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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #200 on: February 22, 2013, 12:45:56 PM »
Let me add this up:

-   At RW social gatherings, you can find nothing of interest to discuss with any of the husbands.

-  You like cats.

-  You iron wife's clothes, including her frilly blouses.

-  Though unexpressed, you probably love quiche.

-  You marry a woman who towers in height over you.
 

Yes, indeed, you are different from the vast majority of men.


 
Hold on there pardner.
 
You have a problem with that?
 
I make excellent quiche and my kids love it. Besides I iron my wife's blouses when she is in a hurry and I have the time to do it. Also, I cook all the time. Finally, I have NO problems wearing a pink shirt.
 
It takes a REAL man to wear a pink shirt.
 
Having a little insecurity attack?
 
Because if you are trying to rub his nose, you are failing miserably.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #201 on: February 22, 2013, 12:47:20 PM »
Misha, my hearty congratulations as well! You do know what causes that right?  :D

Yea, same here. I just saw that. You are so lucky having a little girl.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #202 on: February 22, 2013, 01:00:02 PM »

While his comment was crass and uncalled for, the point remains.  Your situation doesn't appear to be different from any number of others to whom you refer as typical MOB'ers....

Here's how it is Daveman. You asked and challenge my statement from another thread on what *I* think of an MOBer is, I told you. You may agree or disagree, that's up to you. It IS my opinion of what an MOBer is.
 
You asked, I told you.  If you have a problem with the response, or think it may be something you won't find acceptable, then I suggest you find a way to fight that battle with yourself...or next time, simply don't ask.
 
If you're only trying to start a dialogue about the subject for the forum, there you have it - multiple pages, andd from what I can see - you got what you paid for in folds, no?  ;)

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If you're going to dive into the archive, I suggest to dive a little deeper.

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #203 on: February 22, 2013, 01:01:12 PM »

...  Your situation doesn't appear to be different from any number of others to whom you refer as typical MOB'ers.. 

...  I did what I wanted to do and found someone who wishes to travel with me through this journey of life.  That's what you did. Misha did. Muzh... the list goes on. That's the alpha and omega.

... You consider yourself unique and different.  That's fine. So am I.  The point is from at least one aspect - all who pursue/marry FSUW have something (or even a lot) in common... we are or were all on that same ship.


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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #204 on: February 22, 2013, 01:13:47 PM »
You also denoted Misha as a social reject - who has been happily married for over five years.


I have to say, though, the use of the term "social reject" seems a bit odd. What are we 16 and back in high school...

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #205 on: February 22, 2013, 01:16:52 PM »

Your situation doesn't appear to be different from any number of others to whom you refer as typical MOB'ers.. 


In all the ranting about GQ as the sanctimonious "AntiChrist II", this thread got off track.  So, I went back to the OP, and GQ's response.  GQ never posted he is "different".  He was asked what is an MOB'er, and he responded.  I don't think he ever said he is superior, even if he believes it (not making a statement, either way).

Note - I see I have X-posted with GQ.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #206 on: February 22, 2013, 01:22:08 PM »


I still don't think MOB'er even applies because it's a meaningless label. Basically, I wanted to date/marry an FSUW. I pursued, dated, broke up, dated again, until I found someone with whom I really wanted to build a future.  I did what I wanted to do and found someone who wishes to travel with me through this journey of life.  That's what you did. Misha did. Muzh... the list goes on. That's the alpha and omega.

Daveman, I went back to the list and I think I know what GQ is referring to.
 
And then again I may be in left field.
 
Regardless, let me try.
 
I think he is making a distinction of what is a sociably adaptive man versus a man who has no clue.
 
The reference of the man obssessed with the goddess-like stature of RW and the severe antipathy towards western women because of their 'lack' of womaness, whatever that means denotes a type of person who is distinctively having problems adapting to their own social surroundings so they embark in this Odysseus-like travel to find acceptance.
 
I believe his argument is that there are men who can do it because they can and then there are men who must do it because there is no other alternative.
 
If that is his argument, then I can agree with his definition of an 'MOBer' as a social reject.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #207 on: February 22, 2013, 01:22:53 PM »
OY! The irrelevant old man...
...Again, making shit up!   It was just over 30, 32 IIRC....

...*IF I REMEMBER CORECTLY*?...You accuse me of making shit up then refute it with a statement containing a disclaimer?  Try again...
 
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LOL! Complain? You have absolutely NOTHING to complain about. That's exactly what I mean when I say you are ridiculously self-absorbed.
 
Mislead you? She NEVER misled you Gator. You just were/are incapable to assume a husband's bedroom role anymore then than you are NOW. You always knew it hence the trips, entertainment, etc...you had nothing left to give as a *man* to a woman. You were/are just hoping upon hope a woman will forego what is otherwise their very basic primal need.
 
LOL...misled you! What a croc! You're in a sad state of denial, you poor old fart.
 
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...You really enjoy throwing insults at people...

Just to MOBers like you... :)
 
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I'd use *Blowhard* but that would be a compliment for you, LOL.
 
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I agree. I thought it was fitting considering how it ended. LOL. But, just as expected, you're too dense to learn simple lessons in life.

 
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For someone who houses a pro-dater, why am I not surpised that would come from you? That was a great example of what I'm talking about. Right there in that lone paragraph. You really have no clue.
 
What did your money do to your marriage and what did my personal touch do with mine? The answer is pretty darn evident.
 
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This is a dandy.
 
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #208 on: February 22, 2013, 02:16:49 PM »

Daveman, I went back to the list and I think I know what GQ is referring to.
 
And then again I may be in left field.
 
Regardless, let me try.
 
I think he is making a distinction of what is a sociably adaptive man versus a man who has no clue.
 
The reference of the man obssessed with the goddess-like stature of RW and the severe antipathy towards western women because of their 'lack' of womaness, whatever that means denotes a type of person who is distinctively having problems adapting to their own social surroundings so they embark in this Odysseus-like travel to find acceptance.
 
I believe his argument is that there are men who can do it because they can and then there are men who must do it because there is no other alternative.
 
If that is his argument, then I can agree with his definition of an 'MOBer' as a social reject.

Excellent Muzh, with one suggestion.  Instead of  "If that is his argument, then I can agree with his definition of an 'MOBer' as a social reject how about "....I can agree with his opinion that possibly a significant number of those who marry a MOB had no other alternative because AW will not give them the time of day."     
 
IMO the term "social reject" encompasses much more than romantic rejection, it includes peer rejection, even family rejection.   Frankly, GQ in his assertiveness in this thread but elsewhere comes across as someone who would bully the unfortunate.  Look how he attempts to insult me just because I am older albeit smarter, prettier, richer, and most important, a much better golfer.
 
You could be a consultant after you retire.
 
 

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #209 on: February 22, 2013, 02:29:27 PM »
 
 

 
Hold on there pardner.
 
You have a problem with that?
 
I make excellent quiche and my kids love it. Besides I iron my wife's blouses when she is in a hurry and I have the time to do it. Also, I cook all the time. Finally, I have NO problems wearing a pink shirt.
 
It takes a REAL man to wear a pink shirt.
 
Having a little insecurity attack?
 
Because if you are trying to rub his nose, you are failing miserably.

 :ROFL:
 

 
Yes, and you probably sit when you pee.    :D I admit I do if at night and I am still feeling the booze (better than having to clean up in the morning).

Maybe you know this, but the quiche comes from the popular 1982 book, Real Men Don't Eat Quiche, followed up by Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal.   It was a "a bestselling tongue-in-cheek book satirizingstereotypes of masculinity."    I dislike quiche because it is unhealthy in its normal form(cheese, eggs, bacon, crust) and insipid in its healthy form.

Pink is good, so are tassel loafers.   But the ironong.  Isn't your time worth more than the $2 for a Korean laundry to wash and press it?
 
How about the top of my list - not finding anything interesting in conversations with husbands of RW?    Please tell me your opinion of husbands of RW whom you have met in your area.   Here, they are a motley group.  For example, I had a lengthy and most interesting discussion with a professor of physiology.  Others may consider him a bit nerdy, but I found him fascinating as we discussed the interrelationships of human organs,  possibly a  Steven Hawking of physiology.   Only a person with a narrow world would consider him a social reject. 

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #210 on: February 22, 2013, 02:31:45 PM »

Excellent Muzh, with one suggestion.  Instead of  "If that is his argument, then I can agree with his definition of an 'MOBer' as a social reject how about "....I can agree with his opinion that possibly a significant number of those who marry a MOB had no other alternative because AW will not give them the time of day."     
 
IMO the term "social reject" encompasses much more than romantic rejection, it includes peer rejection, even family rejection.   Frankly, GQ in his assertiveness in this thread but elsewhere comes across as someone who would bully the unfortunate.  Look how he attempts to insult me just because I am older albeit smarter, prettier, richer, and most important, a much better golfer.
 
You could be a consultant after you retire.

Not so sure the term is meant for only romantic rejection. People that are rejected romantically but still accepted by peers are not considered social rejects.
 
What we were talking here are about men who have difficulty coming to grips with societal changes, thus the rejection from their peers. Well, I have to redefine peers. There can be a group of social rejects who can offer mutual support.
 
Point is the person in question thinks that by venturing to a different country and different culture, he has an opportunity to find acceptance. That may be the case, except when such person returns home, nothing has changed as far as his view of society is concerned. However, the new person acompanying him will eventually understand the primary reason for his venture and it is up to her to live with the drawbacks or look for an equal basis.
 
It is not rocket science.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #211 on: February 22, 2013, 02:34:16 PM »

But the ironong.  Isn't your time worth more than the $2 for a Korean laundry to wash and press it?
 

I don't have a Korean laundry nearby. We do regulate the living shit out of them though.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #212 on: February 22, 2013, 02:39:02 PM »

I don't have a Korean laundry nearby. We do regulate the living shit out of them though.

We have lots of laundries and dry cleaners nearby.  But clothes don't look as good, or last as long, when dry cleaned/commercially laundered.  So, I launder and iron my own clothes as well.  I even iron the kids' t-shirts.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #213 on: February 22, 2013, 02:41:33 PM »
Point is the person in question thinks that by venturing to a different country and different culture, he has an opportunity to find acceptance.


Find acceptance? How many men really go to the FSU so find "acceptance." Most go IMHO because the dating is easier and it is possible to find a larger pool of women looking for husbands.


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That may be the case, except when such person returns home, nothing has changed as far as his view of society is concerned.

View of society?!? The goal is to find one person who will love you and respect you, a person that you can love and respect as well. How "society" views it is irrelevant.

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Or, they will simply settle down in a loving marriage.

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #214 on: February 22, 2013, 02:46:00 PM »
Misha, it's Friday and I'm heading home. Good Night.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #215 on: February 22, 2013, 02:51:09 PM »

Here's how it is Daveman. You asked and challenge my statement from another thread on what *I* think of an MOBer is, I told you. You may agree or disagree, that's up to you. It IS my opinion of what an MOBer is.
 
You asked, I told you.  If you have a problem with the response, or think it may be something you won't find acceptable, then I suggest you find a way to fight that battle with yourself...or next time, simply don't ask.


I have zero problem with your list or your opinion. It's neither acceptable nor unacceptable, but rather is what it is... Personally, I find it odd, humorous, and also some excellent points when taken in proper context. Oh yeah, and INTERESTING... but nothing offensive nor life shattering.   



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If you're only trying to start a dialogue about the subject for the forum, there you have it - multiple pages, andd from what I can see - you got what you paid for in folds, no?  ;)   


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Nah, I don't have the time.  The point being is that there are some long term happily married folk who, by some standard of measure, may or may not be classified as socially inept, or rejects, or whatever but are indeed a soul mate, other half, whatever phrasing du jour, of an FSUW.  They rode the same ship in pretty much the same way, arriving at a similar destination..


(keep in mind everyone, this is just a discussion, tossing around some interesting, IMO, chatter which will hopefully be both interesting and beneficial for the forum) 


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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #216 on: February 22, 2013, 02:53:55 PM »

We have lots of laundries and dry cleaners nearby.  But clothes don't look as good, or last as long, when dry cleaned/commercially laundered.  So, I launder and iron my own clothes as well.  I even iron the kids' t-shirts.

A little obsessive compulsive, huh?

I have found that if I stretch the t-shirts and then fold them, that they look just like they were just  ironed.  But you have to line up all of the seams.

My mother was a home economics teacher.  The first thing we learned at the age of ten was that you iron the back of the collar first, then the shoulders.  Then the inside of the back of the shirt.  Then you iron the front of the shirt, folded over on the back, and then finally the sleeves. 

This is for button downs.  All under 60 seconds.

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #217 on: February 22, 2013, 03:00:52 PM »
GQ,

It is best that we stop responding to each other.  You are a crass individual, and I refuse to be drug into the gutter.   I fear I may show a disturbing side if this continues.  Ranetka is correct (smart, classy woman).
 
Besides I have a full weekend starting with theater tonight ("Flashdance"),  golf Saturday and Sunday,  an antique auction preview Saturday afternoon, a dinner at a good seafood restaurant tomorrow, and maybe a family taco night with my sons Sunday (but one son may avoid me as he needs to cleanup the mess he left in his room of 19 years).   If no tacos, an action film with my 13-yo stepson and mama, and maybe some driving range time before that.     

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #218 on: February 22, 2013, 03:08:28 PM »

GQ never posted he is "different".  He was asked what is an MOB'er, and he responded.  I don't think he ever said he is superior, even if he believes it (not making a statement, either way).


Please explain:
"The majority of them (yes, not all) are social rejects and old geezers. You can literally see that in their daily postings."

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #219 on: February 22, 2013, 03:32:37 PM »

We have lots of laundries and dry cleaners nearby.  But clothes don't look as good, or last as long, when dry cleaned/commercially laundered.  So, I launder and iron my own clothes as well.  I even iron the kids' t-shirts.

I love ironing our own clothes. I always had done that even as a small child.  Now that Time Warner televises the Lakers all the time, it makes for a perfect time to pull out some clothes and iron away, man..Sometimes I do it, sometimes she does...
 
Besides, there's something *nice* and *special* about seeing my wife smile and kisses me for being so thoughtful and caring.
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #220 on: February 22, 2013, 03:33:21 PM »
GQ,

It is best that we stop responding to each other.  You are a crass individual, and I refuse to be drug into the gutter....

LOL. What a hoot!
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #221 on: February 22, 2013, 03:37:18 PM »
A little obsessive compulsive, huh?

I have found that if I stretch the t-shirts and then fold them, that they look just like they were just  ironed.  But you have to line up all of the seams.

My mother was a home economics teacher.  The first thing we learned at the age of ten was that you iron the back of the collar first, then the shoulders.  Then the inside of the back of the shirt.  Then you iron the front of the shirt, folded over on the back, and then finally the sleeves. 

This is for button downs.  All under 60 seconds.

There are newer *hybrid* materials now that you need to be made aware of that just isn't the same way as any other. Steam, or splashes of water helps in some, while not others. Then of course, proper temeprature settings must always be right...
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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #222 on: February 23, 2013, 02:17:50 AM »

 
 :ROFL:
 

 
Yes, and you probably sit when you pee.    :D

Toilet bowls are designed for sitting. Most men will stand and pee in front of them of course and it's inevitable that they will splash or spray at some point. That's why they have urinals and why they are designed the way they are but I don't have a urinal at home, do you?

I, personally, don't like to clean up dried piss around the toilet and I respect my wife too much to expect her to do it for me. How about you?

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #223 on: February 23, 2013, 07:44:50 AM »
sitting on the toilet seat?  isn't that unhygienic?

the only way i can prevent dunking my johnson into the toilet water is to stand perfectly upright.  doesn't every man face that problem?

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Re: What is an MOB'er?
« Reply #224 on: February 23, 2013, 07:54:51 AM »

How interesting.  I knew of your trip and I thought you would welcome a little break one afternoon to meet two RW who did not have a horse in the race, namely Irina aka as the famous "Donna Pedro" and my Moscow woman.  I thought both tried to help you that day.   And you thought it was a mistake.  No wonder you did not buy a round of pivo after I bought the first round.   


accepted a round of beer... but didn't reciprocate?

being cheap --- one of my top 5 pet peeves (or should i say, peevos).

say it ain't so, gqb!


 

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