Interesting interview with Ukrainian wife in US

[jone]

Moderator,

Can we separate out what is now obviously two threads, one being GQ's rant on those he considers to be of advanced age (barely older than him)?

Rarely have we had the opportunity that lies in front of us and all of this stuff regarding age is distorting what should be a very informative read.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Wow, what a mess.


We got TomT back with his passive aggressive posts towards a new member. 


Stalking much?


GQ is colorful as ever.  I do have to agree with his points without the diaper diatribe ("I imagine I will be a pampers man, GQ").


It was most definitely a marketing video to satisfy old men or shall I say "old goats" reservations about young women wanting them for their sexy bodies and not for their passports.


While it can most certainly happen, it would not be the norm for the average, fat, wrinkly old dude.

[Daveman]

The staff is currently discussing some aspects of this thread...  in the mean time, let me point to a small yet relevant section of the Terms of Service (which each of us had to acknowledge and accept prior to being granted participation privileges.)


The would be good to keep in mind...

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You agree not to interfere with another member's use and enjoyment of this site.
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[Daveman]

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GQ is colorful as ever.  I do have to agree with his points without the diaper diatribe ("I imagine I will be a pampers man, GQ").


It was most definitely a marketing video to satisfy old men or shall I say "old goats" reservations about young women wanting them for their sexy bodies and not for their passports.


While it can most certainly happen, it would not be the norm for the average, fat, wrinkly old dude.

A marketing video?  Check.  Old Goat Reservation Elimination Propaganda? Pahhhhaaaaaahaaaaassibly.


So, sensibly sans a delectable diaper diatribe (gotta love double alliteration), what, exactly, is the problem?  An older guy drooling over and possibly making a fool of himself by being taken for a ride?  A loveless arrangement?  Having to see them together and being forced to imagine, against one's will I might add, Wrinkly Limp Pecker Fortified with Vitamin Viagra and a Preemptive Vacuum Cleaner Suction Strike?


MOST of these relationships are age gappers regardless of the respective ages of the players, so what's the real ass chapper? 

[LiveFromUkraine]

A marketing video?  Check.  Old Goat Reservation Elimination Propaganda? Pahhhhaaaaaahaaaaassibly.


So, sensibly sans a delectable diaper diatribe (gotta love double alliteration), what, exactly, is the problem?  An older guy drooling over and possibly making a fool of himself by being taken for a ride?  A loveless arrangement?  Having to see them together and being forced to imagine, against one's will I might add, Wrinkly Limp Pecker Fortified with Vitamin Viagra and a Preemptive Vacuum Cleaner Suction Strike?


MOST of these relationships are age gappers regardless of the respective ages of the players, so what's the real ass chapper?

No ass chapping as long as there is diaper powder.   


I think people should do what makes them happy. 


I wanted to be 7 feet tall and play in the NBA.  Alas, the surgery to make me taller didn't give me the 7 feet I needed to offset my week ball skills.  hah


Age gaps don't bother me.  I have naturally dated within a 10 year age gap.  No problems really came up in terms of age/desires.


I think the worst that can go wrong is the old guy actually getting what he thinks he wants.   


The foreign bride type of courtship is riddled with far more issues than dating locally without addressing generational differences.  Call me crazy, but I value simplicity more and more as I grow towards the inevitable "old goats" realm.

Guys seem to be more worried about women leaving them for younger men instead of worrying about having a relationship that is built to last.

I do think there are men out there that can pull it off.  I don't believe the average guy fantasizing (being viciously marketed too with pictures of hot women) can.

[Patagonie]

There are few guys with whom i would like to go : Jack, Eduard and Mark Davies (and also some guys like in Nikolaev, Kharkov, who owns some little agencies)....
The only concern i have with Mark is that he is making the promotion of big gap age. Myself i have big gap with my lady. I would not promote such thing for the common traveller, not at all. We already had had many discussion about this topic.
SO GQ is making a good point about it.
The OP was probably under 25 when they met first time, i would say probably close than 20. Personnaly i would not also encourage such age. I think the maturity threshold is above 28.


To the OP : in this forum, you will realize that many people are manicheist here. Some doctrines discussed here cannot be held in the real world.  Don't give up, depending of their mood it can be cloudy or clear.
But you will understand how clever and experienced they are, which is interesting of course.

[Shadow]

Let me get an inventory here of what Galyna has been writing.

1. She put her profile up as service to a friend, who told her that she did not have to bother writing her own letters.
2. While she now claims to have been writing 90% of all communication, at the same time she tells her letters were changed.
3. Initially she did not wish to meet her husband, even though the agency seemed to have arranged a meeting
4. She agreed to do translation work for him, through which they came in to closer contact
5. From her description she did not marry him for his appeareance, but he had other redeeming qualitie$

Her husband got lucky with the translator so it seems. 

Now after reading this, I think that Anastasiadate could do a good job for a lot of men. After all, this surely seems their method of operating.

[Shadow]

Yeah, back to the interview and the subjects of the interview.   

I am going to go check out her and stay off this forum for a while.  Respect and gratitude to the interviewer and the interviewee for the share.  Also, Calmissile, I think it is disgraceful that so many members of this forum distracted from the subject by making personal attacks against you.     I object to it although I am fairly certain I have seen it in other circles we have traveled in. 

RWD, I have a feeling you will and encourage the liberal use of "Report to Moderator" function.  I also encourage the administrators of this site to not only enforces standards,  but to add an ignore button.  Speaking only for myself, I have no interest whatsoever in soliciting the services of some of the commercial members and those ASPIRING to be commercial members.

Guess you are not up to staying in a place where you are not pampered.

[TheTraveler]

only knowing what i've read, i cannot conclude that galyna was a scammer.
 
the agency run by her aquaintances, though, sounds like a scam operation.  forged letters, modified letters, etc.
 
in some regards, she describes her husband as a smart, worldly, well-traveled guy.  yet he was being set up as a scam mark by the agency, nonetheless.  it sounds like he was writing to an agency writer (at least for a while) -- rather than his girl, in a pay-per-letter operation -- not a wise play.
 
but he (they) made it work.  not smart, but lucky.  glad they have found each other, though!  a happy couple!
 

[Ade]

Regardless of her motivations for joining one of Mark's self-promotional stunts and posting here, anyone that knowingly enables deceptive practices, which she openly admits to doing, has a moral character that is less than perfect. I certainly wouldn't trust what she says after such an admission.

Pay attention newbies. This kind of casual disregard for disingenuous behaviour is rife among the FSUW in the MOB business as I and others have posted about previously. Many are true products of their society.

[Slumba]

Regardless of her motivations for joining one of Mark's self-promotional stunts and posting here, anyone that knowingly enables deceptive practices, which she openly admits to doing, has a moral character that is less than perfect. I certainly wouldn't trust what she says after such an admission.

Pay attention newbies. This kind of casual disregard for disingenuous behaviour is rife among the FSUW in the MOB business as I and others have posted about previously. Many are true products of their society.

Many other FSUW, including those you know either on this forum or another similar, have admitted to such deception when they were younger, though not always in the MOB context. 

It is absolutely a warning to be taken, but your self-righteousness seems a little overbearing...I guess I am agreeing with you but not as willing to be strident about it.

[Ade]

Many other FSUW, including those you know either on this forum or another similar, have admitted to such deception when they were younger, though not always in the MOB context. 

It is absolutely a warning to be taken, but your self-righteousness seems a little overbearing...I guess I am agreeing with you but not as willing to be strident about it.

Just the kind of response I'd expect from a short person but hey, if you are okay with duplicitous women that's fine by me but good luck with it as you're going to need all you can get. 

[jone]

Me thinks it would be nice to hear what the lady has to say before you all run her into the ground, tie her to the stake, nail her to the cross, etc.  We can all guess what each of you think.   After reading her blog, and how beautifully she writes about Ukraine, I would appreciated it if you could bottle up any cynicism you might have and treat her like the lady she is.

Pay attention newbies. This kind of casual disregard for disingenuous behaviour is rife among the FSUW in the MOB business as I and others have posted about previously. Many are true products of their society.

As for the above quote, I somehow just can't envision that we'll have too many newbies sitting at your feet waiting for you  to deliver pearls of wisdom.

[Slumba]

Just the kind of response I'd expect from a short person but hey, if you are okay with duplicitous women that's fine by me but good luck with it as you're going to need all you can get. 

To Slumba - Post removed. 

Far outside the terms of service. 

AnonMod

[Gator]

This kind of casual disregard for disingenuous behaviour is rife among the FSUW in the MOB business as I and others have posted about previously. Many are true products of their society.

You act as if this is an earth shattering proclamation.  Your point is valid.  However, it is not limited to "FSUW in the MOB business."  It is an attitude that one can find in many RW listed with MOB agencies, as well as those RW not listed, as well as RM as well as the government.  I consider it a Russian attitude.

In the FSU as well as the US there are many people who will deceive you, some only some of the time and some all of the the time.   Know your woman.

[ML]

Many other FSUW, including those you know either on this forum or another similar, have admitted to such deception when they were younger, though not always in the MOB context. 

It is absolutely a warning to be taken, but your self-righteousness seems a little overbearing...I guess I am agreeing with you but not as willing to be strident about it.

Why not be strident about it.  It is either right or it is wrong.

Is stealing OK if you only take small amounts each time?

[Ade]

You act as if this is an earth shattering proclamation. 

Not really and sometimes it doesn't hurt to belabour the point.

Your point is valid.  However, it is not limited to "FSUW in the MOB business."  It is an attitude that one can find in many RW listed with MOB agencies, as well as those RW not listed, as well as RM as well as the government.  I consider it a Russian attitude.

In the FSU as well as the US there are many people who will deceive you, some only some of the time and some all of the the time.   Know your woman.

Absolutely.

[ML]

Guys . . . look . . . there has to be a line in the sand somewhere.

In some other current threads guys are trying to shut down or somehow bring punishment to those running scam operations.

Most here sympathize with those efforts while thinking  they are futile.
But does futility at trying to stop or punish imply that we should embrace those who are either actively or passively participating in scams against WM?

Are scam operations OK if they only other affect other people?
Are scam operations OK if they are run by nice looking gals who write great in English.
Are scam operations OK if the gal did not benefit from the scam, but only helped her friends, or acquaintances or former classmates benefit from the scams.
Are scam operations OK if the scammee and the scam participant later get married?

Are scam operations OK if they are run by persons in a country where it is thought that it is OK to scam 'wealthy' foreigners?

[Ade]

Me thinks it would be nice to hear what the lady has to say before you all run her into the ground, tie her to the stake, nail her to the cross, etc.  We can all guess what each of you think.   After reading her blog, and how beautifully she writes about Ukraine, I would appreciated it if you could bottle up any cynicism you might have and treat her like the lady she is.

She admitted it outright. I see not a hint of remorse, no sign that what she did was wrong even. Are you one of the apologists?

As for the above quote, I somehow just can't envision that we'll have too many newbies sitting at your feet waiting for you  to deliver pearls of wisdom.

Your imagination is rather limited then.

[Slumba]

Guys . . . look . . . there has to be a line in the sand somewhere.

In some other current threads guys are trying to shut down or somehow bring punishment to those running scam operations.

Is it something to highlight?  Yes, absolutely.

Should we search for, and then retro-actively punish, any person who did it in the past? 

Note the now-husband was (apparently) on a pay per letter site, maybe it would be better to focus on cutting the source of demand...

[TomT]

Wow, what a mess.


We got TomT back with his passive aggressive posts towards a new member. 


Stalking much?


GQ is colorful as ever.  I do have to agree with his points without the diaper diatribe ("I imagine I will be a pampers man, GQ").

I have to admire someone who has the cajones to confront me, albeit indirectly.
Yes, the interrogation of Galina was badly botched and it is unlikely that she will be providing much more ammunition. Shadow's outline was a masterpiece, though; I couldn't have done better myself.

[jone]

Guys . . . look . . . there has to be a line in the sand somewhere.

In some other current threads guys are trying to shut down or somehow bring punishment to those running scam operations.

Most here sympathize with those efforts while thinking  they are futile.
But does futility at trying to stop or punish imply that we should embrace those who are either actively or passively participating in scams against WM?

Are scam operations OK if they only other affect other people?
Are scam operations OK if they are run by nice looking gals who write great in English.
Are scam operations OK if the gal did not benefit from the scam, but only helped her friends, or acquaintances or former classmates benefit from the scams.
Are scam operations OK if the scammee and the scam participant later get married?

Are scam operations OK if they are run by persons in a country where it is thought that it is OK to scam 'wealthy' foreigners?

ML,

Once again you are correct in some of what you say.  WE DO NEED TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND.  Scamming of men has to stop. 

And Shadow effectively encapsulated what happened in this circumstance. 

But I ask the members of this forum how you expect to gain future insights into the workings of agencies that rip men off if you cannot give an audience to someone who is willing to talk about it from another perspective.  This woman's insights are valuable. 

It is unfortunate that we cannot tone down the rhetoric enough to hear what she has to say.

I, for one, just really would like to hear her thoughts, not of those of us who like to hear ourselves.

[Gator]

One problem in not reading is that I do not understand the subplots. 
 
Why suspect Galina?  Instead, why not select something substantive she wrote (or said) and challenge that?  Seems very inhospitable towards a new member (and I thought we were trying to attract more female members). 
 
And what is the story between GQ and Calmissile?  GQ took much time to prepare material in an effort to humiliate geriatric gigolos.   What's next?  Examination of how an ethnic group with the reputation for being hung like a field mouse can satisfy a young RW in bed?
 
Some of you need to take a sabbatical from reading RWD.     If so you would realize how small minded some of the posts have become.   Petty, petty, petty. 

[Larry1]

Some of you need to take a sabbatical from reading RWD.     If so you would realize how small minded some of the posts have become.   Petty, petty, petty. 

Amen to that.  It reminds me of a remark often attributed to former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger:

"Academic politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."

Just substitute the word forum for the word academic.

[Daveman]

I politely requested civility or stay out of the thread.  Two warnings have been issued.  So, I'll politely say it again...


Keep the thread civil, or simply stay away from it...