Renouncing Ukrainian citizenship

[Gylden]

We are looking for first hand information about renouncing Ukrainian citizenship.
 

[tfcrew]

It is not a necessary formality.

[Gylden]

Unfortunately it is and in addition is desired.
 

[tfcrew]

Unfortunately it is and in addition is desired.
 

Without an enhanced explanation of all that, I would refer this to similar posts at visajourney ie....

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/262663-dual-citizenship-and-surrendering-ukrainian-one/page__st__30

[Gylden]

tfcrew,
I appreciate your willingness to give advice, We have searched quite extensively on the net and have a good understanding of what is available on the subject.
 
We are interested in first hand experience with the process.
 
We are not interested in debating the pros and cons, as it is a requirement here in Norway to renounce former citizenship.
 
Maybe there is someone here with the first hand experience, maybe not.
 
Thanks for your interest.

[tfcrew]

Gylden...

Most of the members here are American.
It is not necessary in this country to renounce citizenship of another.
Most countries allow for dual citizenship. Ukraine also not being one.

Renouncement of a foreign allegiance would then be to the flag of Norway.
Your own Norwegian authorities would seem to me to be of the greatest advice...as per their requirements. Why not ask them?

Best of luck there
Karl

[Ranetka]

We are looking for first hand information about renouncing Ukrainian citizenship.
 

The first hand information will be on  the Ukrainian Embassy site, any comment you are likely to get here will be second hand.

[Ranetka]

Перелік документів для оформлення статусу закордонного українця
Відповідно до Закону України від 04.03.2004р. № 1582-IV «Про правовий статус закордонного українця», етнічні українці та особи, які народилися чи проживали в Україні, які в даний час є громадянами інших держав чи особами без громадянства, мають право отримати правовий статус закордонного українця та відповідне посвідчення.
Для отримання статусу закордонного українця треба надіслати поштою чи подати до закордонної дипломатичної установи України в країні постійного проживання або безпосередньо до Міністерства закордонних справ України (площа Михайлівська 1, 01018 Київ) такі документи:
1. Заяву про бажання отримати статус закордонного українця, у якій, окрім запитуваної інформації, бажано зазначити адресу та телефон.
2. Копію (закордонного) паспорта громадянина відповідної країни або посвідчення особи без громадянства.
УВАГА! Написання прізвища та імені у посвідченні відповідатиме їх написанню у зазначеному документі у відповідності з правилами міжнародної транслітерації.
3. Копію свідоцтва про народження або іншого документа, що доводив би Ваше етнічне українське походження чи територіальне походження з України (атестат про закінчення школи в Україні, трудова книжка, свідчення місцевого українського об’єднання, церкви тощо).
4. Дві кольорові фотокартки розміром 3 х 4 см.
5. Оригінал квитанції про сплату коштів у обсязі, еквівалентному 10 доларам США.
За оформлення посвідчення справляється плата у валюті країни перебування заявника у розмірі, еквівалентному 10 доларам США.
Реквізити для сплати коштів З-ЗА КОРДОНУВалюта - USDBENEFICIARY - State Treasury of Ukraine, Kyiv, UkraineACCOUNT (IBAN) № - 2513101284489ACCOUNT WITH INSTITUTION (BENEFICIARYBANK) - Joint-Stоck company State export Import Bank of Ukraine, 127 Gorkogo Str., Kyiv, UkraineSWIFT - EXBSUAUX
Реквізити для сплати коштів В УКРАЇНІ:а) Сума: еквівалент 10 дол. СШАб) Призначення платежу: За оформлення посвідчення закордонного українцяв) Отримувач: Державна казначейська служба Україниг) Банк отримувача: Державнеа казначейська служба України, м. Київд) Код отримувача: ЄДРПОУ 37567646е) Код банку отримувача МФО: 820172є) Рахунок: 31113027700001ж) Код бюджетної класифікації: 22012400з) Символ звітності банку: 027
 

[Ranetka]

Перелік документів для оформлення статусу закордонного українця
Відповідно до Закону України від 04.03.2004р. № 1582-IV «Про правовий статус закордонного українця», етнічні українці та особи, які народилися чи проживали в Україні, які в даний час є громадянами інших держав чи особами без громадянства, мають право отримати правовий статус закордонного українця та відповідне посвідчення.
Для отримання статусу закордонного українця треба надіслати поштою чи подати до закордонної дипломатичної установи України в країні постійного проживання або безпосередньо до Міністерства закордонних справ України (площа Михайлівська 1, 01018 Київ) такі документи:
1. Заяву про бажання отримати статус закордонного українця, у якій, окрім запитуваної інформації, бажано зазначити адресу та телефон.
2. Копію (закордонного) паспорта громадянина відповідної країни або посвідчення особи без громадянства.
УВАГА! Написання прізвища та імені у посвідченні відповідатиме їх написанню у зазначеному документі у відповідності з правилами міжнародної транслітерації.
3. Копію свідоцтва про народження або іншого документа, що доводив би Ваше етнічне українське походження чи територіальне походження з України (атестат про закінчення школи в Україні, трудова книжка, свідчення місцевого українського об’єднання, церкви тощо).
4. Дві кольорові фотокартки розміром 3 х 4 см.
5. Оригінал квитанції про сплату коштів у обсязі, еквівалентному 10 доларам США.
За оформлення посвідчення справляється плата у валюті країни перебування заявника у розмірі, еквівалентному 10 доларам США.
Реквізити для сплати коштів З-ЗА КОРДОНУВалюта - USDBENEFICIARY - State Treasury of Ukraine, Kyiv, UkraineACCOUNT (IBAN) № - 2513101284489ACCOUNT WITH INSTITUTION (BENEFICIARYBANK) - Joint-Stоck company State export Import Bank of Ukraine, 127 Gorkogo Str., Kyiv, UkraineSWIFT - EXBSUAUX
Реквізити для сплати коштів В УКРАЇНІ:а) Сума: еквівалент 10 дол. СШАб) Призначення платежу: За оформлення посвідчення закордонного українцяв) Отримувач: Державна казначейська служба Україниг) Банк отримувача: Державнеа казначейська служба України, м. Київд) Код отримувача: ЄДРПОУ 37567646е) Код банку отримувача МФО: 820172є) Рахунок: 31113027700001ж) Код бюджетної класифікації: 22012400з) Символ звітності банку: 027
 

Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for as my Ukrainian is not that great but generally speaking the procedure and the info as what documents required will be available in the Ukr Consulate, it's one of the standard things they are dealing with.

[Gylden]

Thank you Ranetka and tfcrew for your replys,
 
The first hand information we are looking for are from those who have actually renounced.
 
Of course we are fully educated concerning both the Norwegian and the Ukrainian requirements.
 

[Faux Pas]

Gylden
Not an effort to instigate any debate but, why renounce?

[Gylden]

Here is something from an official Ukrainian web site.
 
http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/nationality/Bulletin_en_files/Ukraine%202004%20E.pdf
 

B. Termination of citizenship of Ukraine

The citizenship of Ukraine is terminated:
1. Due to renunciation of the citizenship of Ukraine;

2. Due to loss of the citizenship of Ukraine;

3. Due to the grounds foreseen by the international treaties signed by Ukraine.

The citizenship of Ukraine is lost:

1. If a citizen of Ukraine has voluntarily acquired the citizenship of another state

after attaining his/her majority.

Voluntarily acquiring the citizenship of another state constitutes cases when a

citizen of Ukraine of his/her own free will, expressed in a written application,

has acquired the citizenship of another state or if he/she voluntarily obtained a

document certifying his/her acquisition of the citizenship of a foreign state,

except for the cases where: 
 

[Ade]

Gylden
Not an effort to instigate any debate but, why renounce?

If his wife wants to become a Norwegian citizen, it's kind of required (with a few exceptions).

[Faux Pas]

If his wife wants to become a Norwegian citizen, it's kind of required (with a few exceptions).

What are the exceptions?

[Ade]

What are the exceptions?

From what I remember the exceptions involve governments making it excessively difficult or dangerous or exorbitantly expensive to renounce citizenship.

I just looked up the official rules and they state;

Dual citizenship in case a foreign national citizen wishes to become Norwegian
If you wish to become a Norwegian citizen it is required as a principal rule that you renounce any other citizenship. In certain cases there are exemptions from this requirement, and double citizenship is allowed:
The legislation in the applicant’s former home country does not permit citizens to be released from their citizenship, or such release is deemed to be practically impossible.
The authorities in the former home country have rejected an application for release.
For reasons for personal safety, the applicant should not be required to contact the authorities of his or her former home country in order to apply for release.
More than one year has elapsed since Norwegian citizenship was granted or since the applicant reached the age at which it is possible to obtain release pursuant to the legislation of the former home country but the granting of release has not been documented, and the home country has provided no information as regards expected processing time. If it is known that the applicant’s former home country does not reply to applications for release from nationality, an exemption may be granted from the requirement regarding release in connection with the granting of Norwegian citizenship.
The authorities in the applicant’s former home country set unreasonably burdensome conditions for release. Whether the fee charged for release is unreasonably burdensome shall be assessed on the basis of ordinary income. If the fee exceeds four per cent of the applicant’s income, the release fee is deemed to be unreasonably burdensome. The same applies if the applicant is responsible for the care of children under 18 years of age, and the release fee, including any release fee for children, exceeds two per cent of the applicant’s income. However, a release fee of up to and including NOK 2,500 is not deemed to be unreasonably burdensome. In the case of orphans, any release fee is deemed to be unreasonably burdensome.

It's a bit draconian I know. But, the worse is that if a Norwegian citizen applies for and accepts citizenship elsewhere, they automatically forfeit their Norwegian citizenship. We know of RW here married to Norwegian men who applied for Russian citizenship for their kids and the kids lost their Norwegian citizenship as a result.

[Faux Pas]

From what I remember the exceptions involve governments making it excessively difficult or dangerous or exorbitantly expensive to renounce citizenship.

I just looked up the official rules and they state;
It's a bit draconian I know. But, the worse is that if a Norwegian citizen applies for and accepts citizenship elsewhere, they automatically forfeit their Norwegian citizenship. We know of RW here married to Norwegian men who applied for Russian citizenship for their kids and the kids lost their Norwegian citizenship as a result.

That's interesting, I didn't realize Norway required a prospective citizen to renounce one. Most of the EU countries don't have that requirement do they?

[tfcrew]

Here is something from an official Ukrainian web site.
 
http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/nationality/Bulletin_en_files/Ukraine%202004%20E.pdf
 

B. Termination of citizenship of Ukraine

The citizenship of Ukraine is terminated:
1. Due to renunciation of the citizenship of Ukraine;

2. Due to loss of the citizenship of Ukraine;

3. Due to the grounds foreseen by the international treaties signed by Ukraine.

The citizenship of Ukraine is lost:

1. If a citizen of Ukraine has voluntarily acquired the citizenship of another state

after attaining his/her majority.

Voluntarily acquiring the citizenship of another state constitutes cases when a

citizen of Ukraine of his/her own free will, expressed in a written application,

has acquired the citizenship of another state or if he/she voluntarily obtained a

document certifying his/her acquisition of the citizenship of a foreign state,

except for the cases where:

All redundant statements.
Citizenship is lost if it is terminated.  Yeah...OK
Sooo...one who is not a citizen cannot what? Vote?

A side issue...

Many Americans now [especially rich ones] are renouncing their citizenship.
Why? To avoid taxes.

This is some recent Ukrainian tax laws..

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/ukraine/ukraine_taxes.asp

 

[SANDRO43]

Many Americans now [especially rich ones] are renouncing their citizenship. Why? To avoid taxes.

Not only Americans .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9748655/Gerard-Depardieu-to-return-French-passport.html#

[Ade]

That's interesting, I didn't realize Norway required a prospective citizen to renounce one. Most of the EU countries don't have that requirement do they?

I'm not sure how many tbh. I don't think France has issues with it or Britain.


Also, as far as I'm aware, Norway allows it if you are born to a Norwegian and you get automatic citizenship through the other parent; like if one parent is British. It's because no deliberate decision was made to apply for the other citizenship. Yeah, silly and seems contradictory I know.


Our daughter will be British and can have Russian citizenship too of course if we decide to do that or she decides for herself when she's older. I have permanent residence as will my wife next year, so our daughter will get that right through us and the right to apply for citizenship as well; but then I think she wouldn't be able to have Russian citizenship. The rules are a real PITA.


No such thing as a perfect country though.

[tfcrew]

Some countries have more complex rules on dual and multiple citizenship. For example,
 

• Germany and Austria usually do not allow dual citizenship except for persons who obtain more than one citizenship at the time of birth.^[16][17] Germans and Austrians can apply for a permit to keep their citizenship (Beibehaltungsgenehmigung) before taking a second one (for example, both Austria and the U.S. consider Arnold Schwarzenegger a citizen). In general however, any Austrian who takes up a second citizenship will automatically lose Austrian citizenship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship#Multiple_citizenship_prohibited.2Fdiscouraged

Oddly enough, Ukraine is not mentioned.

Again, to answer the original question....
Ukrainians will lose their citizenship anyway by becoming a citizen in a foreign country.
If Norway citizenship requires renouncement of a former foreign country then should it not be stated and done in their oath of allegiance?