Ukrainian middle names?

[lonedrake]

but is what Faux just said really necessary?

 Absolutely not! But, none of the "good" advice was necessary either.


 You act like you found this woman by accident and have no idea what any of the costs are. This is what you wrote in November 2011.

I do not take the prospect of a Russian bride lightly, and am dead serious about finding one. I have done a ridiculous amount of research and reading in the last several years on the subject.

[Keyser Soze]

I agree.

Back then I decided that I was going to turn a want into a reality. Or start to. That's what brought me here.
I came here initially to get advice, info, learn what I could and maybe get a little encouragement in the process as for the most part, I am alone in all of this.
Didn't last too long. Too many internet warriors. I basically got chased away from here, and from the whole idea in general.
So without going into too much detail(bad idea here) During my more or less holding pattern, I pretty much found her by accident, or at the very least, when I wasn't really looking.

I'm not stupid. I know what it costs. I am prepared for that. The only question is when.

Bottom line is, I'm going to do what I want, how I want to do it. I welcome advice, or constructive criticism. Help, or encouragement, but not outright attacks.
In the latter, it's my fault for taking the bait.

So.....

I declare the bulk of this whole thread
 

It's supposed to be about middle names, not how anyone knows everything, or how big your wallet, or anything else is. I'm done defending myself, explaining myself or taking internet warrior's bait.

Let's move on.

[Boethius]

I don't think posters here, or in the past, are "internet warriors".  I think they are trying to point you to the realities of cross cultural relationships.

If you have not met your UW face to face, you cannot know if she is the one for you.  She may be, but, once you meet, you may have no physical attraction to one another.  That has been described here, many times, in the past, as has the opposite. 

It is very unlikely that you will have the option of living with this UW common law in the U.S.  So, what other realistic options are you pursuing to be together? 
 
 
 

[Faux Pas]

There are other forums where you can go, post your lovelorn musings, fantasies and they will line up to pat you on the back and declare what a good fella you are. I suggest you try them if you need ego massage or encouragement. The majority of members on this forum tend to deal with realities rather than the fantasies. The bullshit meters ring off 5 alarm style when bullshit is present

[GQBlues]

Yeah but...*internet warriors* is a bit of a stretch    There hasn't been a warrior here since Columbus got lost in the Americas.

[Shadow]

If you are so sensitive that comments on an internet forum can make you give up the idea, you will certainly put things out of your head when you meet the challenges of real life.
I know that many of the outspoken posters here will tell you exactly the same to your face as they post. That is one reason they look for FSUW: the directness of telling what they think.

[Anotherkiwi]

I agree with you that this thread has developed very much into an    with regard to your original query.  However, the way you have responded means that I have no choice but to do likewise (and this is NOT    in cheek).
 
 

....If you must know, the original plan was to have her come here first to check out America and see if it was somewhere that she would consider leaving her whole life behind for. Remember, she's not an agency girl looking for a ticket out. She wasn't looking for a WM. It just so happened to end up that way.
She got her passport, and we began looking into what it would take to get her here. The agreement was one of us would pay for one way, the other would pay the other.

That looks great - no argument from me.

Then we came across the diversity visa thing. She jumped through the hoops in order to make that happen. We had discussed a trip in the meantime, but we both decided to wait until there is some sort of the word on the diversity visa until we make further plans. If it doesn't work out with the visa, I go there. That's the plan. It's more expense, and dicking around, but that's the plan.

Also.....If she comes here on a diversity visa, we don't HAVE to get married within 90 days. We can still live together without the financial penalty.....until the kids turn 18 then we can get married all we want.
If the diversity doesn't come through, like I said, we go to plan B. Then there's also the question of what to do with the kids if and when I go there on plan B, and we'll figure it out.

Obviously I have no idea how the Diversity Visa works, but several others have made the comment, which you've agreed with, that the chances of it happening are about as remote as winning some huge casino payout.  I would have thought, therefore, that your Plan B should realistically be your Plan A.

You're right, I don't have a lot of money, but I didn't go through an agency either. I didn't have to. I don't know how things are in Australia, or New Zealand, or wherever the hell you are from, but the economy here in the States is in the toilet. One is best served to not spend recklessly. I work hard for what I have, and I'm not going to just blow what I have on a hope and a prayer. Much less on a whim.

Not only is that ignorant, it's totally uncalled for.  Even if you can't tell the flags apart, like so many from your part of the world, all you have to do is hover the mouse over the flag and up pops "New Zealand."  Nobody on here, least of all me, recommends "spending recklessly" or "blowing what you have."  Nor is anyone suggesting that taking a trip to see the woman who you hope is the love of your life should be done on a whim.
 

My guess is it's also a pile cheaper, quicker, and easier to get to the FSU in any way shape or form, from where you are than where I am. Quickest flight for me is 16 hours, by plane. Then 5 hours by train, or 8 hours by bus or car to where she is. Not to mention the 4 hours it takes to drive to an international airport before I even hop a plane. That's at least an entire day and then some lost both days in travel alone. A 7 day trip just turned to a 4-5 or less.

More ignorance - look at the map!  Unlike you, I have to travel half-way around the world.  If I'm going to Ukraine, I have to take three flights - first through Bangkok, Singapore or Hong Kong to Moscow, then another flight to Kyiv; alternatively through Australia to Dubai and on to Kyiv.  I'm lucky in that I live only 20 minutes from Auckland Airport, but whichever way I take is a minimum of 30 hours' travelling.  It's not like we can get non-stop flights directly from our country to Ukraine or Russia, which YOU can! 

I can't just drop everything and take off whenever I feel like it either. I don't have that luxury, and I'm a little too responsible for that to begin with.

In that respect, we are very much alike.

I wish I was made of money like some of you jokers, but unfortunately I'm not. I'd love to take half a dozen trips just for the sake of doing it. Maybe go on a hairpie holiday a couple of times a year just because I can, but I don't need to. That's not me anyway.

I'm not made of money either - I don't have a thousandth of what some posters here have as their spare change.  What I DO have, however, is enough to take a trip if I need to.  Don't get all defensive because you're misinterpreting what you think I mean.  I'm simply saying that you should have met her by now, if only to confirm that you'll be able to live in a state of connubial bliss for the rest of your life.  Surely you can see that it would make sense to confirm as soon as possible that what the two of you feel over the internet is what will be the reality when you finally meet.
 

I don't NEED to go trolling or skirt chasing. I've already found what I'm searching for. I didn't go through a catalog. I'm not desperate and I'm a pretty patient individual. There is no huge rush to go off half cocked and get married to the first pretty girl that pays attention to me because I'm afraid if I don't she'll run off with someone else better, because it's not going to happen.
She's awesome, and I'd probably marry her in a heartbeat, but I'm not going to rush into anything either.

Nobody has suggested any such thing, and nobody ever WOULD suggest marriage in such a case.


 

I swear, some of you clowns look at this whole deal like buying a car. Uh oh.....better hurry up and go take a test drive on the latest model and put my money down before someone else snaps it up. It's shameful.....and it's EXACTLY why WM get a bad rap with the locals, and people still think that we buy these women.

If I had the same way of thinking, I wouldn't even screw around with going to the FSU. I'd just go straight to Turkey and pick one as they get off the boat from Odessa.....SMH.

Don't put words into people's mouths.  I think that there are only a couple (other than myself) who have commented in this thread who are not already happily married to a woman from the FSU.  I can't see those married ones wanting their dearly beloved other half to be described in those terms.

[mies]

Wow

The pink elephant in the corner of this room just got about 10 times bigger.   

I don't know this saying. What does it mean?

[mies]

Mies-

I fully understand everything regarding the DV, and am not holding my breath for her to either be selected, or, if she is, to be allowed to come. The financial aspect of it is somewhat mitigated because she has somewhere to go when she gets here.

And in which form she will present the proof of it to the US Consulate in Kiev? Are you going to write the letter that you will be her sponsor? Her word "I'll live with my boyfriend" won't suffice.
If she is financially independent to the point that it will suffice for coming to USA on the diversity visa program, then she should have no problem in obtaining a tourist visa either. She is a single mom, her kid stays behind in Ukraine, she is rich, owns real estate, has high-paying job. It should be easy for her to get tourist visa.   

[Vaughn]

I came here initially to get advice, info, learn what I could and maybe get a little encouragement in the process as for the most part, I am alone in all of this.

I'm not stupid. I know what it costs. I am prepared for that. The only question is when.

Keyser, I encourage you to get creative about maximizing your available time off, like combining any vacation days with things like already-scheduled days off, a holiday weekend, personal time, perhaps even allowable leave without pay. Accept the travel time as just another cost - save for the fare, and get yourself over there to meet her.

[Faux Pas]

I don't know this saying. What does it mean?

It generally refers to when there is an obvious subject that is being ignored and not discussed

[mies]

It generally refers to when there is an obvious subject that is being ignored and not discussed

Thank you

[Keyser Soze]

I don't know this saying. What does it mean?

Actually, the correct term is White Elephant.

A "pink elephant" is a euphemism for an intoxicated hallucination.


Vin hovorytʹ pro sebe v pidpys. 

[Anotherkiwi]

Actually, the correct term is White Elephant.

A "pink elephant" is a euphemism for an intoxicated hallucination.


Vin hovorytʹ pro sebe v pidpys. 

While I'll agree with you about the Pink Elephant, you're wrong about the white one.  A "White Elephant" is something which is completely out of place in its setting - for example, a huge piece of ultra-modern art or furniture in a small bedroom.  This is the sort of stuff which gets sold (hopefully) at White Elephant sales.

[Keyser Soze]

While I'll agree with you about the Pink Elephant, you're wrong about the white one.  A "White Elephant" is something which is completely out of place in its setting - for example, a huge piece of ultra-modern art or furniture in a small bedroom.  This is the sort of stuff which gets sold (hopefully) at White Elephant sales.

Like this?
http://www.santalady.com/xmasgame/whiteelephant.html

I've heard of people doing this at Christmas.


This is what I think of when I hear White Elephant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/white+elephant

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/white+elephant

[Fashionista]

Keyser, international dating is the same as local dating except that you have to fly across the world to spend some time in a restaurant together. Did I understand it correctly that you haven't really met in person the love of your life? Making these huge plans is not something you should do.

[Ranetka]

Why do you pleople here waste your time?
 
The OP talks to the girl for a year, declares undying increadible love of his life while making no realistic plans to meet. Every way other people are meeting up is impossible, oh so many obsticles...
 
He's just a Keyboard Romer and a time waster.

[Fashionista]

Why do you please here waste your time?

Because that's what internet forums are for 

[Ranetka]

Because that's what internet forums are for 

I forgot lol

[GQBlues]

Well if nothing else, at least it came to my attention Another Kiwi still uses a pager.

[Faux Pas]

Actually, the correct term is White Elephant.

A "pink elephant" is a euphemism for an intoxicated hallucination.


Vin hovorytʹ pro sebe v pidpys. 

And the denial continues 

[ML]

He's just a Keyboard Romer and a time waster.

Now that we are discussing the various colors of elephants;
just what is a 'Keyboard Romer?'   

On an only slightly related note:

I was once at a party where a fortune teller, palm reader, tea reader, etc., was invited for fun.

It was known to a few people (but not her husband) that a certain married woman had had affairs with a few different men.

The palm reader looked at her hand, told  some things,  and then also said:  Have you been to Italy; I keep seeing Roman in your signs.

The woman quickly withdrew her hand and moved to the far end of the room for the remainder of evening.

So . . . sometimes . . .

[Ranetka]

Now that we are discussing the various colors of elephants;
just what is a 'Keyboard Romer?'   

 .

Typo!


There was one more that have now been corrected.




Let's see




Talk to someone for a long time ....check
Madly in love before a meeting ...check
No realistic plans to meet ....check
Talks about being together someday, sometime in a distant future ...check
Life is full of obstacles preventing him from being with the love of his life ...check


Keyboard Romeo detected!


 

[Anotherkiwi]

Well if nothing else, at least it came to my attention Another Kiwi still uses a pager.

Where did you get that from?     Never have and, in my current line of work, never will.

[GQBlues]

Where did you get that from?     Never have and, in my current line of work, never will.

From someone who apparently spotted you with a 'green' elephant. Personally, I'm more the 'blue' elephant kind'a guy myself.