was having.. She ask me to wait to come till she felt better.. I wanted to come anyway had already  bought plane ticket and could not reschedule my vaction at work..  So I knew this might happen, so i  had a back up plan..  I am, not  an expert at all in this. Dont claim to be. But  i dont blame her or have hard feelings about what happened.. I just made the best of what i had to work with..I just wanted to give a trip report with out having to go to great detail as why she was a no show . and be critisized and scrutinized orer my report ...
Also Liverpool hotel is just off of Atema st. if coming from Lenin square goin toward donetsk city its on the street just past the cathederal kinda on the cornor there. They got a neat bar and a food market also its pretty good and cheep..
Thanks for all the positive feed back..
mc3

[cc3]

Thanks for alll the responses to my post.. I did stay close to Lenin square just down the hill from it toward the river..   I flew into Munich germany then on to Donetsk.
I just want to say i did not give all the perticulars of the sitution why she was a no show
I changed my plans two months before i was to come to Ukraine ..I told this girl i was going tocome to see her.. she was happy about it.. But do to some medical problems she was having.. She ask me to wait to come till she felt better.. I wanted to come anyway had already  bought plane ticket and could not reschedule my vaction at work..  So I knew this might happen, so i  had a back up plan..  I am, not  an expert at all in this. Dont claim to be. But  i dont blame her or have hard feelings about what happened.. I just made the best of what i had to work with..I just wanted to give a trip report with out having to go to great detail as why she was a no show . and be critisized and scrutinized orer my report ...
Also Liverpool hotel is just off of Atema st. if coming from Lenin square goin toward donetsk city its on the street just past the cathederal kinda on the cornor there. They got a neat bar and a food market also its pretty good and cheep..
Thanks for all the positive feed back..
mc3

mc3, you have discovered the easy, not often taken path to eastern Ukraine (Lufthansa MUC-DOK), where I think there is a treasure trove of possible beautiful FSUW partners. If not in Donetsk, then in Mariupol or Lugansk. I met my fiancee in Lugansk and every time I commute back to UA to be with her she awaits my arrival just outside the customs exit doors of the DOK terminal. I think many WM avoid eastern UA, thinking it's too far, or too Russified. In my opinion, you get the best of both worlds in the east: (1) ease of country access (no visa required) to (2) meet, basically, Russian women, even if their passports say Ukraine.

So, don't be discouraged. My search to find my LOML took 6 years and started out in Bulgaria, of all places. The most important thing for me, before flying to meet someone, was to have communicated with her quite extensively (go for the ones who can write and speak English without translators or interpreters), so that we both felt strong intellectual and emotional bonds before we ever effected the first physical meeting. 

Good luck!

[Eduard]

[size=78%]So, don't be discouraged. My search to find my LOML took 6 years[/size]

I don't know... I started looking for my wife when I was 44 found her when I was still 44, brought her to the USA and married her when I just turned 45. If some one told me at 44 that it would take me 6 years (until I'm 50 yo) to find my wife, that would absolutely make me feel discouraged.

[Manny]

Yippee. Another Ed infomercial.

[calmissile]

Actually in the case of Badoo, I don 't think so.  My opinion about Badoo was based on personal experience over the past year, not listening to others.  I simply stated my opinion based on my personal experience.  I was not aware you ever set up a profile on Badoo or had your men do it either.

To be more specific, in additon to other dating sites I set up a profile on Badoo at the request of a Ukrainian woman.  I had not heard of the site previous to that.  I received many requests for contacts and the women are the same caliber as on the other sites, neither old, nor unatractive as your comments suggest.

In addition, a couple months before my planned trip I changed my location to several cities that I was planning to visit to see what the response would be.  Many of the new responses came from local women in those cities that used the "who is local" option.  In talking to them in emails and Skype it was made very clear to me that they wanted to see me when I arrived and wanted to know exact dates, etc.  A much more agressive response than the typical resonses when you are listed as being in the US and not planning a trip.

While on my trip, I changed my location to the next city I was planning to visit and got more responses.  To me it appeared that I uncovered a little known method of enhancing the chances of meeting more women.  It is correct to assume that more of the women on this site are not specifically looking for foreign men.  By the same token, the number of women that wanted to meet me as well as those I dated, indicated that they were not against the idea either.

I did not suggest that Badoo was a  replacement for the other sites, but was rather a supplement to the other sites.  Your broad generalization that Badoo is mostly old, desperate women is inacurate.  I'll not argue the point any further with you.  My recommendation for guys to give it a try was based on my experience, not yours.  It was also a unique venue that might pay off for someone.  Had you not challenged my recommendation, I would not have commented on it.  Perhaps your business model does not match up with this site.  Also, you seem to have very little experience in Ukraine compared to Russia, and my recommendation was specifically for guys searching in Ukraine.  It could well be that fewer women from Russia use Badoo.  It is a free site for both men and women.

[Eduard]

OK Doug, no point arguing about this. I'll just keep reading your trip reports and hope to learn as much as possible about Ukraiine ))
я навіть почав забувати українську мову 

[TheTraveler]

bonus points for for creativity and originality, doug!

[TheTraveler]

So, don't be discouraged. My search to find my LOML took 6 years...

great that you found the loyl, cc3 !!

but for others following... i'm with eduard on the 6 years thing.

[cc3]

I don't know... I started looking for my wife when I was 44 found her when I was still 44, brought her to the USA and married her when I just turned 45. If some one told me at 44 that it would take me 6 years (until I'm 50 yo) to find my wife, that would absolutely make me feel discouraged.

Maybe I was too picky In my search. Actually, my first ever eastern European female contact, 6 years ago, was an extremely classy, intelligent Bulgarian concert pianist, classical masters professor, and author (Bulgaria's foremost authority on J. S. Bach). I commuted for a year to Sofia and Plovdiv; we were a hair's breadth from marrying, when her evil, computer genius, Oedipally-jealous son managed to effect our breakup. Later, I dated an Aeroflot flight surgeon in Simferopol (interesting for a retired American airline pilot...she gave me quite a physical when we first met...I passed), and a teacher from Kharkiv. But, I was slow to acquire useable Russian, as they were slow to improve their minimal English skills, so for 3 years of that 6 year span, I turned to the US to find a partner. After a few less than fulfilling relationships, I looked back eastward, in 2011, to resume searching amongst the extremely appealing and intriguing female Slavic population. Then I connected with she who was to become my fiancee.

So, Eduard, it was not a completely soulless and fruitless search in that expanse of 6 years. I met and had relationships with a variety of interesting American, Ukrainian, and Russian women...no permanent bonds were established, however, until this year. I learned a lot in that 6 years, about women in general, and about myself in particular, that will make me a good partner for my fiancee.

[Daveman]

I don't know... I started looking for my wife when I was 44 found her when I was still 44, brought her to the USA and married her when I just turned 45. If some one told me at 44 that it would take me 6 years (until I'm 50 yo) to find my wife, that would absolutely make me feel discouraged.

As well it should... and they should... I firmly believe that most guys who get into this will not marry an FSUW. 

[Eduard]

As well it should... and they should... I firmly believe that most guys who get into this will not marry an FSUW.

and if some one told me this I wouldn't just feel discouraged I'd feel downright depressed! 


 However I agree with you, Dave, most men will not succeed, not because it's so hard to find a good FSU woman for marriage (in fact it's still a lot easier than here in the US), but simply because they are going the wrong way about it.
After a few years of trial and error they get tired of disappointments, get disillusioned and just give up.

[Gator]

I don't know... I started looking for my wife when I was 44 found her when I was still 44, brought her to the USA and married her when I just turned 45. If some one told me at 44 that it would take me 6 years (until I'm 50 yo) to find my wife, that would absolutely make me feel discouraged.

That does not mean the 6 years are a waste of time.  Far from it.  RW are interesting and a lot of fun.  Hopefully both the WM and RW have enjoyed their time together even if they learn that marriage would probably be problematic.
 
Now if a man or woman felt they wanted children and did not want to wait six years, I understand the disappointment of not meeting a personal goal.  However, such is "life" and I hope they enjoyed the time together.

[Eduard]

That does not mean the 6 years are a waste of time.  Far from it.  RW are interesting and a lot of fun.  Hopefully both the WM and RW have enjoyed their time together even if they learn that marriage would probably be problematic.
 
Now if a man or woman felt they wanted children and did not want to wait six years, I understand the disappointment of not meeting a personal goal.  However, such is "life" and I hope they enjoyed the time together.

Phil, personally when I was 44 I felt that if I wanted to have kids I better find my wife quickly. And I was totally ready for a family at that point of my life. So the prospect of waiting till I was over 50 to start one would have been very depressing to me. However I recognise that some men just like the "hunt" or the adventure of it all and they don't mind going for 10 years until it happens (or not). To each his own.
I also know that finding a very attractive, family oriented woman is still relatively easy in the FSU and can be done in just a few months and for less money overall. The process isn't as quick as it was 3 or 4 years ago, but still, what's the alternative?

[Daveman]

...
I also know that finding a very attractive, family oriented woman is still relatively easy in the FSU and can be done in just a few months and for less money overall. The process isn't as quick as it was 3 or 4 years ago, but still, what's the alternative?

Yes, any fool can marry an FSUW. It really is just about as easy as falling off the bed. 


-Finding a sincere FSUW - easy, can be done in about an hour.
-Finding a seemingly compatible sincere FSUW - takes a little longer..
-Developing the relationship, [insert marriage for many at this premature point] discovering real traits of each other, understanding compatibility more deeply - takes longer still.
-Going beyond the infatuation phase and settling into natural behavior in the relationship, possibly discovering the compatibility you thought you had really isn't what you thought it was -- considerably longer.
-Having the relationship end from either side due to the above and having to start over - a weeeee bit time consuming.


For me, there are/were no short cuts.  Some intolerable patterns/behaviors/whatever simply do not manifest while individuals are on their best "dating" behavior.


It took me three years and a total of five (inclusive) 'relationships' to find my wife (all were/are top notch, upper echelon intellect, fine character and all around good as gold women... ) And just about two years to grow to the point of walking down the aisle, and another year to bring her here.. so, with my first contact in Aug of 2005, first trip Nov. 2005, and wife arriving Dec 4, 2012 - that totals a whopping 7.5 years from point of FSUW interest to being together with my wife. 


I could have been married all four times prior to my actually going through with it.  I cannot know what the result *would have been* had I pulled the trigger on visa/marriage sooner so and "what may have been" would be sheer speculation,  however,  one of us was not comfortable going through with it each of those times so that should be a decent indicator.


So, yeah, my story could be discouraging to some. But, it's my story... and I think it is rather typical in that most meetings/relationships do NOT lead to marriage.


-I'm extremely picky about what's on the inside - heart, mind, soul, character
-Hotness is cool to look at but a very minute fraction of importance (in my book).
-I don't want to be married and have family for the sake of marriage and family.
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN.
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN!
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN!!
-I'm perfectly content with living alone and just 'dating' so I have zero tendency to settle.


This is always about individuals. There are neither absolutes nor guarantees.

[Eduard]

Yes, any fool can marry an FSUW. It really is just about as easy as falling off the bed. 


-Finding a sincere FSUW - easy, can be done in about an hour.
-Finding a seemingly compatible sincere FSUW - takes a little longer..
-Developing the relationship, [insert marriage for many at this premature point] discovering real traits of each other, understanding compatibility more deeply - takes longer still.
-Going beyond the infatuation phase and settling into natural behavior in the relationship, possibly discovering the compatibility you thought you had really isn't what you thought it was -- considerably longer.
-Having the relationship end from either side due to the above and having to start over - a weeeee bit time consuming.


For me, there are/were no short cuts.  Some intolerable patterns/behaviors/whatever simply do not manifest while individuals are on their best "dating" behavior.


It took me three years and a total of five (inclusive) 'relationships' to find my wife (all were/are top notch, upper echelon intellect, fine character and all around good as gold women... ) And just about two years to grow to the point of walking down the aisle, and another year to bring her here.. so, with my first contact in Aug of 2005, first trip Nov. 2005, and wife arriving Dec 4, 2012 - that totals a whopping 7.5 years from point of FSUW interest to being together with my wife. 


I could have been married all four times prior to my actually going through with it.  I cannot know what the result *would have been* had I pulled the trigger on visa/marriage sooner so and "what may have been" would be sheer speculation,  however,  one of us was not comfortable going through with it each of those times so that should be a decent indicator.


So, yeah, my story could be discouraging to some. But, it's my story... and I think it is rather typical in that most meetings/relationships do NOT lead to marriage.


-I'm extremely picky about what's on the inside - heart, mind, soul, character
-Hotness is cool to look at but a very minute fraction of importance (in my book).
-I don't want to be married and have family for the sake of marriage and family.
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN.
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN!
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN!!
-I'm perfectly content with living alone and just 'dating' so I have zero tendency to settle.


This is always about individuals. There are neither absolutes nor guarantees.

you are a smart man

[ML]

-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN.
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN!
-I *must* be with someone positive, happy, and FUN!!

I feel the same; but glad that someone else said it to jog my mind.

I have been continuing some correspondence with a gal that might be just a tiny bit bi-polar or some such (I'm no expert on this stuff).  Quite fun to be with when all is up, which is most of the time; but . . .

Anything with her has been a  long shot since things are going great with the  Gal living with me . . . but just sort of that 'back burner' thing.

But now that Dave has thrown a little cold water in my face (without knowing it); I  am going to come to my senses and send the Dear Jane.

Thanks Dave!!