Russia ex-tycoon Boris Berezovsky found dead

[tfcrew]

Berezovsky's body taken for postmortem ..Results of the examination to be carried out at 1pm on Monday to determine the cause of the 67-year-old's death on Friday night or Saturday are expected to be announced by Thames Valley police late on Monday afternoon or in the early evening, a police spokesman said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/25/boris-berezovsky-body-taken-postmortem

[Patagonie]

I know why he commits suicide : he let too much money in Chyprius.

[tfcrew]

I know why he commits suicide : he let too much money in Chyprius.

Perhaps.....but 'suicide'? 
The timing with the meltdown in Cyprus may be more suspicious than anybody might think.
How many $billions and where does it all go now?

[ML]

Perhaps.....but 'suicide'? 
The timing with the meltdown in Cyprus may be more suspicious than anybody might think.
How many $billions and where does it all go now?

He promised me 1/10th of his money . . . but he didn't put it in writing.

[Muzh]

Putin wanted to bring criminal charges against Boris and wanted him extradited. Years ago, Boris said the Scotland Yard warned him about a plot on his life. Boris pumped hundreds of millions of dollars towards political opposition groups and accused Putin of bombing an apartment in Moscow. He considers Putin an enemy and I'm sure Putin thinks him the same. Spies exist and part of their job is assasinations. Boris is probably high on Putin's list. He's certainly done more damage to Putin than a few reporters that were executed.

Is this your latest intelligence report? From the National Enquirer?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[BillyB]

Is this your latest intelligence report? From the National Enquirer?

Here's an article from one of the alphabet news channels that says pretty much the same thing.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/03/russian-oligarch-boris-berezovskys-death-unexplained/

[Boethius]

Sure. The say he had компромат на Путина.

I didn't mean what the papers print, but rather, what is not printed but deciphered.

Well over a half decade, maybe a decade ago now, my husband told me that Russian diplomats were looking through Tsarist papers, as many of their diplomatic maneuvres mimicked those of a famous diplomat from Russian history.  Sure enough, a few years ago, that was admitted.  In fact, last year, Foreign Affairs wrote an article about it.  Now, one would need to be familiar with Russian history to know the diplomat and his own history to pick that up - I can't say I was familiar with it, until he told me about it, with the comment that it wouldn't work for them now (and the reasons why not).

Remember when the Moscow apartment bombings occurred, and immediately, there were calls for retribution in Chechnya, and an increased role for the FSB?  My husband told me that area of Moscow was not one in which a Chechen would pass by the babushkas unnoticed.  I knew then that the bomb was not the work of Chechens, and at the time, I assumed it was the work of the FSB.  I thought how ruthless they were, knowing that a retaliation would ignite Chechnya (based on the "blood feud" culture of Chechens), and that thousands would die needlessly, all so certain interests would gain power in Russia.  Doll, if I could figure that out, don't you think tens of thousands of Russians did as well?  The "revelations" now, alleging Berezovsky had some "proof" about the Moscow apartment bombings are child's play.  Plus, I doubt anyone who actually "knows where the bodies are buried" on this would talk.  They are all former KGB, now FSB, and their interests are not Berezovsky's interests.  I may have posted about that here in the past.  I know I posted at a now defunct forum discussing international affairs, as no one believed my post, other than a retired Swede who'd worked his entire life in the Middle East, and was used to things not being as they appeared.


Berezovsky, like a lot of oligarchs who fled, had a nostalgia for the Russia he left.  He wanted to return to Russia.  He gave a lot of money to both the Rose and Orange Revolutions, hoping he could land in either of those countries as an exile.  While both took his money, they did not accept him as an exile.  He approached Lykashenko as well, but was rebuffed.   It is no secret in Russia that Berezovsky had spoken to Putin for years, asking to return, and did so again recently.  Many oligarchs did so after paying part of what they stole back to the state.  For whatever reason, that did not pan out with Berezovsky.  He'd sought psychiatric help, allegedly for depression, in Israel.  He as someone who, ultimately, wanted to return to his language, his culture, the life he had before he stole billions and fled.

No, I don't believe he "had" anything on Putin, I think these are fairy tales.  And, please note, I am not suggesting Putin has "clean hands", just that I doubt there is anything Berezovsky "had" on him which would make any difference.

[Boethius]

Boethius, with all due respect, you seem to be inordinately defensive of the Russian government's positions in these highly suspicious deaths.

I, unlike the man to whom I am married, am a Ukrainian nationalist, though not one who hates Russia or Russians (many Ukrainian nationalists do hate Russians, BTW - you will see it in L'viv, until a Russian tourist flashes cash).  But, I live in reality.  Why would the Russian government care if some nobody in London was claiming something already well known by Western spy agencies:?  It defies logic. 

[Boethius]

I know why he commits suicide : he let too much money in Chyprius.

HAHA.  Most of those oligarchs stole that money, so it is a type of karma that it is, in essence, stolen from them.  Too bad the Russian people aren't benefitting.

[Boethius]

Breaking news is Berezovsky's death is consistent with hanging, with no evidence of violence although the pathologist will make further examination.

[BillyB]

 

No, I don't believe he "had" anything on Putin, I think these are fairy tales. 

The serious allegations made by Berezovsky , false or real, would piss anybody off.
 

Breaking news is Berezovsky's death is consistent with hanging, with no evidence of violence although the pathologist will make further examination.

Marks on Berezovky's neck was already documented without evidence of anything wrapped around his neck. The question is, if Berezovky hanged himself, how did he take off the noose and where did he discard it after he died?

[tfcrew]

The bathroom had been locked from the inside and a scarf is understood to have been found next to his body... This was the third suspicious death in the past five years to befall a businessman from the former USSR in the area. Less than 10 miles away, Russian supergrass Alexander Perepilichnyy died while jogging last year – his death remains unexplained – while 15 miles away, Berezovsky's former business partner, Badri Patarkatsishvili, died suddenly in 2008, sparking fevered speculation. A pathologist concluded that he died of heart disease...there were no signs of a violent struggle....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/26/boris-berezovsky-death-hanging

Breaking news is Berezovsky's death is consistent with hanging, with no evidence of violence although the pathologist will make further examination.

The process of a [hung by the neck] body is by it's nature 'violent'.
One tends to 'struggle' instinctively.
A bathroom door can become 'locked from the inside ' by locking the door exiting the room and then simply closing it like any other locking door.

[BillyB]

The process of a [hung by the neck] body is by it's nature 'violent'.
One tends to 'struggle' instinctively.
A bathroom door can become 'locked from the inside ' by locking the door exiting the room and then simply closing it like any other locking door.

Even if the UK authorities ruled it a suicide, many people won't believe it for good reason. Berezovsky already survived numerous assassination attempts. One bombing decapitated his driver. There's at least one person out there that wants Berezovsky dead.

[ML]

The question is, if Berezovky hanged himself, how did he take off the noose and where did he discard it after he died?

Billy, you know modern technology has produced all sorts of products.

I am sure there is a rope product that will shrivel up and disappear within 10 minutes of being removed from the sealed package.   

If not, then someone should invent it.

[Boethius]

I am sure there is a rope product that will shrivel up and disappear within 10 minutes of being removed from the sealed package.   

There is nothing in reports which indicate a noose was not found. 

[BillyB]

There is nothing in reports which indicate a noose was not found.

 Bottom line is that this is still a mystery to the cops because the item that hung or choked him isn't on his neck.

[Muzh]

I prefer the Ukrainian-style suicide: 3 shots to the chest and one to the head.

[Belvis]

Old joke about suicides:
Hotel receptionist tells a newcomer: "You know, only one room is left. Unfortunately one guy hanged himself yesterday with his tie on a door-knob. Will you take it?"
The guest agreed. Next day he was found dead in this room hanging on a  a door-knob. Investigation discovered  no evidence of violence. When third man has hanged himself  on that murderous knob a surveillance covert camera was installed in the room. After 4-th guest moved in the room the inspectors see the following scene. The man come to a door and fasten his tie to a knob with words: "How did they manage to do it? Impossible, it's just impossible."