Newbie!

[tommyk]

Hey guys,

Just found this forum - wish I'd known about this place before! I've been using dating sites to meet girls from Ukraine for a few years now, mainly with pretty awful results! I even traveled to Kiev only for the 2 girls I planned to see suddenly have things come up where they weren't able to meet me when I arrived. Will be great to be able to share experiences and get advice here! 

[Boethius]

Welcome to the forum tommy.

[BillyB]

I've been using dating sites to meet girls from Ukraine for a few years now, mainly with pretty awful results! I

Will be great to be able to share experiences and get advice here! 

Welcome Tommy,

  It'll be great to hear your experience although it was awful. You can write a trip report, start a new thread or mention your experiences here. Do you think you used bad dating sites, did too much thinking with the little head, or failed to get to know the ladies better before you decided to visit?

[tommyk]

I'd be happy to do a trip report - how do I do that? I've been using Natasha Club pretty much exclusively, and after a while I started to get the impression that I wasn't actually speaking to the girls. One case in particular, I had been speaking to a girl on the site, then by email for months and months. I decided to look for her on vk, when I said hello, she told me she didn't know who I was. Somebody had just stolen her pics and was using them to get responses on the website!

I have had a few experiences like this. When I went to Kiev, one of the girls just decided to say that she had no idea that we were meeting despite weeks of planning with her beforehand. Then she made up stories about me harassing her - I never knew emails talking about our day at work and what we did at the weekend was harassment!! The other said her mother became ill the morning we were planning to meet, so I was left high and dry in Kiev, and suspicions started to mount. Although Natasha Club offered me no support whatsoever when I was in Kiev, they have refunded me credits where I have proven a girl has not been honest or isn't all she seems, so not 100% bad.

Currently though, I'm chatting with a lovely girl. We have spoken on Skype a number of times, so I at least know she is a real person!

[AnonMod]

Trip reports may be posted here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=6.0

[Patagonie]

It is time to change your dating strategy and drop this shit agency.
You should use a mix of fee dating sites + free dating sites + recommended and honest agencies (very few in fact). By using the search method you should be able to find all informations you need on this forum.


ML ?
May you give him your usual list ?

[ML]

It is time to change your dating strategy and drop this shit agency.
You should use a mix of fee dating sites + free dating sites + recommended and honest agencies (very few in fact). By using the search method you should be able to find all informations you need on this forum.


ML ?
May you give him your usual list ?

It is a 'sticky' at top of 'Starting Out' section.

[tommyk]

Yes I clocked that, thanks! So Natasha and Anastasia are both not places to be looking? I joined Anastasia for about 2 minutes before I realised it was purely about making money and not meeting people. I've had mixed experiences on Natasha.

Also, I know this is all stuff you have chatted to death about already so apologies. I'm trying to read through everything on the forum so I'm not repeating anything already said, but there are only so many hours in the day!

[Muzh]

Tommy:
 
Here's the skinny.
 
The majority of agancies will take you for a ride and most probably you will meet good time girls.
 
You would be better off trying one of two approaches. Or both. It is up to you.
 
One approach.
Talk to brokers who specialize in finding ladies with the same intent. There are quite a few in this forum and the other. There's Jack Bragg, Ed, Kevin (from Kherson Girls), Mila in Kharkov and I know I'm missing one or two. It will cost you, no question about it. However, consider this. They will definitely be cheaper than dealing with AWeb and other 'services' out there. Also, you are getting one-on-one service.
 
Another approach
D-I-Y. Plenty of free sites and social networks. This can be a little more intensive, but for the free spirit, it can be a hoot doing all the exploration and work. It can also save you some bucks. Who knows, you may end up living there for some time while you look for your lady, which is highly advisable.
 
Regardless, you have to do some work and the more info you have the better you'll be.
 
Bottom line, if you pay to communicate with a woman, be it via letters or skype, you are paying too much.

[calmissile]

Tommy:
 
Here's the skinny.
 
The majority of agancies will take you for a ride and most probably you will meet good time girls.
 
You would be better off trying one of two approaches. Or both. It is up to you.
 
One approach.
Talk to brokers who specialize in finding ladies with the same intent. There are quite a few in this forum and the other. There's Jack Bragg, Ed, Kevin (from Kherson Girls), Mila in Kharkov and I know I'm missing one or two. It will cost you, no question about it. However, consider this. They will definitely be cheaper than dealing with AWeb and other 'services' out there. Also, you are getting one-on-one service.
 
Another approach
D-I-Y. Plenty of free sites and social networks. This can be a little more intensive, but for the free spirit, it can be a hoot doing all the exploration and work. It can also save you some bucks. Who knows, you may end up living there for some time while you look for your lady, which is highly advisable.
 
Regardless, you have to do some work and the more info you have the better you'll be.
 
Bottom line, if you pay to communicate with a woman, be it via letters or skype, you are paying too much.

+1

[Turboguy]

Tommy, It is easy to waste time and money in a search.  when I first found this site I was doing a lot of things wrong and there is a lot of good information here.


If I had to pick one sentence as the best advice that I could give a newbie it would be to avoid any site where you pay by the letter.


There are some free sites and they are good.  I found with free sites I wasted a lot of time because so many people who will never make a trip like to live out their fantasies by writing to beautiful women they will never go meet.  These armchair romantics make it a bit tougher for those who are serious.


The two sites I used when I was searching were Elena's Models and FreePersonals.ru   I had good luck with both but really liked Elenas and I have heard more guys say they met their wife there than any other single site and maybe all the others put together.   There are other good sites however. 


When Muzh talks about brokers he wasn't real specific about what they do and they are different in their approaches.  I will elaborate on that part. 


One "Broker??" he talked about is Jack Bragg who operates as First Dream.   Jack does two tours a year where he takes about a dozen men to Ukraine and visits a dozen cities.  You can sign up for as many cities as you want.  I did 4 on my tour with Jack.  In each city there will be a party and in your free time Jack works with local agencies and you will be meeting other women.  There are some big agency tours that I would never recommend but Jack's are quite good and most everyone who has gone on one of his tours recommends them.  He also does a New Years party in Kiev.  www.FirstDream.com


Another "Broker??" he talks about is Eduard.  I have not used his services personally but there are a lot of happy customers.  Ed gives a very personalized service.  He contacts RW who are not usually in the MOB agency sites and does a lot of pre-screening for his customers.  He will also go with his customers to Russia or Ukraine and help translate and guide his customers.   I could be wrong about his web address but it is something like "getrussianwifenow.com   He is a good guy who will bend over backwards to help his customers.


Kevin, Kherson Girls my not be active in his business right now.  There seems to be a lady running it but they have a small agency in Kherson and know all their ladies and are a very good agency. 


Mila is a great lady who is more a translator a guide and would be a big help to anyone going to Kharkov.  I don't think she has an agency as such but probably knows a lot of single women there.  I have heard nothing but good about her.


There are a few more.  One other I would mention highly is a long trip but worth the effort and that would be Russian Pearls in Barnaul, RU.  My wife was a member there and speaks very highly of them.  I did meet my wife through Elenas however.

[Hammer2722]

Mila is a great lady who is more a translator a guide and would be a big help to anyone going to Kherson.  I don't think she has an agency as such but probably knows a lot of single women there.  I have heard nothing but good about her.

I think you meant Kharkov Turbo, right?

[tommyk]

Thanks for all the responses guys, has been a lot of help and certainly a lot of food for thought. I am in the (very long) process of setting up a business in Kiev with a friend currently, so I will be spending much more time there when things start happening.

The armchair romantics comment was very interesting - very expensive way to have a fantasy!

One thing I have been doing recently - when I find a girl I like and exchanging a few messages, I use her name and birthday to find her on VK. Both times I have tried this and said hello to the girls on VK, they have then messaged me straight away on the Natasha site asking if we can continue communication there. In fact, whenever I pay for an email address on Natasha, the girls suddenly seem to lose interest in talking to me. It just made me think perhaps they were getting a % of the money I am paying to open their letters, or somebody who is working for the company is just pretending to be these ladies. Would be interesting to find out exactly what happens behind the scenes!

[BillyB]

said hello to the girls on VK, they have then messaged me straight away on the Natasha site asking if we can continue communication there.

Those girls are getting a commission for every letter you pay for at the agency, that's why they don't want you messaging them for free on VK. If a woman really likes you, she wouldn't put up any barriers when you want to talk to her and she wouldn't allow you, her favorite man, to pay to talk to her.

[tommyk]

Yeah I started to realise something like that was going on. Recently, one of the girls I traveled to see just over a year ago (who told me she couldn't see me the day before we planned to meet) messaged me again on the website, as if we have never communicated before! I spent about 4 months exchanging multiple messages to her every day!

[Daveman]

The armchair romantics comment was very interesting - very expensive way to have a fantasy!

Actually, the point was about the free sites.  The free sites represent free fantasies for the armchair Romeo's.  SO, the ladies may be more cautious having had experiences with such guys, OR, you're actually in competition with them as you could be weeded out of her search in favor of a Free Fantasy writer 

[tommyk]

Ahhh I get you. My experience with free dating sites in the UK is pretty awful

[GQBlues]

Tommy:
 
Here's the skinny.
 
The majority of agancies will take you for a ride and most probably you will meet good time girls.
 
You would be better off trying one of two approaches. Or both. It is up to you.
 
One approach.
Talk to brokers who specialize in finding ladies with the same intent. There are quite a few in this forum and the other. There's Jack Bragg, Ed, Kevin (from Kherson Girls), Mila in Kharkov and I know I'm missing one or two. It will cost you, no question about it. However, consider this. They will definitely be cheaper than dealing with AWeb and other 'services' out there. Also, you are getting one-on-one service.
 
Another approach
D-I-Y. Plenty of free sites and social networks. This can be a little more intensive, but for the free spirit, it can be a hoot doing all the exploration and work. It can also save you some bucks. Who knows, you may end up living there for some time while you look for your lady, which is highly advisable.
 
Regardless, you have to do some work and the more info you have the better you'll be.
 
Bottom line, if you pay to communicate with a woman, be it via letters or skype, you are paying too much.

I will add to the above what I usually said before...if your persuasion is Slavic women, then the UK is one of the countries heavily populated with FSUW. Why search abroad when you can likely find one living close to you if you gave it as much effort searching as you do through the MOB.

[Faux Pas]

Ahhh I get you. My experience with free dating sites in the UK is pretty awful

And your batting average is pretty low. Somewhere around 0.0 Not all your fault but the results are the same. You do seem to be trying hard enough but falling prey to the nefarious. Read over Turboguy's post again. From your descriptions of writing and Skype, it sounds like Elena's Models might be something you'll be comfortable with right off the bat with. It is direct contact with women who are "mostly" interested in communicating with you. Ukrainedate is another that comes to mind. There are plenty of ways and places to communicate with like interested women. There are just landmines along the way you need to be weary of. You've already found two.

[Turboguy]

Actually, the point was about the free sites.  The free sites represent free fantasies for the armchair Romeo's.  SO, the ladies may be more cautious having had experiences with such guys, OR, you're actually in competition with them as you could be weeded out of her search in favor of a Free Fantasy writer 

I think part of the problem with it being free is the women can get overwhelmed.  I recall a few comments from some attractive ladies on FP that they had received 500+ responses in the first 24 hours their listing was posted.
Hammer, yes, I did mean Kharkov and have fixed it now.  Sorry my brain was still in Kherson when it should have traveled down the road to Kharkov.
 

[tommyk]

I will add to the above what I usually said before...if your persuasion is Slavic women, then the UK is one of the countries heavily populated with FSUW. Why search abroad when you can likely find one living close to you if you gave it as much effort searching as you do through the MOB.

Sorry I am trying to keep up with the lingo - what is MOB & FSUW?

[GQBlues]

Sorry I am trying to keep up with the lingo - what is MOB & FSUW?

The acronyms stand for 'Mail-Order-Bride' (International Marriage Industry) and Former Soviet Union women.
 
Found some sites for you. Are these any good?
 
http://www.russianhearts.co.uk/
http://www.happycouplematch.co.uk/
http://www.luckylovers.net/city_search/dating_women_London.php

[ML]

Sorry my brain was still in Kherson when it should have traveled down the road to Kharkov.

Actually it's 'up the road.'   

[Turboguy]

Actually it's 'up the road.'   

Not if you are holding the map upside down.
 

[ML]

Not if you are holding the map upside down.

Sorry, I didn't know you had relocated to Australia or NZ.