AFA BUSTED RUNNING SEX TOURS

[fathertime]

Fathertime, we all have fantasized at one time or another.  But could you bang a girl too young for you who is sitting  on your lap because she is not well adjusted?  And you are experienced enough to know it?

Zon stated he COULD NOT IMAGINE, that statement excludes ALL sexual fantasies.  You could provide dozens of scenarios and it wouldn't matter, ZON can't imagine ANY without both  ''connection and passion'', which I think is horsecrap.  Of course "Connection" can be a rather loosely defined word, so I'll wait to see how he defines it for these purposes if he chooses to comment.  Heck maybe a connection  to him is simply that he was smiled at just the right way.

I never posted I was comparing Zon to my husband.  And yes, I do know what my husband thought when he was single, because I asked.  He does not lie, so I know exactly how his life was conducted before, and after me.

If you really feel you knew exactly how his life was before you met him and his inner thoughts then that is really special, but it sounds like fantasy-land.  I submit that that is not possible, but I don't want to comment much more because he is your man and you should give him the benefit of the doubt and think the very best of him if he has been good towards you. 


Fatheritme!   

[Boethius]

It is not fantasyland.  I am sorry you apparently do not have the depth in your relationship to know the difference. 

[fathertime]

It is not fantasyland.  I am sorry you apparently do not have the depth in your relationship to know the difference.

Yes I'm sure you know EVERY THOUGHT your man had before he met you.  I'm sure it helps that you are so sure of yourself, may God be with him,  if he had some random thought you weren't aware of somewhere along the line. 


Fathertime! 

[Gator]

It is getting late at night and I have an early golf match in the morning.  I have already said too much.
 
Boethius, I commend the adoration that you feel for your husband.  It is to a degree that I thought near impossible, yet you feel it.  I am sure your husband is a great man; reminds me of Jimmy Carter's impolitic remarks.
 
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/history/faculty/TROYWEB/Courseweb/JimmyCarterThePlayboyInterview.htm
 
As the New York Times editorialized then, "the erosion of the legitimate boundaries of [politicians'] private lives and intimate feelings had begun."  How prophetic!
 
I actually admire a man who admits to shooting his neighbor's cat.   Maybe I should show my photo with Carter.

[Anotherkiwi]

The double wide and even rented double wide might be possible.

But food stamps??

I thought there was some minimum income requirement; which would probably make ineligible for food stamps.

I know there was meant to be humor . . . but just wondering.

Sorry to seem so ignorant of what is presumably commonplace, but for those of us who do not live in the USA, what is a "double wide?"  I thought initially that you meant a king-size bed, but I doubt that anyone would rent those!
 
And I know I've asked this before, but I can't remember if I got an answer - what are "food stamps?"

[Voyager36]

Sorry to seem so ignorant of what is presumably commonplace, but for those of us who do not live in the USA, what is a "double wide?"  I thought initially that you meant a king-size bed, but I doubt that anyone would rent those!
 
And I know I've asked this before, but I can't remember if I got an answer - what are "food stamps?"

Hi Kiwi, "double wide" refers to a type of "Mobile Home", and the inference is that this belongs to a poorer, low-class person, who can't afford an actual constructed home. Mobile homes are often found grouped together in a low rent grouping known as a "Trailer Park", who's residents are commonly thought of as poor, ignorant & low-class. (As in the comedy "Trailer Park Boys")





Food stamps are coupons given to poor people by the government  in the US, to allow them to buy food.

[Turboguy]

Voyager did a nice job of explaining a double wide and posted a perfect photo.  I will add one more thing. 
The name double wide comes because when a mobile home is shipped it goes down the road and there are practical limits as to the width they can pull down a road.   So with a double wide the home is shipped in two halves, a right and left half and is fastened together when it is delivered.   Usually the limit to what can go down a road is about 15'.    So they will ship two parts that are perhaps 50' long and 15 feet wide, fastening them together to make a house that is 50 x 30'   Some call it manufactured housing and some call it a double wide.  They are often build on a foundation with a basement and some of the better ones are even hard to tell from a regular house.    Trailer parks tend to be more the older style single wide that are most often 12 -15 feet wide with a long hall on one side and the rooms on the other but trailer parks do include double wides as well.   I am sure there are some wonderful and classy people living in a trailer park but it is where the term "trailer trash" comes from.
 
 
 

[IAmZon]

Zon stated he COULD NOT IMAGINE, that statement excludes ALL sexual fantasies.  You could provide dozens of scenarios and it wouldn't matter, ZON can't imagine ANY without both  ''connection and passion'', which I think is horsecrap.  Of course "Connection" can be a rather loosely defined word, so I'll wait to see how he defines it for these purposes if he chooses to comment.  Heck maybe a connection  to him is simply that he was smiled at just the right way.

FT, Your fascination with me goes from one board to another.  It is not less strange here LOL

I say I COULD NOT IMAGINE ... in much the same way as perhaps a former cocaine user says "I could not imagine."   Is this precise enough for you?  More than that, my statement followed the proposition of a sex tour, where evidently a man pay for "all the sex he can handle without getting a heart attack."

Again, that does sound gratifying or "self enhancing" to me.  (But, neither does going "sports fishing" where the charter boat drives around a large netted area where the marlins are trapped).

You suggest my age has something to do with my comment?  Actually, it has to do with my experience. There was a time in the not so distant past that I imagined "getting lucky" meant getting laid; a time when a one night stand was a trophy.  My views on these subjects have changed now.  OH!  Don't worry ... I am no saint.  I just see the sexual exchange in a very different light nowadays.

I have largely passed on the idea of being "beta".  I tried it (a little). It did not work well for me.  That is a younger man's game; or a person with less experiences; or a person with very specific and different life goals than myself.

And, it is true, I have crafted business interests for myself from my interests, which does include erotica.  So, I have no problem finding attractive and exciting women that value me for many reasons - and vice verca.  Do any of these meetings, dates, or love affairs have the makings of marriage?  Doubtful.  But, without children is marriage necessary in the first place? 

INTERESTINGLY, I am working on a project now that covers the area of "Sugar Dating"   Not exactly dating.  Not exactly escorts. It is VERY discriminating, actually.  The women are picky, as are the men.   It is a more brutally honest and accelerated dating where two people enter with expectations and presumptions.  I entered the project with negative assumptions, but I have had to open my eyes.  Many of these relationship turn into more - often marriage!   There are many many similarities that sugar dating has with international marriage IMO.   


So, getting back to the main point of this thread.  Name Calling; Witch hunting ... anything that attempts to divide and accuse is a difficulty, because the human heart is complicated.  And, people - men and women - change. 

[Hammer2722]

[size=78%]So, getting back to the main point of this thread.  Name Calling; Witch hunting ... anything that attempts to divide and accuse is a difficulty, because the human heart is complicated.  And, people - men and women - change. [/size]

Name calling is not the point of this thread. It seems you have chosen to re-direct the topic to your own purposes. The topic is about AFA remember? 

[IAmZon]

Name calling is not the point of this thread. It seems you have chosen to re-direct the topic to your own purposes. The topic is about AFA remember?

"AFA Busted Running Sex Tours"   And then offering a video from a disgruntled employee as "proof" is not name calling?   

[fathertime]

FT, Your fascination with me goes from one board to another.  It is not less strange here LOL [size=78%]  [/size]

Remember YOU were the one who privately invited me over here.  At the time I barely knew this place existed.  Now you complain because I am taking part in discussions? You wouldn't be complaining if I nodded and agreed with your misrepresentations.

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[/size]You suggest my age has something to do with my comment?  Actually, it has to do with my experience. There was a time in the not so distant past that I imagined "getting lucky" meant getting laid; a time when a one night stand was a trophy.  My views on these subjects have changed now.  OH!  Don't worry ... I am no saint.  I just see the sexual exchange in a very different light nowadays.[size=78%]
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Really not too long ago?? I don’t recall ever thinking like this but if I did I must have stopped thinking about sexual trophies when I was about 19 not in my late 40’s  I mean what does a man in his 40’s do with these ‘sexual trophies’ anyway?  Pound his chest, show pictures/vidoes, to some other old guy about how great he is?

FT, Your fascination with me goes from one board to another.  It is not less strange here LOL I say I COULD NOT IMAGINE ... in much the same way as perhaps a former cocaine user says "I could not imagine."   Is this precise enough for you?  More than that, my statement followed the proposition of a sex tour, where evidently a man pay for "all the sex he can handle without getting a heart attack.

Always the politician you are. Your distancing statements are pretty funny actually. “EVIDENTLY” as if you aren’t completely aware of what is occurring or completely unfamiliar with this sort of exchange, after the businesses you have CLAIMED to be associated with. 

So we have one pornographer who claims he can’t even IMAGINE a sexual fantasy unless he has both a connection and passion and another woman who claims she knows every thought her man has EVER had….Sometimes those that try to distance themselves from MOB stereotypes like AFA are about as weird as the group they are trying so hard to distance themselves from. I'm not going to judge though, just making observations. Generally speaking, I think men/women should be given a break for transgressions or escapades, especially if they come clean and aren't trying to act big. 

Now Zon I can agree with some of the stuff you say, just don’t piss on peoples pantlegs and tell them it is raining warm liquid gold from the heavens.
Fathertime! 

[Hammer2722]

"AFA Busted Running Sex Tours"   And then offering a video from a disgruntled employee as "proof" is not name calling?

Perhaps this upsets you because you have a vested business interest in this (ie Columbia) ??? If you'd watched the videos you would see he is not a disgruntled employee but a former consultant who tried to make recommendations to improve their business but became disgusted with fact they weren't looking to run an honest business. 

[IAmZon]

Perhaps this upsets you because you have a vested business interest in this (ie Columbia) ??? If you'd watched the videos you would see he is not a disgruntled employee but a former consultant who tried to make recommendations to improve their business but became disgusted with fact they weren't looking to run an honest business

Oh! I am not upset. I am no particular fan of AFA - or their clients for that matter.

"honest business" "honest girls" "sincere men" = all these things should be warning signs.  Places like Colombia and Ukraine are DIFFERENT. Most men will never go.   Many who go are not serious, or will fail in whatever their objective may be.   Most of the women are killing time, or hoping to get lucky. 

ALL A GUY CAN HOPE FOR IS A CHANCE ... after than everything depends on the man, and the human behavior of two people.  Regardless of all the psychological baggage and history the two people bring into the relationship.

[Ooooops]

 
Confession time. 

Quite a story...   I wonder what category gang bang booty call falls under? 

[Anotherkiwi]

Hi Kiwi, "double wide" refers to a type of "Mobile Home", and the inference is that this belongs to a poorer, low-class person, who can't afford an actual constructed home. Mobile homes are often found grouped together in a low rent grouping known as a "Trailer Park", who's residents are commonly thought of as poor, ignorant & low-class. (As in the comedy "Trailer Park Boys")

Thanks for the explanations.  For us, the Trailer Park would be a "Caravan Park," but the majority of people there would live in towable caravans (average 5-7 metres long), small purpose-built permanent cabins or, in some cases, converted railway carriages.  Only a handful in the entire country would live in RVs, because we have hardly any Winnebago-type vehicles in New Zealand (many of our back-country roads are just too narrow and winding for a non-articulated vehicle of that size).  I don't know if we have any equivalent of your single or double-wide.

Food stamps are coupons given to poor people by the government  in the US, to allow them to buy food.

Our welfare system does everything through people's bank accounts.  Those who are entitled to extra assistance (for example, because of family size) simply receive the additional allowances as a direct credit.  We do have food banks in certain areas, which are unfortunately distributing more and more as the number of people in need increases.
 

Voyager did a nice job of explaining a double wide and posted a perfect photo.  I will add one more thing. 
The name double wide comes because when a mobile home is shipped it goes down the road and there are practical limits as to the width they can pull down a road.   So with a double wide the home is shipped in two halves, a right and left half and is fastened together when it is delivered.   Usually the limit to what can go down a road is about 15'.    So they will ship two parts that are perhaps 50' long and 15 feet wide, fastening them together to make a house that is 50 x 30'   Some call it manufactured housing and some call it a double wide.  They are often build on a foundation with a basement and some of the better ones are even hard to tell from a regular house.    Trailer parks tend to be more the older style single wide that are most often 12 -15 feet wide with a long hall on one side and the rooms on the other but trailer parks do include double wides as well.   I am sure there are some wonderful and classy people living in a trailer park but it is where the term "trailer trash" comes from.

Thanks for the additional info.

[Turboguy]

You are welcome.   Your caravan park would be a "campground" for us.   Some rent out camping spots by the night and some are more a year round place to have a camper and enjoy the outdoors.   The by the night ones may have an RV, parked there, or a camping trailer which can be somewhere between 3 and 10 meters and some of the smaller ones fold up or collapse to make them easier to tow behind a car or pick up.   Some spots people are in may be tents as well. 

[Gator]

Thanks for the explanations.  For us, the Trailer Park would be a "Caravan Park," but the majority of people there would live in towable caravans (average 5-7 metres long), small purpose-built permanent cabins or, in some cases, converted railway carriages.  Only a handful in the entire country would live in RVs, because we have hardly any Winnebago-type vehicles in New Zealand (many of our back-country roads are just too narrow and winding for a non-articulated vehicle of that size).

 
 
For a reason I find unfathomable, American Winnebago-types have become supersized.  Check this one, $400,000 list (the RV dealer is a member of my golf club).
 
http://lazydays.com/rvs/inventory/American+Coach/Revolution/1016461
 
$400,000 would buy many nights at a hotel and air flights.   I wonder if the fuel required to drive these plus the maintenance would be more than the airfare.
 
Decades ago I spent 5 weeks backpacking around Europe.  Along the way I met many Ozzies and maybe a Kiwi who had rented caravans and were taking 6-12 months off work to motor around Europe.   They said Oz is so far away from Europe that this is a common way of traveling. 
 
The caravans were very small as virtually the entire floor was converted to a bed at night.  They were not soundproof, and boinking in these with other caravans parked within a few meters was an unique experience.
 
 
 

I don't know if we have any equivalent of your single or double-wide.

Something close is called "modular homes," which is merely manufactured housing (aka prefabricated housing or doublewides) without a wheeled chassis.

[mendeleyev]

I can't imagine the attraction / desire to have sex with a person without a connection and passion.  Seems like a very poor substitute for masturbation to me.   There must be a sense of self attainment even in casual sex IMO, and that must be mutual between the two having sex - not one, or the other. Maybe I am just old fashioned.

Zon, I'm neither sure of who you are or what business you're in but I agree completely with your statement about connections and passion. I've also been called all manner of names for daring to think differently than the sheeple. Two dogs can "do it" but that doesn't mean that I can do the same without an intense connection and commitment to/from the other person.

A few days ago Mrs M and I were laughing because in a particular situation she already knew what I was thinking. That kind of connection doesn't happen in a gang bang or "friends with benefits" kind of relationship. She knows me inside out and that makes me feel so special (usually) that I try to know and understand her in much the same way although we men don't always keep up. It also heats up the intimate part of a committed relationship to levels I'm not certain that casual relationships can experience.

[Ranetka]

Zon, I'm neither sure of who you are or what business you're in

Mendy, FYI Zon is in porn business.

[mendeleyev]

Yikes, thanks Ranetka. That side of sex is certainly not my cup of tea.

As to the potential beauty of committed relationships, there is an interesting article in New Oxygen titled "White Flowers" at this link: http://new-oxygen.ru/articles/dom_i_semya/4272/?aid=2280

(Sorry that it is only in Russian language.)

[IAmZon]

Yikes, thanks Ranetka. That side of sex is certainly not my cup of tea.

Can we please call it the "Adult Entertainment Industry"?   And, is it totally impossible to consider all this as adults, without the conjuring up images of lowest common denominators ...

I do not make fun of people who like (and only know) the missionary position.  In life, I think there is room for different flavors - strawberry - chocolate.  PROVIDING, of course, that nobody is being injured, or doing something they don't want to do.   One of my primary roles in the adult industry is to encourage proven methods that are Safe and Legal. 
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There is the presumption in all these comments that men are without ethics (and standards); barbarians that TAKE sex from women, as a starved animal eats flesh.  This is not the world I have found, or would want to know.

[Ranetka]

Can we please call it the "Adult Entertainment Industry"?   

I thought you were against politically correct language? Porn is porn, no?

[fathertime]

Can we please call it the "Adult Entertainment Industry"?   And, is it totally impossible to consider all this as adults, without the conjuring up images of lowest common denominators ...

I do not make fun of people who like (and only know) the missionary position.  In life, I think there is room for different flavors - strawberry - chocolate.  PROVIDING, of course, that nobody is being injured, or doing something they don't want to do.   One of my primary roles in the adult industry is to encourage proven methods that are Safe and Legal. 
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There is the presumption in all these comments that men are without ethics (and standards); barbarians that TAKE sex from women, as a starved animal eats flesh.  This is not the world I have found, or would want to know.

There is another forum related to this board for men seeking Latina, or Asian brides, on that forum it was flushed out that Zon CLAIMS to have been involved in a LOT more than pornography in Spanish speaking countries.  He can call it adult industry or whatever, but the bottom line is it involved cash for sex, much like the AFA allegation that is now floating around.

  Frankly one of the ugliest and most controversial parts is does anybody REALLY know the age of the young female participants?   Forgeries are easy to make in the USA, and in Latin America, Ukraine…pffft.   I could give AFA and him the benefit of the doubt on that accusation, but definitely not exonerate them if something comes up later.  That is why it is completely laughable that Zon now portrays himself a distanced outraged outsider that dirty men could participate in such paid for sex activities, instead of his preferred masterbational method of self-satisfaction.  Hypocrisy at it’s finest. I could provide a link of the forum conversation, but I prefer to leave it alone, unless zon wants to deny the conversation exists.     

Personally I’m ambivalent on the subject.  If an adult man wants to buy sex from an adult woman, and she accepts, that is their decision.  I would hold that it is a fair exchange, the man is desperate for sex with an attractive woman, and the woman is desperate for money.  They both sacrifice something to get what they want.   

Fathertime! 

[jone]

Hi Kiwi, "double wide" refers to a type of "Mobile Home", and the inference is that this belongs to a poorer, low-class person, who can't afford an actual constructed home. Mobile homes are often found grouped together in a low rent grouping known as a "Trailer Park", who's residents are commonly thought of as poor, ignorant & low-class. (As in the comedy "Trailer Park Boys")





Food stamps are coupons given to poor people by the government  in the US, to allow them to buy food.

Moderators, it is improper to post pictures of people's domiciles on this forum.  Can you please take the picture down of my home?

[IAmZon]

There is another forum related to this board for men seeking Latina, or Asian brides, on that forum it was flushed out that Zon CLAIMS to have been involved in a LOT more than pornography in Spanish speaking countries.  He can call it adult industry or whatever, but the bottom line is it involved cash for sex, much like the AFA allegation that is now floating around.

Personally I’m ambivalent on the subject. 

HAHA So, Now AFA and Me are "guilty" of Sex Tours - LOL If you ever met me (something I very much doubt would ever happen) you may understand that I would never be the guy collecting $20's outside a third world brothel.

If you were ambivalent (let us forget accurate, or prudent!), you would not suggest that I was involved in "cash for sex."  Because that is 1) illegal and 2) untrue.   AH! here we are again, a breath away from suggestions of underage and human trafficking.  Do you see how the courts of Salem must have started?

It is a strange inward fascination.  I doubt anybody really counts the cars on the highway and wonders how many inside had sex over the last 24 hours.  However, apply that same scenario to a marriage tour, or even a plane full of American departing in the Medellin or Kiev airport ... and you can feel the suspicion.

It is all a sexual hang up is it not?  A misplacement of Victorian manners?   Or, perhaps chivalry run amok - a desire for men to cry foul at any suggestion that a woman has been abused.  I see the same thing happening when a child is harshly disciplined in the USA ... a child is spanked and the crowds gasp and people look at each other as if to ask, who is going to call the police.

If an adult man wants to buy sex from an adult woman, and she accepts, that is their decision.  I would hold that it is a fair exchange, the man is desperate for sex with an attractive woman, and the woman is desperate for money.  They both sacrifice something to get what they want.   

These may be YOUR ideas, but such ideas are not lawful.   So, be careful FT. I would hate for something bad to happen to you.