Are FSUW (generally) better?

[OmegaSupreme]

noelscot hit the nail on the head. His observations closely match mine, from what I have seen so far.

[Ade]

noelscot hit the nail on the head. His observations closely match mine, from what I have seen so far.

Confirmation bias

[BillyB]

  AM get tired quite soon of RW "being tough" or their being direct (when they call things how they are).
 
AM are used to endless smiles, sugar coating and flattering.
IMHO

Weak AM will not like tough and direct RW and will get ran over.


I talked to my wife about this and her directness. I told her she needs to change some things about herself because this culture isn't going to change for her. When she get into the workforce, she'll understand more about what I'm saying.


Once we were at a store and my wife wanted to look at some items in a glass case. A group of teenagers were there with one girl leaning on the case. Can't remember what the exact words were but she said something direct like "I want to see something in the case". The girl looked at her strangely and didn't move. I politely asked her if we can look behind the case and she moved.


As we walked off, my wife commented how rude the girl was. I told her she's right and she looks low class but even so, be polite with people to get results. She said she was right to say what she said yet I'm the one that got results. I try to teach her that there's different ways to be right when talking to people but it's more important to get results.


My aunt is married to a doctor and they hired a RW doctor. They fired her after a few months. The RW doctor knew her business but she was not polite with patients/customers. In greeting new patients in the lobby, she would say something like "Come with me." in a harsh tone with a dull expression on her face instead of a calm happy tone with a smile "Hello (name). Could you please follow me?" My aunt and her husband wanted to keep her but they finally accepted the fact they couldn't reprogram her.


If a tough RW isn't a smart RW, she ends up pushing her husband away, can't get people to do what she asks, and won't be completely successful in the American workplace. I'm not into political correctness and being nicey nicey all the time but in working around people I prefer to get results than to be right.

[OmegaSupreme]

Confirmation bias

The same, of course, can be applied to you as well. I only know what I've seen, and what I've seen closely matched what noelscot said.

[Ade]

The same, of course, can be applied to you as well. I only know what I've seen, and what I've seen closely matched what noelscot said.

Yes, but the interest you delusional MOB hunter types (and commercial members) have vested far exceeds mine.

And as objective compasses go, you can't beat Pitbull and Boethius. 

[OmegaSupreme]

Classifying me as a delusional MOB hunter type is pretty far from the mark. I live in Ukraine right now, for work, and have not made finding a wife a priority, so I think I don't really fall into that stereotype. There are certainly delusions with many of them, though, I'll definitely agree with you on that. However, based on my own experience with dating and being in relationships with both AW and RW/UW, I can say that the latter have been far more gratifying than the former.

[GQBlues]

Women are women.

Besides, it's pretty darn weak for any man to be classifying women based mostly on the physicality in the first place, when even that, it's highly subjective.

The fact* is, if FSUW is *better* than AWs, then men will no longer be going to FSU because it appears there are far more FSUWs living in the US searching for relationships than there are now available in the FSU's MOB, if not just as many.

Of course, the caveat there is - *you better be more than just a toad with a passport to compete.* love.mail.ru - love.rambler.ru - the mamba network - it's been there for close to the decade now if you don't believe me.

Now...if you lined up the *men* who chases and swear for these women, then you'd understand the reason for their biases. When they say these women are *better*, it really have nothing to do with the women actually being prettier, smarter, more feminine, etc....it has more to do that these women, because of disparities in the standard of living, would actually date men they otherwise wouldn't. Now you compare what the men are able to date *here* vs *there* then you see the bases of their biased opinion.

It's easy to decipher this from their posts even if you haven't seen these men's photos (You will one of these days when you attend one of those AM/FSUW parties, LOL), when their immediate base of comparison are fat women then that should automatically tell you the only classification of US women willing enough to date them are those usually termed socially undesirables. Then ask yourself the question - why do you think that is, right?

Do you folks honestly *believe* that if young beautiful, home grown US women are breaking down their doors for a date and hump - they've be in a plane to fly halfway across the globe to date someone who can barely speak English? Hell, no.

There's a huge difference between having the FSU as one of your options - as opposed to having the FSU being your only option. Heed the warning, boys. If it's the latter, work on yourself FIRST before passing 'GO'. If not, better learn how to be good at being able to take the *Bad* with the *Good*

Filter the noise, bruddah. The truth is usually in front of each of you.

[alex330]

The fact* is, if FSUW is *better* than AWs, then men will no longer be going to FSU because it appears there are far more FSUWs living in the US searching for relationships than there are now available in the FSU's MOB, if not just as many.

And this is exactly what I see occurring down here in South Florida at the moment.

Now...if you lined up the *men* who chases and swear for these women, then you'd understand the reason for their biases. When they say these women are *better*, it really have nothing to do with the women actually being prettier, smarter, more feminine, etc....it has more to do that these women, because of disparities in the standard of living, would actually date men they otherwise wouldn't.

It's easy to decipher this from their posts even if you haven't seen these men's photos (You will one of these days when you attend one of those AM/FSUW parties, LOL), when their immediate base of comparison are fat women then that should automatically tells you the only classification of US women willing enough to date them are those usually termed socially undesirables. Then ask yourself - why do you think that is, right?

I keep hearing this and have no idea what parties or events you are attending, but it is obviously very different than what I see. None of the married men we know are undesireables in any way. All the relationships are very normal and the men have no problems dating women locally.

It would be interesting to play a game of "put up or shut up" with a few of the members who think they are not the average MOB types or are not typical MOB hunters. We could post pictures of the husband and wife, previous women the men dated,
education level, financial situation, blah, blah, blah. I have a feeling those that are denying it may find that they are more of a MOB type than they would like to admit. 

[Misha]

it has more to do that these women, because of disparities in the standard of living, would actually date men they otherwise wouldn't. Now you compare what the men are able to date *here* vs *there* then you see the bases of their biased opinion.

I have explained why dating is easier in Russia. The "disparities" are not merely a question of relative incomes, it also has to do with the challenge women face finding a man who meet even the most minimal of standards. My wife has a friend who returned to her ex-boyfriend, a fellow who threw her out in the middle of the night in the winter in St. Petersburg when she was wearing only a nightgown. She is attractive and in her later twenties. Her rationale for her decision? At least he does not drink and do drugs. Once a woman is in her mid-to-late-twenties, it becomes harder and harder to find decent candidates. This makes dating in Russia easier as a decent guy, who is not an alcoholic who is somewhat educated can date much more easily than would be the case in many places in North America.

[BillyB]

 it's pretty darn weak for any man to be classifying women based mostly on the physicality in the first place,

How many guys here have ever picked the ugliest woman they've seen and attempted a relationship with her?


With all the political correctness and talk of admiring physical attributes of a human is shallow, truth is we all place value in the beauty of a men and women. We don't accept someone's inner beauty until we accept their outer beauty. Every trip report I've read, if a guy compares the beauty of FSU and American women walking down the street, FSU women win.


What does this all mean? FSU women are marriage material? NO. It means there are more beautiful women in the FSU a guy will open his heart to compared to what's walking down the street in America.

[LiveFromUkraine]

What does this all mean? FSU women are marriage material? NO. It means there are more beautiful women in the FSU a guy will open his heart to compared to what's walking down the street in America.

Yet, fat men go to FSU countries looking for thin, beautiful women.   I think the animosity we have seen on this forum  has something to do with this type of mentality. 


Should these types of men, who are not willing to better themselves, be worthy of an upgrade?

[Misha]

Should these types of men, who are not willing to better themselves, be worthy of an upgrade?

The only person truly qualified to judge whether a man is "worthy of an upgrade" is the woman he will eventually marry. If a man finds a woman who truly loves him [and that is truly the key question] then why should anybody care who is worthy?

[OmegaSupreme]

The only person truly qualified to judge whether a man is "worthy of an upgrade" is the woman he will eventually marry. If a man finds a woman who truly loves him [and that is truly the key question] then why should anybody care who is worthy?

Exactly. People decide for themselves who they are in love with, and it's not for us to judge. Regardless of the insanely unbalanced cases that many of us have seen in international dating, there are certainly happy couples who have emerged.

[Boethius]

I believe the point was, without economic disparity, no "love" would exist, and that further, that "love" is illusory, hence, the large numbers of FSUW stateside seeking mates.

[OmegaSupreme]

Yes, possibly, but only if you want to paint every relationship with the same brush. Which I don't believe is helpful to everyone, as not all situations are the same.

[Boethius]

I don't see any poster painting every relationship with the same brush.  It is a generalization.  Just like the generalization that is the topic of this particular thread.

[OmegaSupreme]

I see it just a few posts above, actually. It might have to do with what you might want to read into what people say. Of course the original post is a generalization, but at the same time, such generalizations exist for a reason. The only problem is pointing out how much of it is a fact and how much is fantasy.

[Misha]

I believe the point was, without economic disparity, no "love" would exist, and that further, that "love" is illusory, hence, the large numbers of FSUW stateside seeking mates.

There are a number of people here who post (or posted in the past) who did find a woman that they love and who loves them. I don't see the need either to assume that nobody has ever found love in the endeavour...

[Boethius]

I see it just a few posts above, actually. It might have to do with what you might want to read into what people say. Of course the original post is a generalization, but at the same time, such generalizations exist for a reason. The only problem is pointing out how much of it is a fact and how much is fantasy.

No, the theme was developed more broadly on another thread.

There are a number of people here who post (or posted in the past) who did find a woman that they love and who loves them. I don't see the need either to assume that nobody has ever found love in the endeavour...

Which is not what I posted.

[BillyB]

Should these types of men, who are not willing to better themselves, be worthy of an upgrade?

I agree with Misha it's for the women to decide. I doubt a fat man has only his fat to offer a woman. If a woman can tolerate a guys looks and weight and if she finds him having good morals, character, financially stable, and good father material, then she may marry an overweight man if she considers him overall a better man than what is available to her. If a guy is overweight and doesn't care about his hygiene he limits himself to the choices of women he could potentially have if he did take care of his physical appearance better but if he can catch a quality woman, then maybe he has a lot of good going for him according to the woman that would marry him.


I have no problem with people getting upgrades. If a person wants to upgrade their job by moving out of state or country to improve their life, that is a smart thing to do. If a guy wants to get a better woman by going out of country than what he can get here, that is a smart thing to do. If a RW wants to find a better man and financial stability to have a family outside of her country than what's available at home, that is a smart thing to do. It's not so smart to accept less when there is better available.

[calmissile]

I agree with Misha it's for the women to decide. I doubt a fat man has only his fat to offer a woman. If a woman can tolerate a guys looks and weight and if she finds him having good morals, character, financially stable, and good father material, then she may marry an overweight man if she considers him overall a better man than what is available to her. If a guy is overweight and doesn't care about his hygiene he limits himself to the choices of women he could potentially have if he did take care of his physical appearance better but if he can catch a quality woman, then maybe he has a lot of good going for him according to the woman that would marry him.


I have no problem with people getting upgrades. If a person wants to upgrade their job by moving out of state or country to improve their life, that is a smart thing to do. If a guy wants to get a better woman by going out of country than what he can get here, that is a smart thing to do. If a RW wants to find a better man and financial stability to have a family outside of her country than what's available at home, that is a smart thing to do. It's not so smart to accept less when there is better available.

+1

And I believe your point is that FSU women may not have physical appearance (of men) as their first priority, where it is often the case with men.    Mars vs. Venus.       

[Boethius]

Well, you may be told that, but it isn't true.    However, what people find attractive differs.

[LiveFromUkraine]

+1

And I believe your point is that FSU women may not have physical appearance (of men) as their first priority, where it is often the case with men.    Mars vs. Venus.       

It sounds more like Maslow's hierarchy of needs.  Otherwise you would be seeing women in the west with higher age gaps and fatter men.   The thing is they don't need men in the west with more jobs available and government assistance.


Many men say women are having inflated criteria.  What is different if it isn't economic incentives?  You see the same in the west with rich guys that are dating prettier women.  It just costs a lot more in the west.   


With that said, most women will not date a man below them while men don't really care.  More women are attending college than men.  More women are taking on managerial roles.   I believe this will mean less men available for women based on their criteria.  You are already seeing this in the black community and I truly believe it is starting to spill over in other communities.

[Slumba]

I believe the point was, without economic disparity, no "love" would exist, and that further, that "love" is illusory, hence, the large numbers of FSUW stateside seeking mates.

Therefore, wealthy men in the West, will never have their wives file for divorce on them, unless there is infidelity, right? 

[cc3]

This is a great topic to expose the BS'ers. Many innate prejudices and personality disorders are being displayed on this thread.