Interesting interview with Ukrainian wife in US

[Ade]

It is you that has the flawed character!  All of the people I have met in person from Norway are nothing like you.  They are polite and respectful.  I suspect you will never gain this quality.
Galyna does not owe you an apology.  Contrary to your belief, I think most of the forum members would like to have heard what she has to offer without your attacks and disrespect.  Perhaps some of them will chime in and let you know that.

If we are to encourage women from the FSU to participate in this forum, they will need to at least be treated with respect and not interrogated about every facet of their life.  We are well aware you will try and pick them apart.  The is your MO and we do not appreciate it. We lost at least one nice Russian member this week that many on the forum thought very highly of. She got fed up with the negative posts and insults between members.  Who can blame someone coming here and discovering that the management encourages the disrespectful conduct, and decided to leave?

It's a big world out there and many civilized people are not going to stay around to listen/read the useless nitpicking that you tend to offer.  If you really like this sort of thing, then you might want to return to your other favorite forum and carry on.  Unless the ownership here has changed (?), this forum has been more civilized and more respectful between members.

This woman came here to offer what the forum is supposed to be about.  FSU dating!  It would have been interesting to have heard what she had to say without all the unrelated attacks on her character (by you).

Have a nice life!.  Most of the men in relationships and some of the married ones are more interested in providing advice to newbies to prepare them for their adventure rather than exchanging testerone driven, macho posts to show how important they are.  In the big picture, some are little men with a very big ego and a very big mouth, but very questionable character.

Since your favorite female moderator seems to be here to protect you, I do not expect your conduct to change.  Perhaps the members can let you know how they feel about your disruption of the posts and information Galyna has been trying to offer.

Really, when I read bollocks like this, I wonder how on earth you ever managed to be an engineer.


The only things you seem to want to hear is that young flesh in the FSU want saggy old farts like yourself.


Jesus, you can't even get some of you basic facts correct. Pitiful.

[LiveFromUkraine]

People do a lot of things for a lot of reasons. I know the endemic petty corruption culture in the FSU leads people to think of it as normalcy. I also know that desperation changes peoples priorities and outlook; hey, I did many things in my teens that I regret and I'm far from proud of. I'm not going to label people "evil" because they are products of their society.

However, what I would expect of someone from the FSU who has been exposed to a more refined way of living/thinking is to accept that the petty corruption and the preying on the weak, the stupid and the hopeless is not a good or acceptable thing. Some FSU migrants seem to think it's okay to bring their attitudes west with them and to use people and the system any way they want if they think they can get away with it. It's those people that have flawed characters.

I think we all have done something we regret otherwise we wouldn't be living and learning. 

I thought consensus was that Russian women don't admit guilt.   

As for the marketing video, it seems like the same message we have heard for years. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

That's gawd's natural way to remind you your expiry date. Call it a personal alarm clock. One of life's many reminders.

tic-toc-tic-toc...

Geez man, now you are making me rethink my retirement plans.

[Muzh]

However, what I would expect of someone from the FSU who has been exposed to a more refined way of living/thinking is to accept that the petty corruption and the preying on the weak, the stupid and the hopeless is not a good or acceptable thing. Some FSU migrants seem to think it's okay to bring their attitudes west with them and to use people and the system any way they want if they think they can get away with it. It's those people that have flawed characters.

And these young tigresses usually don't change their stripes. 

Wait until some of these wah, wah, wah types in 'diapers' tangle with one of these hotties. IF the get to that point. Reality is most of the RW want a MAN, not a wah, wah, wah type of diaper.

[Muzh]

I read a while back the this forum has become 'toxic.' LMFAO

You sure you read RWD and not RUA?

So much concern about newbies shying away from all these 'tough' bullies.

As I see it, there are people who went there and got the T-shirt who are trying to instill some sense of reality to the 'newbies.' I believe someone already pointed out this oxymoronic term. And there are people who resent those wearing the T-shirts walking into a room full of balloons wielding sharp needles.

I believe these forums were created specifically for balloon popping. You want kumbaya? Join the Scouts.

[Muzh]

Galyna, I have some questions for you but will just ask one right now.

If a dyev in one of these agencies around 23-25 yo was offered money from a man twice her age, why would she take it?

[jone]

I read a while back the this forum has become 'toxic.' LMFAO

You sure you read RWD and not RUA?

So much concern about newbies shying away from all these 'tough' bullies.

As I see it, there are people who went there and got the T-shirt who are trying to instill some sense of reality to the 'newbies.' I believe someone already pointed out this oxymoronic term. And there are people who resent those wearing the T-shirts walking into a room full of balloons wielding sharp needles.

I believe these forums were created specifically for balloon popping. You want kumbaya? Join the Scouts.

Most of the people that I know on this forum are here to learn about FSUW/WM relationships.  Something that we hope you bring your valued and valuable experience to.  Hopefully we're also here for mutual support. 

I sure could use some.  Some of the threads that were posted on here were very valuable learning tools to me.   And some of the threads that I have started have also given me specific and needed advice.   

I don't understand the innuendo in your post, but I'd like to think that if you're popping balloons that it is with a kindness that I am happy to extend to you and yours.

[Shadow]

Most of the people that I know on this forum are here to learn about FSUW/WM relationships.  Something that we hope you bring your valued and valuable experience to.  Hopefully we're also here for mutual support. 

I sure could use some.  Some of the threads that were posted on here were very valuable learning tools to me.   And some of the threads that I have started have also given me specific and needed advice.   

I don't understand the innuendo in your post, but I'd like to think that if you're popping balloons that it is with a kindness that I am happy to extend to you and yours.

Jone I believe you were not around 5-6 years ago when newbies were treated very different from the soft approach they receive now.
Your recent fallout with your girlfriend can compare to a regular comment by any FSUW at the time to an unsuspecting newbie that seemed low on clues. The old boys in those times would wave a cluebat compared to which the harshest approach today looks like babytalk.
We strived to give new arrivals a bit friendlier environment, and by that might have created a group that can not handle criticism. Most of them will be in for a treat the first time they get resistance the Russian way, only the strong will survive.

[Daveman]

Great post jone. Interestingly enough TomT commented upthread about the local view of the morality in general of the agencies behaviour--or more accurately of the girls attitudes.I concur with that .
It is not how we see it from a western perspective,but we are not living in the circumstances how this evolved.In essence it is rationalised on the basis that no one is forcing the guys to spend their money.It has a degree of logic-- but is not matched by western ideas of the morality of it.

I see it this way - every man is a money target by the agency in all phases - before, during (for those who actually do get on a plane), and after a visit.  The ladies are complicit with the goings on either to A) make money, or B) perhaps meet someone.  If say, lady F is truly interested, he is still targeted by the "profiles" of ladies A-E and G-Z whomever is at the helm at the time.

There was a similar thread related to the ethics/morality of agency gifts (e.g., having a photo taken with various gifts and send the photos to the guy but actually splitting and pocketing the money, etc.) a couple/few years ago.  I'll see if I can track it down. Some of the justifications then were just as interesting as they are currently.

[alex330]

I met my wife in a way similar to Galina's story. My wife was actually the interpreter/model/profile though. She has quite a bit of insight and knowledge on the industry and dating in Ukraine. I find it interesting so we discuss it at times. While we dated she would tell me about how the dates she acted as a terp on went. There is even a TR on the forum which I am pretty sure she was the terp for. I have thought of asking her to post but maybe not the best idea for obvious reasons.

It is not a black and white situation in many cases and varies for each individual. Within the agencies there are some women who are very rogue, some trying to do the right thing and eek a living for her family, and some who may be forced to bend the rules for a number of reasons.

This is also true for the women who signup. My wife just talked to one of her clients today. She had at one point signed up with good intentions to find a husband overseas. She changes her mind all the time and shortly after her photo shoot found a local man. They dated, never married, had a child and now she is a single mother. During some of that time the agency owner assumed control of her profile and boosted his sales. She is now honestly looking again. I would be curious if she is on a scam site somewhere.

The scams and fraud is just as bad for Western men coming over as it is on the women's side. Just a different sort.

There was a similar thread related to the ethics/morality of agency gifts (e.g., having a photo taken with various gifts and send the photos to the guy but actually splitting and pocketing the money, etc.) a couple/few years ago.  I'll see if I can track it down. Some of the justifications then were just as interesting as they are currently.

Gifts through the agency are the biggest waste of money. My wife would tell me the terps would go to a flower shop with the girl and pose with a bouquet, take a pick and not purchase the roses. They had empty bottles of perfume in the office to take a picture when a man sent that gift. The money would be pocketed and used to pay the winter gas bill since the agency was two months late paying them.

[Gator]

GQ,
 
Another post from you about old men.  Now you call them "social rejects."  You seem to be the only member hung up on this issue, making a strange thread even stranger.   
 
Do you realize that your comments make you sound like a bitter babushka  sitting on a bench in front of her apartment building and spitting venom at passersby.
 
A hint for you.  Bitter men don't live long, and if they do, they are miserable.  If you spent some time with older men, you would find many miserable men, some sad men, and some men who enjoy life, perhaps more now than when they were young.   I could give you some advice about this last group such as maintaining a positive, calm, self-assured attitude, finding all people interesting, looking on the bright side, etc.  However us old Bull Gators don't like to waste our energy.
 
You say "tic toc tic toc."  That clock ticks for you too.    You are not the same physical specimen as you were when 20, 30, 40, 50(?).   While your phiscal attributes have declined, have you grown mentally and spiritually?    For example, you have not yet made a decision about one of life's greatest joys, namely children. 
 
When you die, your tombstone will have your birth year, a dash, and the year of your death.  What will your dash say? 
 

[GQBlues]

...When you die, your tombstone will have your birth year, a dash, and the year of your death.  What will your dash say?

"Here lies *THE* man, so sexy, whose uncanny abilities and abundance of skills had kept him from being deluded with fantasies unlike the StickyBuns who couldn't recognize realities if it was stuck deep inside their pampies.

...oh and btw, HE also have cat-like reflexes."

Oh, as far as children is concerned, hate to disappoint you there, too Gator. It was just that it was incredibly important to me - US - that my wife first enjoyed, celebrate, chase then realize her FULL personal potentials and opportunities and accomplished her individual worth within the  sanctity of our union.

I didn't get married because of selfish reasons, personal validation, deluded obsession of self and desperately trying to fill a void at the expense of another. Regardless of another.

You should've found happiness and contentment deep inside of yourself BEFORE you embarked to find it from someone else. You should've learned that lesson 4 years ago, Gator. But alas! You were just too caught up with yourself so much to see beyond yourself.

But I'm not surprised. Till now, however regrettably, you still cannot.

It is people like yourself that plague this entire endeavor. Especially people like yourself. Money can't buy YOU happiness.

[TomT]

Are Mark and Anna still together?
http://www.melodyoflove.odessa.ua/showprofile.php?id=10755#

[Turboguy]

Are Mark and Anna still together?
http://www.melodyoflove.odessa.ua/showprofile.php?id=10755#

Wow, they must not be.  Either that or he is planning to move somewhere that polygamy is allowed. 

[GQBlues]

Are Mark and Anna still together?
http://www.melodyoflove.odessa.ua/showprofile.php?id=10755#

 

Gawd I hope that's an old profile, or someone playing a silly joke....

But then, if it isn't - it won't be surprising. So many other fellow, even some who are active members of this very site, went through this very thing where they turned right around and bought themselves another TRUE love with a pragmatic, traditional Eastern European woman.

This is just getting too funny....

[TomT]

Maybe a scammer hijacked his profile to lure in old FSU women.         
In any case, the credit for this find goes to lovely and clever jamaica.
 
Perhaps someone who is in touch with Mark might ask for a statement.

[Edit to add: some of the photos on that site are quite old. (One of them showed a 2008 calendar on the wall.) On the other hand, "Mark" is in the top 20% for login time. I wonder if he is trolling this site for ladies to market.]

[Slumba]

Are Mark and Anna still together?
http://www.melodyoflove.odessa.ua/showprofile.php?id=10755#

It is obviously an old profile, if you have seen Mark on his youtube videos recently.

[TomT]

Look at the second profile photo.

This profile is in the top 20% of login time. How do you suppose that would be if it's been dormant for half a decade?

[GQBlues]

If this is new/real, maybe someone ought to help him out be successful this time and refer him to Jack or Eduard, no?

[TomT]

Monty will be arriving in Odessa on August 6, 2008:

http://www.melodyoflove.odessa.ua/showprofile.php?id=10362

Captain Obvious would probably say that the entire site is an archive.

[Shadow]

Monty will be arriving in Odessa on August 6, 2008:

http://www.melodyoflove.odessa.ua/showprofile.php?id=10362

Captain Obvious would probably say that the entire site is an archive.

Be careful Tom, Nessie might find your profile as active and looking...

[TomT]

I'm surprised that I didn't find one of my old profiles there.
 

[Gator]

"Here lies *THE* man, so sexy, whose uncanny abilities and abundance of skills had kept him from being deluded with fantasies unlike the StickyBuns who couldn't recognize realities if it was stuck deep inside their pampies.

...oh and btw, HE also have cat-like reflexes."
 

So your tombstone dash is about what you avoided in life rather than your joys and accomplishments.

Oh, as far as children is concerned, hate to disappoint you there, too Gator. It was just that it was incredibly important to me - US - that my wife first enjoyed, celebrate, chase then realize her FULL personal potentials and
opportunities and accomplished her individual worth within the  sanctity of our union.

 
If you were not ready for children, I commend you for not having kids.  Coming from a large family, I imagine you have mixed emotions about the decision.   I am not trying to stick my nose into your personal life, but your marriage shares some key similarities with KenC's marriage of 10 years.   Just file that away please; I neither solicit nor want a response (and certainly do not deserve one).

You should've found happiness and contentment deep inside of yourself BEFORE you embarked to find it from someone else. You should've learned that lesson 4 years ago, Gator. But alas! You were just too caught up with yourself so much to see beyond yourself.
 
But I'm not surprised. Till now, however regrettably, you still cannot.

I admit I made a mistake, but your assumption and judgment are off base.  If anything, I am too contented.  But such is the way of older men who have loved much, accomplished much, given much, and still smell the roses every day. 

It is people like yourself that plague this entire endeavor. Especially people like yourself. Money can't buy YOU happiness.

My, my!  You sure harbor much animosity, and towards a man who bought you a beer and tried to help you during your trip to Moscow.
 
Life is not a dress rehearsal. 

I advise you to learn how to focus on the joys of life and to ignore the little annoyances.
 

[Gator]

 
OLD MEN, COMBAT VETERAN, GOLF STORY

You seem to have little respect much less interest for us senior citizens, but you are a golfer and perhaps you will like this story from yesterday.   
 
 
My Tuesday-Thursday golf group is composed of mostly retired men plus a few working souls who manage to find time every now and then to get away from work and  "honey do" lists.    Our elder statesman is 76, a lovable and true gentleman.  Sabina thought him delightful, and thinking he may be interested in her friends, she asked, "Does the Colonel have any money?"
 
The Colonel did three tours in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot.  Shot down twice.  The second time his entire crew was killed, and he was barely alive when rescued.  While recuperating in a hospital for two months, he learned what was important in life.  And that enlightenment has been his guiding light ever since. 
 
He has many golfing friends, and one of his ex-Army buddies joined us yesterday.  The Colonel said little about him other than he is 82 yo.  I was in his foursome.   That old geezer had a silky swing and beat me on the front nine, shooting a 39.  I was struggling a bit, shooting an 85, and managed to barely beat the 82-yo at the end when he became tired.   When we collected team money from the other foursome, somebody jokingly called the Colonel's friend a "sandbagger."  I responded,  "You can bring any 82-yo you want as long as he hits from the blue tees."    Colonel disclosed after a couple of beers that his friend once won the statewide Senior Golfer Tournament for Washington, decades ago. 
 
Octogenarians can surprise you, not just in golf.

Before you go away, I wish to express my gratitude to you for working and helping to pay my Medicare and Social Security.

[Gator]

I'm surprised that I didn't find one of my old profiles there.

If anyone is looking, let me know if you find my photos.  Below is one I used of me standing in front of my house.