Are FSUW (generally) better?

[noelscot]

Specifically, are FSUW better than WW. If so, why?




 

[Misha]

No.

[BillyB]

Specifically, are FSUW better than WW. If so, why?

Most good WW are married and stay married. Many good RW won't get married just for the sake of it. They hold out until they find a suitable man  and are more likely available.


 Don't take my opinion for it. Go to a free dating site in America and in the FSU. Say Craigslist vs freepersonals. After looking at the photos and reading profiles, there's a huge difference among the average women from America and FSU. WW at Craigslist are more overweight and tend to be drug friendly. RW physically look like women, dress nicer, and have a more intelligent profile, higher education and they seem more geared for family, not independence and partying.

[pitbull]

Nope 

[calmissile]

Most good WW are married and stay married. Many good RW won't get married just for the sake of it. They hold out until they find a suitable man  and are more likely available.


 Don't take my opinion for it. Go to a free dating site in America and in the FSU. Say Craigslist vs freepersonals. After looking at the photos and reading profiles, there's a huge difference among the average women from America and FSU. WW at Craigslist are more overweight and tend to be drug friendly. RW physically look like women, dress nicer, and have a more intelligent profile, higher education and they seem more geared for family, not independence and partying.

Yep, and Billy has captured some of the reasons.

[ML]

Don't take my opinion for it. Go to a free dating site in America and in the FSU. Say Craigslist vs freepersonals. After looking at the photos and reading profiles, there's a huge difference among the average women from America and FSU. WW at Craigslist are more overweight and tend to be drug friendly. RW physically look like women, dress nicer, and have a more intelligent profile, higher education and they seem more geared for family, not independence and partying.

Billy, you are comparing apples and oranges.

The best looking, educated, and SLENDER WW are not found on any dating sites.  They are highly sought after through day to day work and social channels because they are in very short supply.

Thus you find mostly the not good looking, uneducated and obese WW on the dating sites.

In FSU, it is just the opposite.  The not good looking, uneducated and obese FSUW take one look at their competition on the dating sites and give it a pass.  And agencies will not let these women on their websites either.

Now, can someone post a few pictures that go against the idea I have set out above.  Of course . . . there are always exceptions.

[Boethius]

Billy, you are comparing apples and oranges.

The best looking, educated, and SLENDER WW are not found on any dating sites.  They are highly sought after through day to day work and social channels because they are in very short supply.

Thus you find mostly the not good looking, uneducated and obese WW on the dating sites.

In FSU, it is just the opposite.  The not good looking, uneducated and obese FSUW take one look at their competition on the dating sites and give it a pass.  And agencies will not let these women on their websites either.

Now, can someone post a few pictures that go against the idea I have set out above.  Of course . . . there are always exceptions.

I don't think that is why.  By the time FSUM hit their thirties, alcohol takes its toll among many.  More, proportionately, than in the West (and, I include drug addiction as well).  So, there are fewer available men.


Many attractive women in the West who are divorced, particularly after age 40, don't necessarily wish to remarry.  They may want a companion, but they have sufficient income to survive on their own, and don't necessarily want marriage.  That is also a factor in why there are fewer available women.  Uneducated WW often don't have sufficient income to go it alone, which is why they often are looking.


Then, of course, there is the other side of the coin, which is to ask what do all these men seeking FSUW have to offer WW of equal beauty and intellect?  More than one (though note, I do not say all) I submit, cannot compete for these women, and that is why the look abroad.

[ML]

More than one, I submit, cannot compete for these women, and that is why the look abroad.

Who is the other man (men)???   

[Boethius]

Well (almost) no one here, of course.

[BillyB]

The best looking, educated, and SLENDER WW................ are in very short supply.

I can agree to that and there's an abundunce of RW who fit that description.

The not good looking, uneducated and obese FSUW take one look at their competition on the dating sites and give it a pass. 

That's hard to believe. Most people don't look at their competition before signing up at a dating site. They look at their potential partners. Ugly FSU women are free to sign up at a free dating site as much as the pretty girls. One reason I mentioned Craigslist and freepersonals.ru is because those sites don't create barriers for women signing up based on beauty or cost. FSU also has their version of social networking sites and those FSU girls beat Facebook girls.

By the time FSUM hit their thirties, alcohol takes its toll among many.  More, proportionately, than in the West (and, I include drug addiction as well).  So, there are fewer available men.

That doesn't explain why there is a large quantity of desirable FSU women available. With fewer men, beautiful women still get first pick of the guys who don't drink an die early and are more family oriented. Ugly girls will then have much fewer options to get married to RM and one would think they would dominate the singles scene and create an abundance for us WM but it's not so.

Many attractive women in the West who are divorced, particularly after age 40, don't necessarily wish to remarry. 

Whether or not someone wants to marry or stay single, if they're on the dating site, they are available and will be judged by potential mates. The average RW who's single  still beats the average WW who's single.

Then, of course, there is the other side of the coin, which is to ask what do all these men seeking FSUW have to offer WW of equal beauty and intellect?  More than one (though note, I do not say all) I submit, cannot compete for these women, and that is why the look abroad.

Some guys are rejects and hope to find any woman even with poor qualities but it's normal for most people to look for quality in a mate. Supply and demand comes into play and demand is higher for quality people. If in America and Europe the supply of quality women is low and in the FSU the supply is high, that is where some of us will go. Others will stay at home for personal, patriotic, or financial reasons and settle for less in a woman.

[calmissile]

I don't think that is why.  By the time FSUM hit their thirties, alcohol takes its toll among many.  More, proportionately, than in the West (and, I include drug addiction as well).  So, there are fewer available men.

Partly true but there are other reasons as well.  I am often told that divorced men in the FSU do not want to marry because they can have nearly all the benefits without the responsibilites of marriege by having a girlfriend. 

Furthermore I am told that many of the men in this category are lazy and expect their girlfriend or wife to support them.

So the combined reasons no doubt result in fewer desireable men for marriage.


Many attractive women in the West who are divorced, particularly after age 40, don't necessarily wish to remarry.  They may want a companion, but they have sufficient income to survive on their own, and don't necessarily want marriage.  That is also a factor in why there are fewer available women. 

Partly true also.  However the middle aged women that are financially independent are often the ones that cannot compete with FSU women (in appearance) and are not looking for a husband because men are  not interested in them.

The 'hot' ones in this category have no problems finding a husband and many, if not most are entering into subsequent marriages.

The women libbers are not interested in a husband and the men are not interested in them.

Uneducated WW often don't have sufficient income to go it alone, which is why they often are looking.

True

Then, of course, there is the other side of the coin, which is to ask what do all these men seeking FSUW have to offer WW of equal beauty and intellect?  More than one (though note, I do not say all) I submit, cannot compete for these women, and that is why the look abroad.

True.  There are so few WW in this category that they are very much in demand.  There are not enough of them to go around, hence supply and demand.  The men search elsewhere.

[Boethius]

Furthermore I am told that many of the men in this category are lazy and expect their girlfriend or wife to support them.

That is not my experience in Ukraine, and I believe it is a justification.  As is the assertion that there is a shortage of WW.

[calmissile]

That is not my experience in Ukraine, and I believe it is a justification.  As is the assertion that there is a shortage of WW.

There is no shortage of WW.  There is a shortage of WW that WM want to marry!
Think about it......
If WW had the attributes of FSUW, why would a man spend so much money and time to import someone with a language barrier plus all the additional costs of trips, and immigration.

The age gap is one legitimate reason, but the rest of the reasons all deal with culture, how the women take care of themselves, how they treat their husbands, etc.

[Boethius]

There is no shortage of WW.  There is a shortage of WW that WM want to marry!
Think about it......
If WW had the attributes of FSUW, why would a man spend so much money and time to import someone with a language barrier plus all the additional costs of trips, and immigration.

Most WM are not going abroad to seek wives.  So obviously, someone is marrying WW.

The age gap is one legitimate reason, but the rest of the reasons all deal with culture, how the women take care of themselves, how they treat their husbands, etc.

If FSUW treated their husbands as well as you claim, FSU divorce stats would not be almost identical to those in the West.


In this regard, again, the differences are virtually non existent.  Some FSUW cheat.   Some drink.  Some treat their husbands badly.  Some treat them very well.  Just like in the West.

[calmissile]

Most WM are not going abroad to seek wives.  So obviously, someone is marrying WW.

In fact many of them prefer to remain single rather than marry a WW.  Only very few have the balls and finances to seek a foreign wife.  The millions of foreign wives brought home by our servicemen is an indication of what some WM prefer when the costs are not so great.



If FSUW treated their husbands as well as you claim, FSU divorce stats would not be almost identical to those in the West.

I think you have already convered some of the reasons why the divorce rates are so high in the FSU.   You can also add infidelity to the list which is purported to be rampad in FSU countries.

In this regard, again, the differences are virtually non existent.  Some FSUW cheat.   Some drink.  Some treat their husbands badly.  Some treat them very well.  Just like in the West.

[Ade]

Specifically, are FSUW better than WW. If so, why?

Define "better" please because really, in any way I can think of, in the general sense, the answer is no.


Having said that, my wife is "better" for me, or more compatible with me to be precise, than other women I have met here or anywhere but that has more to do with her personality than her being a Russian.

[YoungBuck]

I think your question is,

Are the FSUW you can attract generally better than WW? I would resoundingly say YES.

If you fish, you would know that some bait works better for certain types of fish. For instance, I like to use a doughy/sticky mix covered in mustard to fish surf perch (I like the flavor). So, I will take my bait to the rocks at the breakwater and go for these guys.

The same goes for women; I offer certain qualities that are appreciated more in certain cultures than in the US. Luckily for me, those qualities attract the type of women I desire.

Why are you thinking about this?

[Doll]

No. They are different a little. Mostly they are not better.

[Ade]

I think your question is,

Are the FSUW you can attract generally better than WW? I would resoundingly say YES.

Again, define "better".

[Doll]

Define "better" please because really, in any way I can think of, in the general sense, the answer is no.


 

Don't start! 
You're lucky guys- I need to go to work)))))) My (another) lecture why RW are "better" for WM are delayed))))))))
 
I agree- apples to apples, gentlemen!

[Doll]

If you fish

I like this typo!
Fish or shop)))))))))

[vwrw]

[size=78%]If you fish, you would know that some bait works better for certain types of fish. For instance, I like to use a doughy/sticky mix covered in mustard to fish surf perch (I like the flavor). So, I will take my bait to the rocks at the breakwater and go for these guys.[/size]

The same goes for women; I offer certain qualities that are appreciated more in certain cultures than in the US.

Right!   Try to use GC as the bait to catch AW, you will have no success whatsoever; however, in different cultures your citizenship may add you value as a groom.

[vwrw]

Generally, RW are not better. However, they are better relatively, meaning any particular western man can get a better deal in FSU than locally unless, of course,  perfectly spoken English is his major requirement for a potential life partner 

[Ade]

Generally, RW are not better. However, they are better relatively, meaning any particular western man can get a better deal in FSU than locally unless, of course,  perfectly spoken English is his major requirement for a potential life partner

Still not getting the definition of "better" from anyone.


But I'm guessing most of the MOB hunting dudes will come up with something along the lines of, "prettier, slimmer, deferential, younger, dress sense from the 70's".

[Turboguy]

Better can be a highly personal term.  For one person much more beautiful might be the key thing in better for another they may care far less about the physical side and better educated might be the key point so I don't know if there is a one size fits all definition for "better"


Better


Russian women tend to be more fit and better built than AW
Russian women tend to be less of a feminist bent and to be more concerned with a good marriage and to dress in a more feminine manner.
Russian women tend to be better educated than American women
Many find the Slavic look to be more attractive than many American women


Better choices


As VWRW pointed out an AM can usually find woman in the FSU that would have little interest in him in America
RW tend to have less baggage than AW
He can more easily find a younger women who would be interested in him than he could find in America


Worse


Looking for a RW entails a much greater investment of time and money than an AW
If he feels a two income family is important this might be much more difficult with a RW
If he is unrealistic (or unlucky) in his search he stands a much greater chance of being a mule with a RW
The ongoing expenses with a RW can be much higher than with an American woman  (trips home, support of family etc)
The cultural differences can create a problem if a man is unrealistic in his expectations.
Meaningful communication can be difficult if her English is not good
There are other factors that can come up that the unaware may not be prepared for such as dental problems, etc
Many Russian women have no idea of budgets and how finances operate in America.


So are they better.   I am sure like many AM I would not have taken the time and investment to search in the FSU if I didn't think they were and that is a decision I have never regretted.  They are better in lots of important ways but there are ways that they are worse and for those whose priorities are different than mine they could well be worse.