What is an MOB'er?

[GQBlues]

So we go from women in bikinis to bare naked    However, to be honest, I would say that most Russian women under the age of 40 (and many more under the age of 50) already have piles of photos of themselves in their bikinis on their favorite social networking sites...   

You didn't read what I wrote. Next time, please do before responding.
 
I didn't think I actually had to say *nothing at all* - predicated on how much you're willing to pay. The point wasn't the amount of clothing you sorely missed, it was the entire dynamics/idea that drowned out the reason these men where supposed to be there in the first place - and quite possibly any seeming consequences that *can* happen thereafter.

[Daveman]

Me thinks this was GQ's beef. It is really all talk.

Ever heard about MOBers looking for the 'traditional' woman? That AW are such vicious animals who prefer careers to stay-at-home moms bleh, bleh, bleh, so they are making this 'investment' to shag themselves a 'traditional' woman?

Wouldn't a woman who chooses a career be antithetical to a 'traditional' woman?

In that respect, I can understand that this would be exceptional given the culture of the MOBer.

Now, back to reading.

Isn't the "traditional FSU woman" mostly agency hype that members here and other fora consistently debunk?

Even the term itself is ambiguous. I did meet and date the one who aspired to raise a family and stay at home - which is fine by me.  "Traditionally" families had as many kids as possible to work the fields, hunt, for some to merely survive until adulthood - which is not really fine by me .. heh..

I have known more that a few here in the USA with the same dream of staying at home and taking care of the home/family - not having to work.  I know it isn't merely men's projection but rather the nature/desire of the individual woman.  The others were/are career minded ladies who wish to pursue something different - which is fine by me.  I simply don't care because it is her choice.  If she pursues a career, it'll be a benefit to our family as well as a benefit to her individually.  If she chooses to be a stay at home mom it will be the same.

The gift I wish to give my wife is the absolute freedom to choose her own path and to assist where I can for her to reach her full potential.  Full potential doesn't necessarily equate to *career*, or home. It could be a spiritual growth, or some pro bono assistance to a non-profit org. 
If she chooses a path which ultimately results in her becoming financially independent then more power to her.  That, however, is not necessarily a woman's dream or goal and I see no reason to push her in that direction if her 'calling', for lack of a better term, is in a different direction.

How many guys would spend the money for a higher degree so that his wife can fulfill her destiny being some kind of volunteer? bringing no income into the family? That's a distinct possibility in some fields.  Is that also a benefit to the family?  I believe it absolutely is, if the family can afford that, because that is her passion.  And, there are also scholarships (academic or otherwise) and grants available to ease the burden if it is such.

For years, we've had men write about this topic.  Education has been on the list in virtually every thread where this topic comes up.  If this really is "exceptional acts" by a few good men, I'll be rather disappointed but my life and family goes on.

[Misha]

You didn't read what I wrote. Next time, please do before responding.
 
I didn't think I actually had to say *nothing at all* - predicated on how much you're willing to pay. The point wasn't the amount of clothing you sorely missed, it was the entire dynamics/idea that drowned out the reason these men where supposed to be there in the first place - and quite possibly any seeming consequences that *can* happen thereafter.

In that case, thank you for the clarification.


However, I expect that few men really go to Russia with the hopes of finding a "traditional" woman. It may be the rationale, the excuse if you will, but most are certainly looking for a more attractive and/or younger woman than they could find at home.

[calmissile]

Calmissille-

Anyone can Google San Berdo and understand only losers live in that area. If it isn't for Rancho Cucamonga/ Ontario / Riverside, the place would be a silly desolate area for in-breds.

Actually you are just short of a moron!  I do not live in San Bernardino.  Redlands/East Highland/ is one of the most desireable places to live in the Inland Empire.  Google Redlands you moron.

[AnonMod]

GQ's original post did refer to "Redlands", but was edited for other content.

To all posters, please attempt to keep the thread on track without insults.

[calmissile]

Nice blah blah 
Where did I say everyone is as I described and this is gospel thruth? However, I've read a lot (as in MANY) stories just as I've described on FSUW forums for years. They are pretty cookie-cutter with slight variations. I've talked to quite some women personally. Heck, there are enough old goats on this very site with exactly the same mindset. It does happen, much more often than many WM want to admit.
You see old men here are selling their age as having the following features that RW find attractive in a husband: Maturity, will treat you like a princess, stability, financial first and foremost, provides good future for the RW's kids. The ugly thruth is, old husband doesn't come with those features by default. He sure comes with the wrinkled ass though
 
As they say, "With age comes wisdom. However, quite often old age comes alone" 
I really hope girls with young kids realize this simple thruth before the marriage.

You certainly are a charming woman.  Just what every WM is dreaming of marrying.   
Why would a happily married woman spend years on FSUW forums listening to a bunch of bitching women?

Perhaps your attitude might change if you spend your time studying happily married folks.

What's that expression.... "Birds of a feather......"

[Muzh]

Isn't the "traditional FSU woman" mostly agency hype that members here and other fora consistently debunk?

The old timers try to debunk, sometimes unsuccessfully. 

The point you raise Dave is extremely valid. No arguing that.

However, my comment was along the lines of the MOBer zeroing on the 'traditional' RW who will make home cozy and cook tasty dishes. The potential tinderbox being that the RW would like to spread her wings, as in going back to school or getting a job, and the MOBer felling betrayed by her taking advantage of his 'sacrifice.'

Before my wife came here she said she wanted to have a child and be a stay-at-home mom (until school age) before going back to work. We discussed this clearly and I told her that as long as the finances held, I wouldn't mind at all. When she got here she wanted to do some work while we 'practiced' of the procreation thingy. I asked her if she wanted to go to school instead and try to get her license. She had her plans and I knew it was best for her to do things at her own pace.

It was not easy but in the end it worked great for us. I'm about to retire and she is starting her career. Some of our friends asked if we planned it this way. Looking back, it does seem like we did but it just a big coincidence.

[Muzh]

You certainly are a charming woman.  Just what every WM is dreaming of marrying.   
Why would a happily married woman spend years on FSUW forums listening to a bunch of bitching women?

Perhaps your attitude might change if you spend your time studying happily married folks.

What's that expression.... "Birds of a feather......"

IOW, back to the kitchen woman.

LMFAO

[AnonMod]

You certainly are a charming woman.  Just what every WM is dreaming of marrying.   
Why would a happily married woman spend years on FSUW forums listening to a bunch of bitching women?

Perhaps your attitude might change if you spend your time studying happily married folks.

What's that expression.... "Birds of a feather......"

Posts attacking others' spouses or marriages are off limits.

Stick to the topic.

[calmissile]

The old timers try to debunk, sometimes unsuccessfully. 

The point you raise Dave is extremely valid. No arguing that.

However, my comment was along the lines of the MOBer zeroing on the 'traditional' RW who will make home cozy and cook tasty dishes. The potential tinderbox being that the RW would like to spread her wings, as in going back to school or getting a job, and the MOBer felling betrayed by her taking advantage of his 'sacrifice.'

Before my wife came here she said she wanted to have a child and be a stay-at-home mom (until school age) before going back to work. We discussed this clearly and I told her that as long as the finances held, I wouldn't mind at all. When she got here she wanted to do some work while we 'practiced' of the procreation thingy. I asked her if she wanted to go to school instead and try to get her license. She had her plans and I knew it was best for her to do things at her own pace.

It was not easy but in the end it worked great for us. I'm about to retire and she is starting her career. Some of our friends asked if we planned it this way. Looking back, it does seem like we did but it just a big coincidence.

It sounds like you did what many do and I doubt it was a coincidence. 
All the members that I chat with offline, none of them has an idea that they are marrying a woman that will be kept home and baking cookies.  Some that are planning to have children do want the mother to stay home in the childs early years.  That is a traditional custom when the finances allows it.

Where does this propoganda come from that the average AM wants a FSUW to stay at home scrubbing floors.  I have seen none of this with our forum members.

[CanadaMan]

1, Regarding the give and take between Gator and LA ... Why do people on internet discussion boards attempt to draw real life awareness about a person?  It seems obviously impossible, much less inappropriate! 

The two met in real life.

[Ranetka]

The gift I wish to give my wife is the absolute freedom to choose her own path and to assist where I can for her to reach her full potential.  Full potential doesn't necessarily equate to *career*, or home. It could be a spiritual growth, or some pro bono assistance to a non-profit org. 
If she chooses a path which ultimately results in her becoming financially independent then more power to her.  That, however, is not necessarily a woman's dream or goal and I see no reason to push her in that direction if her 'calling', for lack of a better term, is in a different direction.

Yep, but that's where you are the same as the majority and where GBQ is different.


My ex was from the same category - I could do the best I saw fit and he would not discourage me. What it meant in my reality was after 10 hours day work I'd come home and he would tell me "I got you the newspaper, see if anything worth applying". And I was supposed to be studying weekends plus do not forget the housework; he was helping but it would took him 6 hours just to tidy the kitchen having a glass or two now and then so I had choice between cleaning or living in a shithole. It took me years to get a job I wanted because of the circumstances I was in with no support available and having to deal with a number of expensive and emotionally draining family issues on my own.


GQB for a change made his wife's first job happened by using his networking, was willing to postpone children even, willing to go through his wife not taking part in housework etc....And I remember his post, his motivation he is always saying is not to support his wife in whatever she chooses, that's without saying btw but give her the ability to stand on her own feet even if his own life was temporarily getting some discomfort. He was not just assisting he was working on it as much as he could and nearly as hard as she did.


Plus he understand his wife is his parent's future support and he is thinking of stuff like how to organize their life later in time....Just to compare there are many posters here who openly express fear or unwillingness to have her parents as guests, to grandparents speaking Russian to their kids...


Regardless of how I may disagree with him he is more man than 99% here. Every man takes his wife interests at heart when it is not against his wishes or benefits. GQB takes his wife interests at heart even when it's not directly beneficial for him. A Real Man what every woman admires.


He may found his wife through MOB but he is not typical, no.


I do apologize for discussing a member but the whole thread seems to be about it .

[pitbull]

You certainly are a charming woman.  Just what every WM is dreaming of marrying.   
Why would a happily married woman spend years on FSUW forums listening to a bunch of bitching women?

Perhaps your attitude might change if you spend your time studying happily married folks.

What's that expression.... "Birds of a feather......"

Women like me don't marry old goats, some FSUW don't have to compromise believe it or not. I think your fiancee definitely needs access to one of those forums - women do help each other a lot. Oh, yea, and  A LOT of alcohol : )

[CanadaMan]

I don't think GQ is cynical.

Really?

I don't know if GQ is a cynical person in general, but I do know that as far as the MOB business is concerned, he is cynical.

Even GQ would admit to that.

Just read every post he's made in this thread, or better still, every post he's made on this forum!   

[Boethius]

Reality can't be cynical.

[pitbull]

Yep, but that's where you are the same as the majority and where GBQ is different.


My ex was from the same category - I could do the best I saw fit and he would not discourage me. What it meant in my reality was after 10 hours day work I'd come home and he would tell me "I got you the newspaper, see if anything worth applying". And I was supposed to be studying weekends plus do not forget the housework; he was helping but it would took him 6 hours just to tidy the kitchen having a glass or two now and then so I had choice between cleaning or living in a shithole. It took me years to get a job I wanted because of the circumstances I was in with no support available and having to deal with a number of expensive and emotionally draining family issues on my own.


GQB for a change made his wife's first job happened by using his networking, was willing to postpone children even, willing to go through his wife not taking part in housework etc....And I remember his post, his motivation he is always saying is not to support his wife in whatever she chooses, that's without saying btw but give her the ability to stand on her own feet even if his own life was temporarily getting some discomfort. He was not just assisting he was working on it as much as he could and nearly as hard as she did.


Plus he understand his wife is his parent's future support and he is thinking of stuff like how to organize their life later in time....Just to compare there are many posters here who openly express fear or unwillingness to have her parents as guests, to grandparents speaking Russian to their kids...


Regardless of how I may disagree with him he is more man than 99% here. Every man takes his wife interests at heart when it is not against his wishes or benefits. GQB takes his wife interests at heart even when it's not directly beneficial for him. A Real Man what every woman admires.


He may found his wife through MOB but he is not typical, no.


I do apologize for discussing a member but the whole thread seems to be about it .

Ranetka, this is spot on!  Couldn't have said it better! You've described the difference between a real man and an average MOB-er really well. Unfortunately, MOB-ers are just not equipped to understand

[Ranetka]

Bo,

Your choice of words and characterization of the motives for men going to Ukraine to "buy" a wife is insulting and misleading.  Men go to Ukraine and other FSU countries because they cannot find what they are wanting in the US. 

To say that they cannot attract what they want is misleading.

The things I know about your finacee is that she is 38, a single mother of two kids from two different fathers. Is it that hard to come by in the US?


Please note this is in no way a shot at her character (it's a fact without any judgement), it's just I find your reasoning a bit off.




If I was not lazy I would have found a post from Ed and Co where he complained than all single hot 40is AW are single mothers or have issues...

[LiveFromUkraine]

Reality can't be cynical.

Whose reality?  Reality of women bitching about their husbands on a forum or the women that love their husbands and have no need for such forums?

[calmissile]

Women like me don't marry old goats, some FSUW don't have to compromise believe it or not. I think your fiancee definitely needs access to one of those forums - women do help each other a lot. Oh, yea, and  A LOT of alcohol : )

Fair enough!
Men like me do not need to compromise and marry a bitching woman with a nasty disposition.

As far as my fiance having access to forums, she already has including this one.
After reading the insult exchanges and stupid arguments, she chooses to not participate.

She also indicated that after we marry, we will be enjoying our family rather than wasting time on forums.  Makes sense to me.

I like a woman that thinks positive about life rather than make a career out of denigrating other people.  It took some time, but there are FSUW with pleasant, happy personalities.  That's what life's about.

[calmissile]

Whose reality?  Reality of women bitching about their husbands on a forum or the women that love their husbands and have no need for such forums?

+1

[Boethius]

GQ not once mentioned women on forums.  However, you've made a leap in logic.  Not all women posting on FSUW forums are, as you stated, "bitching about their husbands". 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Regardless of how I may disagree with him he is more man than 99% here. Every man takes his wife interests at heart when it is not against his wishes or benefits. GQB takes his wife interests at heart even when it's not directly beneficial for him. A Real Man what every woman admires.

Maybe he has a woman that is worth doing all those things? 

[LiveFromUkraine]

GQ not once mentioned women on forums.  However, you've made a leap in logic.  Not all women posting on FSUW forums are, as you stated, "bitching about their husbands".

You mentioned other forums.  I was responding to you and not GQ if you happened to miss the quote.

[Boethius]

I was responding to a question about GQ, if you happened to miss the post.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I was responding to a question about GQ, if you happened to miss the post.

Quoting the post in your response would help.  It doesn't matter since my question is still on topic with your response.